Duff McKagan 'On the Record' - Video

[kaasupoltin]

Ok so it's pretty clear that you just don't get my point and don't know a shit about my philosophy. And it puts this conversation a great end

[lynn1961]

^ I don't see where you read that. That's Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven first and then Axl, Slash, Gilby, Duff and Matt.

So he says they were really, really young and omits Dizzy?


Gilby and Matt didn't record four albums with GN'R and neither did Steven.....


It seems like he's talking of the AFD line up and the rise to fame, but then mentions the four albums which weren't recorded by that line up.



Anyway, seems like Duff has to play nice to keep his band members happy.





/jarmo

He didn't say recorded - he said created.  

[jarmo]

Ok so it's pretty clear that you just don't get my point and don't know a shit about my philosophy. And it puts this conversation a great end

I get it.

I'm not allowed to comment on former members because I don't think VR were the greatest rock band on earth and I said so.

He didn't say recorded - he said created.  

Still, the same five guys didn't create all those four albums.

And they weren't really, really young all those years.

Or?

Matt Sorum was 29 when he joined GN'R.



/jarmo

[kaasupoltin]

Ok so it's pretty clear that you just don't get my point and don't know a shit about my philosophy. And it puts this conversation a great end

I get it.

I'm not allowed to comment on former members because I don't think VR were the greatest rock band on earth and I said so.

No, you really didn't get it and that just proves it

And btw, I agree with that comment on VR.

[jarmo]

No, you really didn't get it and that just proves it

Yeah, it's all fun to make accusations but when asked for proof, it's "OMG ROTFL LOLZ!11!!!!!"




I just don't agree that a certain book is "setting the record straight", I don't think it's very cool that people bashing GN'R are also reaping the benefits of being in the band etc.

I guess you think that's bashing.



I didn't say a bad word about Duff or Matt in this thread. Yet I'm "bashing".

I merely commented on the fact that Duff thinks Matt is up there with Keith and John. Something I disagree with and some of you seem to agree on.

Yet I'm the one "bashing former members".


I pointed out that to me it looks like Duff is talking about the AFD line-up (since he mentions five guys being young), which means Matt isn't in the picture and then goes on talking about four records... A bit confusing. I guess it's bashing!






/jarmo

[kaasupoltin]

So just forget it and what I said 'cause I don't have the need to try to make my point clear, 'cause as I said you didn't get it. So that's it Peace out!

[GypsySoul]

So just forget it and what I said 'cause I don't have the need to try to make my point clear, 'cause as I said you didn't get it. So that's it Peace out!

so you were just being a troll?

[kaasupoltin]

So just forget it and what I said 'cause I don't have the need to try to make my point clear, 'cause as I said you didn't get it. So that's it Peace out!

so you were just being a troll?

No.. ooooh for heaven's sake. I just mean that I don't want to fight about a stupid thing like this 'cause it's no good and there's no need to.

[Genesis]

^ I don't see where you read that. That's Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven first and then Axl, Slash, Gilby, Duff and Matt.

So he says they were really, really young and omits Dizzy?

Dizzy was hardly a core member at the time. He was hired to play keyboards live and he didn't contribute to any of the albums. I don't see why Duff would mention him.

Anyway, seems like Duff has to play nice to keep his band members happy.

That's what I would think, yes.

[D]

Dont really see the big deal

I think everyone knows that drummers for the most part are the easiest member to replace in a band. There are very very few drummers that cant be replaced

Moon,Bonham, Lee,Ulrich,Grohl.................. Don Henley cause he was the fuckin singer

[Genesis]

Moon,Bonham, Lee,Ulrich,Grohl.................. Don Henley cause he was the fuckin singer

You can add Neil Peart and Mike Portnoy to that list.

[CheapJon]

Dont really see the big deal

I think everyone knows that drummers for the most part are the easiest member to replace in a band. There are very very few drummers that cant be replaced

Moon,Bonham, Lee,Ulrich,Grohl.................. Don Henley cause he was the fuckin singer

a great drummer is as important to the band as a great guitarplayer, a good singer, bassist and guitarist has a shitty band if the drummer's shitty, only reason it's easier to replace them is because they don't get as much attention as the rest of the band

[lynn1961]

Ok so it's pretty clear that you just don't get my point and don't know a shit about my philosophy. And it puts this conversation a great end

I get it.

I'm not allowed to comment on former members because I don't think VR were the greatest rock band on earth and I said so.

He didn't say recorded - he said created.  

Still, the same five guys didn't create all those four albums.

And they weren't really, really young all those years.

Or?

Matt Sorum was 29 when he joined GN'R.



/jarmo

Ok, since we're going to "nitpick" about one statement in that entire interview......

I disagree.  I've always been under the impression that those first 4 albums were mostly written and created by the 5 guys Duff was probably referring to, plus West.  Even including the songs on UYI, because a couple members came in, after the fact.  But, the songs were written & pretty much created - some of them years before UYI. 

And as for really, really young....I think late teens/early twenties is really, really young - but, then again, I'm 46.  As for Matt being 29 or whatever when he joined, he wasn't referring to Matt - that was later. 

I think he was just making a comment in reference to what probably are his best memories of being in that band and what it was about for him. 

Why pick it apart?

As for the statement he made about drummer and Sorum - I have no comment.

Anyway, anyone else checked out nutsie?   
   

[Bodhi]

^ I don't see where you read that. That's Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven first and then Axl, Slash, Gilby, Duff and Matt.

So he says they were really, really young and omits Dizzy?


Gilby and Matt didn't record four albums with GN'R and neither did Steven.....







/jarmo

He mentioned the FIVE guys who CREATED those 4 records....I hate giving Steven Adler credit on anything, and I wont here, but I will say those records were created before Sorum came around..and EVERYONE omits Dizzy...which is really puzzling to me...Dizzy has been in the band longer than anyone except Axl ,and VH1's "Behind the Music" did not even mention his name once in that entire show,.not to mention Slash kind of referred to Dizzy being on the same level as Teddy..."just a touring musician" in his autobiography if I remember correctly..

[lynn1961]

Because he is a touring musician.  I don't really believe he ever helped create anything in GnR.  He plays. 

[jazjme]

PEople for get that Dizzy was asked to join the band back during AFD days, but he fucked upped his   hand... that being off topic, Duff intentions are in business, and end of the day in that interview, nuTzie is something he is championing, I see no relevance to who he things is best guitar player or drummer, I expected nothing less from his comments. And I agree with jarmo when he stated the 5 guys... he was talking about the AFD days. not a whole lot to infer really.

[jarmo]

Why pick it apart?

Puts the Matt mention in perspective.

First it's like he wasn't an integral part of GN'R (like Matt himself seems to think) and then he's listed along two legendary drummers.


Kinda like "oops, I forgot to mention my drummer earlier, gotta do it now".


That's why. 



/jarmo

[kaasupoltin]

Why pick it apart?

Puts the Matt mention in perspective.

First it's like he wasn't an integral part of GN'R (like Matt himself seems to think) and then he's listed along two legendary drummers.


Kinda like "oops, I forgot to mention my drummer earlier, gotta do it now".


That's why. 



/jarmo

Ummm.. so you think that 'cause Duff thinks Matt is an awesome drummer, he couldn't have enjoyed the early years of GN'R because Matt wasn't there..?

First it's like he wasn't an integral part of GN'R (like Matt himself seems to think) and then he's listed along two legendary drummers.

And why is that so strange?

[jarmo]

Ummm.. so you think that 'cause Duff thinks Matt is an awesome drummer, he couldn't have enjoyed the early years of GN'R because Matt wasn't there..?

Did I say that?

No....


He was asked about GN'R and immediately says "the five of us".

Matt is the guy who was annoyed because he was listed as an additional musician on Live Era.



Stop twisting my words around. I didn't say what you imply in your first paragraph nor did I say this was strange.

Ooops, I'm just "bashing". 




/jarmo

[kaasupoltin]

Jarmo, are you simply stupid or are you just acting like one? You don't even want to understand what I'm asking here.

Ummm.. so you think that 'cause Duff thinks Matt is an awesome drummer, he couldn't have enjoyed the early years of GN'R because Matt wasn't there..?

Did I say that?

No....

No you didn't, but you clearly pointed it out that Duff enjoyed the early years, and STILL says that Matt's a great drummer. So what the fucking what?

Puts the Matt mention in perspective.

First it's like he wasn't an integral part of GN'R (like Matt himself seems to think) and then he's listed along two legendary drummers.


Kinda like "oops, I forgot to mention my drummer earlier, gotta do it now".

Uhhmhmmhm.. Duff was asked about Guns N' Roses, he said it was great time for the five of them (as said, probably the AFD-lineup). Later he was asked about his favorite drummers and he mentions Matt. What's the problem here, you really think Duff thinks like oops, I forgot to mention my drummer earlier, gotta do it now".. 'cause that's just pathetic way of think