Shackler's Revenge Discussion

[ppbebe]

take it easy. no rash eventually shackler will be your boy, your 21st century boy.

[DoctorNo]

Does Rock Band 2 have a jukebox ?

And if so can some record it off there instead of trying to play it ? 

It was SUPPOSED to.

I haven't found it yet, though.

Anyone else?

It is not in the retail build. According to Harmonix (via the ign review), it was in the early build we all saw at E3, but pulled from the final game because they wanted to make sure "was as good it can be." That implies that it could be added in a patch; but given their history with such things (online tour was slated for RB1 via a patch, but never made it), I think the jukebox is gone.

There is a "manual" way around it, though; found this on the RB forums. Sorry I don't have a link (for this or the ign quote above), but I'm too busy. The poster who suggested this on the RB forums was v0lum3.

Performance mode cheat: Enabled

No fail mode cheat: Enabled

Crowd volume: 0

Vocal quick play

Make a playlist and...

Enjoy the show

It sucks not hearing the crowd, but if you don't turn them down they boo

Anyone interested in a "Matchup" thread for putting together bands in RB2, for Schacklers?

Maybe in the Jungle?

We could post our ID's, "local" band members, what we might be looking for, when, and skill level?

Just a thought...

Good idea.

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On the song: I dig it, but some of you people have to let up on those who don't, and maybe dial down the hyperbole a bit. There are a few trolls in here (there always are), and sure, let em have it; but I think some of the super-positive reactions to this song are built on our collective desperation to hear the album. Shotgun blues noted that there's a contingent among NIN fans who won't like anything under the GNR banner just because it's Axl. It goes both ways. You can love the song, certainly, but let's not rip honest people who simply aren't as drawn to it.

I love the musicianship, but honestly, I'm a little disappointed in the overall structure. The verses are very thin, and the chorus is repeated perhaps too often. This is particularly surprising, since the rest of the Chinese Democracy era catalog is so lyrically dense. I'm not asking for another seven minutes, or a lot of narrative exposition: I love the ambiguous and emotional nature of the lyrics. I just think it could use one more verse quartet (we're talking, what, fifteen seconds?) and maybe some alternative chorus lyrics during just one of the refrains.

But the layered vocals are fucking awesome (and relatively untouched, in terms of obvious effects, like we heard on OMG) and the guitar work (regardless of who's playing what) is all killer. And it definitely the hardest rocker we've heard from the new material. I hope this is a real indication of the musical direction the band is taking. I'd rather have more of these (mean, four minute rockers) than longer dramatic pieces like Madagascar, or ballads like The Blues. There's a place for all of it, of course, but I really love the vibe in Shackler's.

Sweet tune, and I look forward to playing to playing this a thousand times.

[Continental Drift]

I love the musicianship, but honestly, I'm a little disappointed in the overall structure. The verses are very thin, and the chorus is repeated perhaps too often. This is particularly surprising, since the rest of the Chinese Democracy era catalog is so lyrically dense. I'm not asking for another seven minutes, or a lot of narrative exposition: I love the ambiguous and emotional nature of the lyrics. I just think it could use one more verse quartet (we're talking, what, fifteen seconds?) and maybe some alternative chorus lyrics during just one of the refrains.

Great post overall. I have to say though that Shackler's relative "lyrical simplicity" is one of the reasons I really like it as a "change of pace" compared to the other lyrically "denser" Chinese Democracy tracks we have heard thus far. In that sense it kind of fits in as a 2008 "Think About You" or "Yesterdays" IMHO. Not the greatest most intense songs GN'R has ever done by any stretch but definitely cool songs that I believe most of us love hearing as a "bridge" between the deeper songs on AFD and UYI respectively. Shackler's should fit in comfortably in that role on CD IMHO. Just more evidence that this will be a pretty diverse album with at least one song for everybody when all is said and done IMHO.

[DoctorNo]

Great post overall. I have to say though that Shackler's relative "lyrical simplicity" is one of the reasons I really like it as a "change of pace" compared to the other lyrically "denser" Chinese Democracy tracks we have heard thus far. In that sense it kind of fits in as a 2008 "Think About You" or "Yesterdays" IMHO. Not the greatest most intense songs GN'R has ever done by any stretch but definitely cool songs that I believe most of us love hearing as a "bridge" between the deeper songs on AFD and UYI respectively. Shackler's should fit in comfortably in that role on CD IMHO. Just more evidence that this will be a pretty diverse album with at least one song for everybody when all is said and done IMHO.

Oh, good point - and to clarify (if it wasn't obvious) I love the song, and I'm certainly not suggesting everything axl writes should be as dense as Estranged or Coma. (In fact, I cringe when I see personal "best of" lists that contain only GNR songs over 8 minutes.) For me - and I speak only for me, obviously - it's *this close* to being a masterpiece. One more pass at the lyrics, maybe while Axl waited at a red light in his lambo, is all it would take.

(Assuming here that Axl stops at red lights. )

[GeraldFord]

I?m trying not to overanalyze the song?I like it. Kinda simple. 

[CVBTank]

My scattered thoughts on the song...

I didn't expect to hear Appetite or even Use Your Illusion when I pressed play.  If there is one thing Guns N Roses fans should know, its that the sound is progressive, and the leaks gave everyone a little taste of that.

That being said, the openning is too industrial for my taste.  The baritone, like much of the rest of the track, has grown on me but I think, at times, it overpowers Axl's vocals.

The hook is extraordinarily catchy, and  this is the rare rock song you can dance to (if you feel so inclined). 

The solo just doesn't do it for me.  I know thats some impressive shredding, but it feels totally out of place, as if it were cut and pasted from another track.  I'm not a musician, but as a fan I prefer for the solos to feel like they grew out of the song, rather then as though they were inserted because the song needed a solo.

The track is growing me, and while its not the anthem or mind-blowing song I was hoping for I'm certainly interested to see what sound we'll hear on CD.

[D]

My scattered thoughts on the song...

I didn't expect to hear Appetite or even Use Your Illusion when I pressed play.  If there is one thing Guns N Roses fans should know, its that the sound is progressive, and the leaks gave everyone a little taste of that.

That being said, the openning is too industrial for my taste.  The baritone, like much of the rest of the track, has grown on me but I think, at times, it overpowers Axl's vocals.

The hook is extraordinarily catchy, and  this is the rare rock song you can dance to (if you feel so inclined). 

The solo just doesn't do it for me.  I know thats some impressive shredding, but it feels totally out of place, as if it were cut and pasted from another track.  I'm not a musician, but as a fan I prefer for the solos to feel like they grew out of the song, rather then as though they were inserted because the song needed a solo.

The track is growing me, and while its not the anthem or mind-blowing song I was hoping for I'm certainly interested to see what sound we'll hear on CD.

I like this review. Very honest and nice and in depth.

I have had one gripe about the leaks and that is the guitar solos etc. I feel they dont always match Axl's intensity/emotion etc.

For me, Shackler's and Better are the only two where I feel they got it right. 


I think the shredding in SHackler's serves the song and fits in perfectly with what the song is and I actually get a charge out of it.

I always felt the solos are great in the fast songs but lack in the slower songs.


Shackler's, I hated it first listen. I remember saying "What the hell is this shit?"

But after a couple of listens I was hooked and as I've said, it is my favorite of the new batch.

[gilee7]

If I don't have the game, how can I go about listening to this song?? I tried to find it on Youtube, but the results that came up were only a minute long or extremely poor quality.

[grog mug]

great song, great vocals, great guitars.  BUUUT will it be available on ITUNES?!

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Shackler's is definitely the simplest of the new songs and probably the catchiest which is why I think it would make a good single if they elected to release it.  The lyrics are simple, straight forward and easy to understand.  The pre-chorus/hook is incredibly catchy and so is the chorus.  I definitely understand why some people don't like the solo, but I think it fits the song.  It's a crazy solo that's not exactly the most melodic but it sounds mean and there's a lot of energy to it.  The rhythm section during the solo kicks a ton of ass

Also this is by far the best of the new songs for the video game so people shouldn't lose sight of that.  I'm sure that played a major role in why they used it in Rock Band

[Verse Chorus Verse]

Just heard Shackler here:
http://www.htzfm.com/

[Vitor_Icewall]

great song, great vocals, great guitars.  BUUUT will it be available on ITUNES?!

it should be on Itunes! I dont think its fair when some people can hear an oficial GNR song and some others, who doesnt have a xbox, can't!

Also, I think its good for GNR to have an oficial song now... People will know that gnr is alive n they'll be ready to receive a single later!

GNR can't miss this chance!

[Vitor_Icewall]

Just heard Shackler here:
http://www.htzfm.com/

Is it a same version of rb2? i want hear it! lol

[Bruno Poeys]

Shackler's is definitely the simplest of the new songs

Not the solo, though. Anyway, I think that CITR and Chinese Democracy are simpler.

[GNR4L]

Mysteron any info on a single for CD ? looks like Shacklers is just for Rockband 2.

[Howard2k]

After hearing a high quality version of the song  I have to say "Fucking good job"....    My first impressions of a dodgy recording were not good.   But hearing it loud and proud I'm loving it more than I thought I would.

[Dead N' Bloated]

Probably been answered but who plays what on this song?


 

[faldor]

Probably been answered but who plays what on this song?


 

Nothing's been confirmed, but most believe Bumblefoot plays the solo at the end.  I think Buckethead plays most of the parts the first half of the song and while I don't hear much of Robin some people say he has some rhythm parts.  Brain plays drums, I would imagine since he co-wrote the song.

[faldor]

Just heard Shackler here:
http://www.htzfm.com/

What'd they say about it?

[Sober_times]

I am very excited and happy that guns n roses has a new song on rock band 2. But I am also very sad i can't hear it right now.  I'm now unable to get rb 2 for prolly a month or so because first it was money but than today my x-box did the 3 red lights of death. I have to send it in again. Thank god its still under warranty. Hopefully it is available for dl or something before a month or so from now. I don't want to wait that long. 

edit: Yeah i've waited 9 years..but hell now its out and this is gonna be a long month till my 360 gets back to me.