Shackler's Revenge Discussion

[D]

Id say this has to be the first single

U maximize the first single and it wouldnt make sense to have a different single and THEN have Shackler's in a video game.


ITs the same when bands do EA's Sports games etc. They usually put a very commercial single in the video game to get maximum exposure.


Although it might not be a horrible idea to have an official single and then draw in fans with Shacker's on the video game............


The deal is, this is the first single in 15 years or so............... They arent going to fuck around. they are gonna put the most awesome, kick ass track possible out cause u dont get a 2nd chance to make a first impression. So they are coming out the gates swinging.


Shackler's will be mindblowing.

Guaranteed!

[russtcb]

Id say this has to be the first single

U maximize the first single and it wouldnt make sense to have a different single and THEN have Shackler's in a video game.


ITs the same when bands do EA's Sports games etc. They usually put a very commercial single in the video game to get maximum exposure.


Although it might not be a horrible idea to have an official single and then draw in fans with Shacker's on the video game............


The deal is, this is the first single in 15 years or so............... They arent going to fuck around. they are gonna put the most awesome, kick ass track possible out cause u dont get a 2nd chance to make a first impression. So they are coming out the gates swinging.


Shackler's will be mindblowing.

Guaranteed!

I thought Better was the perfect track to launch CD with. If this song is better then that (which everyone from Axl on down apparently thinks) then I'm excited as fuck to hear it!

[D]

I dont understand everyones fascination with Better as a "Single"

That song is a good song but I just dont think its a "single" its too schizophrenic to be a single.


This is where u have to seperate Hardcore fandom to reality

The first GNR single in 15 years is a single meant to capture the attention of the non fan, casual fan and hardcore fan all in one.

It has to have the bite of WTTJ, the commercialism of SCOM and it has to kick ass.


Better for me is hit or miss............ There are times I like it, other times im not too big on it.



Shackler's Revenge I bet will have every amazing GNR element in it with an updated twist.

In today's music, if your first single bombs, the album is a flop 90 percent of the time.

GNR are in a unique situation because there is even more pressure for the first single to be out of this world.

Expect Shackler's to be amazing. For Axl to put this on a game and to deem it worthy as the first song heard by the public in a decade..... u know it has to be.

[mrbucketfoot]

"Better" would make a great single because it has a mesmerizing hook and a fearless drive behind it.
It strikes a good balance between pop for new or casual fans, but has a nice edge for us who crave the harder songs.

And remember we can't judge the song on how it sounded on leaked material, the 2006 performances are a better jump off point.
The vocals were more heavy rock and there was a great drum breakdown in the middle by Brain before it hits the bridge.

[FunkyMonkey]

I didn't see this posted.  Rock Band's designer and writers are interviewed and they discuss the song.  At about 5 minutes in....

http://www.gamespot.com/video/949926/6194201/rock-band-2-e3-2008-stage-show-demo

[marknroses]

I dont understand everyones fascination with Better as a "Single"

That song is a good song but I just dont think its a "single" its too schizophrenic to be a single.


This is where u have to seperate Hardcore fandom to reality

The first GNR single in 15 years is a single meant to capture the attention of the non fan, casual fan and hardcore fan all in one.

It has to have the bite of WTTJ, the commercialism of SCOM and it has to kick ass.


Better for me is hit or miss............ There are times I like it, other times im not too big on it.



Shackler's Revenge I bet will have every amazing GNR element in it with an updated twist.

In today's music, if your first single bombs, the album is a flop 90 percent of the time.

GNR are in a unique situation because there is even more pressure for the first single to be out of this world.

Expect Shackler's to be amazing. For Axl to put this on a game and to deem it worthy as the first song heard by the public in a decade..... u know it has to be.

Agreed.
Big Guns are songs that were held back from demos, leaks and performances. I've said this over and over and over since 2000 that no song performed will lead the new music. I stand by this going foward as well with the upcoming singles. I doubt that the second or third single will be songs we've heard either. Maybe the 4th or 5th single will be something we've heard but the new GNR need to make a NEW impression on both old and new and newer fans. 10 year old songs that have been out are not the ingredients for a successful comeback.

The description of WTTJ with SCOM is classic.
 
MNW

[Ali]

I dont understand everyones fascination with Better as a "Single"

That song is a good song but I just dont think its a "single" its too schizophrenic to be a single.


This is where u have to seperate Hardcore fandom to reality

The first GNR single in 15 years is a single meant to capture the attention of the non fan, casual fan and hardcore fan all in one.

It has to have the bite of WTTJ, the commercialism of SCOM and it has to kick ass.


Better for me is hit or miss............ There are times I like it, other times im not too big on it.



Shackler's Revenge I bet will have every amazing GNR element in it with an updated twist.

In today's music, if your first single bombs, the album is a flop 90 percent of the time.

GNR are in a unique situation because there is even more pressure for the first single to be out of this world.

Expect Shackler's to be amazing. For Axl to put this on a game and to deem it worthy as the first song heard by the public in a decade..... u know it has to be.

Too schizo to be a single?  No, I don't think so.  It's melodic and catchy and that's what qualifies it as a single.  The song's schizophrenia does not disqualify it as a single at all.  Look at System of a Down and "B.Y.O.B."  That was possibly more abrupt in its transitions and yet it still worked as a single because it was catchy.  

Having said that, I agree that it should be catchy and worthy of first single status because regardless of whether or not it is officially the lead single, it will be the first track officially released from the album.

Ali

[GNR4L]

The more I think about it D is right but I also think Better would fit as a second single.

[russtcb]

I definitely feel Better would make an awesome single at any time. 1st, 2nd, 3rd... whatever. But I agree that everyone in the camp must feel that SR is the way to go. There's a lot riding on this so I'm pumped to hear it.

[mrbucketfoot]

Guys.... just incase you were hoping to hear a clip of "Shackler's Revenge" from the E3 Conference, apparently the song is not on the current build of the game.
There were only like 25-30 songs from the Rock Band 2 setlist that are playable at this time. But of course, it will be in the final game.

Mysteron any update on when we can hear this badboy?

[AdZ]

Mysteron any update on when we can hear this badboy?

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=52512.0

[D]

Better could be a single, Im not trying to say it isnt a great song, just for the first single I dont think it would be the best choice.

1. The length doesnt fit into radio format *I know NR blah blah blah but that was 15 years ago*

things are different now.

I expect Shacklers Revenge to be a well crafted,polished, hook laden, bombastic kick ass rock song.


great riff, great lyrics, hooky as fuck melody, slamming drums, synth hooks and just be in your face and filthy.


Better is more in my opinion a midtempo kind of deal, so assuming the songs we know *of course there could be more kick ass things that destroy Better etc

1.shacklers
2. Better *nice to follow up a kick ass rock song with a mid tempo/rock type song
3. Ballad *the big love tune here whatever it turns out to be
4. Prostitute maybe?

everything after shacklers is big time specuation but Better definitely would work better as a second single. first single u want to show people u can still bring the big rock.

[grog mug]

They picked Better as a single at one point...YOUR FORGETTING THE HARLEY DAVIDSON AD!  "Better" WILL be one of the singles, and it should be.  The song is GREAT!

[SINSHINE]

1.shacklers
2. Better *nice to follow up a kick ass rock song with a mid tempo/rock type song
3. Ballad *the big love tune here whatever it turns out to be
4. Prostitute maybe?

When was the last time you saw FOUR singles released from one album from ANY band? Nowadays, most albums have two (possibly three) singles released from them...and some don't even get much airplay. Gone are the days of music video/singles pouring out of chart topping albums one after another (ala Use Your Illusion, The Black Album, etc.) Country music still seems to pump out the singles from what I hear...but even the bubble gum pop bands and well respected bands like U2 usually settle for two or three singles max.

This, unfortunately, is part of the piss poor shape the music industry is in in today's world...in my opinion, anyway.

That said, I don't think GN'R will get more of an opportunity to prove their talents than most bands out there today. The first single needs to be as big as (if not bigger) than 'You Could Be Mine.' IMO...'Better' is NOT it. Good song...some great moments and a solid rock song, but not (I'll use the all too familiar lingo) a 'Big Gun'...at least, not the vision I have of what this band is capable of calling a 'Big Gun.'

I like the title of the new song...and the idea of a 'revenge' makes for an aggressive theme (of course, it could merely be ironic too, I guess) and if it's as nasty and raw as 'You Could Be Mine,' then I think we may have something special.

[The Dog]

I dont understand everyones fascination with Better as a "Single"

That song is a good song but I just dont think its a "single" its too schizophrenic to be a single.


This is where u have to seperate Hardcore fandom to reality

The first GNR single in 15 years is a single meant to capture the attention of the non fan, casual fan and hardcore fan all in one.

It has to have the bite of WTTJ, the commercialism of SCOM and it has to kick ass.


Better for me is hit or miss............ There are times I like it, other times im not too big on it.



Shackler's Revenge I bet will have every amazing GNR element in it with an updated twist.

In today's music, if your first single bombs, the album is a flop 90 percent of the time.

GNR are in a unique situation because there is even more pressure for the first single to be out of this world.

Expect Shackler's to be amazing. For Axl to put this on a game and to deem it worthy as the first song heard by the public in a decade..... u know it has to be.

Good post D, I totally agree.  Better is an average song at best, to a non-die hard it'd be a nice song to listen to for a few months but wouldn't have the staying power of a WTTJ or SCOM.  it's been SOOO long since the mass public has heard a new GNR song...  They have to come out with guns blazing (no pun intended) and blow everyone away. 

[CheapJon]

When was the last time you saw FOUR singles released from one album from ANY band? Nowadays, most albums have two (possibly three) singles released from them...and some don't even get much airplay.

just naming one.. buckcherry released 5 or 6 singles for their album fifteen.. their fifth single (Sorry) being their most succesful chartwise..

if the material is good you can release how many singles you want.. btw their latest single was released this year and they released the record 2 years ago

and i bet the quality on the songs on CD will be higher then on fifteen

 

[russtcb]

When was the last time you saw FOUR singles released from one album from ANY band? Nowadays, most albums have two (possibly three) singles released from them...and some don't even get much airplay.

just naming one.. buckcherry released 5 or 6 singles for their album fifteen.. their fifth single (Sorry) being their most succesful chartwise..

if the material is good you can release how many singles you want.. btw their latest single was released this year and they released the record 2 years ago

and i bet the quality on the songs on CD will be higher then on fifteen

 

Yep and the next Buckcherry album is set for the same routine. I'd love to see hard rock (with GNR leading the way) bring the strength of an actual full album back.

[gcluskey]

I agree, I think this is gonna be a big band sounding song. This game alone is gonna kick ass, what a track listing. Axl's song is standing up with all these other cool bands and He's out to impress with this. What a cool way to release a single. Put it on a fucking game and get an even younger audience hooked onto the new GnR music. Axl is a genius, knew he'd do something cool like this

[bigcash2002]

When was the last time you saw FOUR singles released from one album from ANY band? Nowadays, most albums have two (possibly three) singles released from them...and some don't even get much airplay.

Daughtry....seems like he has released 5-6 singles from his debut album

[bigcash2002]

When was the last time you saw FOUR singles released from one album from ANY band? Nowadays, most albums have two (possibly three) singles released from them...and some don't even get much airplay.

Daughtry....seems like he has released 5-6 singles from his debut album