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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2008, 10:47:29 AM »

If guns are a "God given" right, why didn't cavemen have guns?

I mean...shouldn't God have sent down a stash?  Why were they denied this right?

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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2008, 10:55:27 AM »

If guns are a "God given" right, why didn't cavemen have guns?

I mean...shouldn't God have sent down a stash?  Why were they denied this right?

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Yes you have just made it

A caveman? 

I could be wrong, but a Caveman was probably allowed to pick up any club or tree branch he desired to protect himself
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2008, 11:33:49 AM »

If guns are a "God given" right, why didn't cavemen have guns?

I mean...shouldn't God have sent down a stash?  Why were they denied this right?

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Yes you have just made it

A caveman? 

I could be wrong, but a Caveman was probably allowed to pick up any club or tree branch he desired to protect himself


You're fucking kidding, right.  This isn't about tree branches.  It's about guns. 

How can something be a God given right if it hasn't been around for the majority of human existence? 

It's fucking retarded.  And my stupid analogy was, indeed, worthy of the argument the Nuge is making.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2008, 11:43:42 AM »

If guns are a "God given" right, why didn't cavemen have guns?

I mean...shouldn't God have sent down a stash?  Why were they denied this right?

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Yes you have just made it

A caveman? 

I could be wrong, but a Caveman was probably allowed to pick up any club or tree branch he desired to protect himself


You're fucking kidding, right.  This isn't about tree branches.  It's about guns. 

How can something be a God given right if it hasn't been around for the majority of human existence? 

It's fucking retarded.  And my stupid analogy was, indeed, worthy of the argument the Nuge is making.

What did Cavemen ever do to you Freedom?  I see Cavemen all the time in Geico commercials.  I am sure they can have a gun if they want one.... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2008, 11:54:31 AM »

If guns are a "God given" right, why didn't cavemen have guns?

I mean...shouldn't God have sent down a stash?  Why were they denied this right?

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Yes you have just made it

A caveman? 

I could be wrong, but a Caveman was probably allowed to pick up any club or tree branch he desired to protect himself


You're fucking kidding, right.  This isn't about tree branches.  It's about guns. 

How can something be a God given right if it hasn't been around for the majority of human existence? 

It's fucking retarded.  And my stupid analogy was, indeed, worthy of the argument the Nuge is making.


So if a smarter than average caveman ( See Geico comm) decided to invent a club with a poison snake tied to the end of it to defend himself, he would need the approval of the Governing Caveman board to use it?

And yes, this is retarded, but you're the one who brought up the Cavemen.........
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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2008, 01:49:04 PM »

If guns are a "God given" right, why didn't cavemen have guns?

I mean...shouldn't God have sent down a stash?  Why were they denied this right?

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Yes you have just made it

A caveman? 

I could be wrong, but a Caveman was probably allowed to pick up any club or tree branch he desired to protect himself


You're fucking kidding, right.  This isn't about tree branches.  It's about guns. 

How can something be a God given right if it hasn't been around for the majority of human existence? 

It's fucking retarded.  And my stupid analogy was, indeed, worthy of the argument the Nuge is making.

What did Cavemen ever do to you Freedom?  I see Cavemen all the time in Geico commercials.  I am sure they can have a gun if they want one.... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm always having to shoo the cavemen off my lawn.  Grin

If guns are a "God given" right, why didn't cavemen have guns?

I mean...shouldn't God have sent down a stash?  Why were they denied this right?

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Yes you have just made it

A caveman? 

I could be wrong, but a Caveman was probably allowed to pick up any club or tree branch he desired to protect himself


You're fucking kidding, right.  This isn't about tree branches.  It's about guns. 

How can something be a God given right if it hasn't been around for the majority of human existence? 

It's fucking retarded.  And my stupid analogy was, indeed, worthy of the argument the Nuge is making.


So if a smarter than average caveman ( See Geico comm) decided to invent a club with a poison snake tied to the end of it to defend himself, he would need the approval of the Governing Caveman board to use it?

And yes, this is retarded, but you're the one who brought up the Cavemen.........

OK...fuck the cavemen.  My point is that the concept of a "God given right" makes no sense when applied to something that has only existed for a few hundred years.  It's like saying there's a God given right to drive a car.  It's complete nonsense.
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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2008, 02:43:52 PM »

Ted Nugent is a WORTHLESS A-HOLE.

I'm from Michigan, his home state, and I went to see him speak at a College about 6 years ago, and he said "If that woman gets elected to Governor I will have to run next time". Everyone was cheering for him. That woman he was talking about was Democrat Granholm.  She won and about 2 years ago about a year or so before the next election, before Dick Devos got the republican nomination in my state, he moved down to Texas, by Pres Bush's camp.  He made promises and ideas on whats wrong with Michigan and America and what we have to do to change them.

He had enough support and Followers here in Michigan he could of won the Governor's Race and changed, but instead he ran for the hills. I lost all respect for him after that. I bought your book, I got it signed, and you made promises you didnt deliver on you are no better then the politicians you rip new aholes.  YOU WANT CHANGE AND PROTECTION OF AMERICAN NUGENT FIGHT FOR IT LIKE THE SOLDIERS YOU LOVE SO MUCH.
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2008, 07:57:52 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/30/guns.suicides.ap/index.html

ATLANTA, Georgia, (AP) -- The Supreme Court's landmark ruling on gun ownership last week focused on citizens' ability to defend themselves from intruders in their homes. But research shows that surprisingly often, gun owners use the weapons on themselves.

 Suicides accounted for 55 percent of the nation's nearly 31,000 firearm deaths in 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

There was nothing unique about that year -- gun-related suicides have outnumbered firearm homicides and accidents for 20 of the last 25 years. In 2005, homicides accounted for 40 percent of gun deaths. Accidents accounted for 3 percent. The remaining 2 percent included legal killings, such as when police do the shooting, and cases that involve undetermined intent.

Public-health researchers have concluded that in homes where guns are present, the likelihood that someone in the home will die from suicide or homicide is much greater.

Studies have also shown that homes in which a suicide occurred were three to five times more likely to have a gun present than households that did not experience a suicide, even after accounting for other risk factors.

In a 5-4 decision, the high court on Thursday struck down a handgun ban enacted in the District of Columbia in 1976 and rejected requirements that firearms have trigger locks or be kept disassembled. The ruling left intact the district's licensing restrictions for gun owners.

One public-health study found that suicide and homicide rates in the district dropped after the ban was adopted. The district has allowed shotguns and rifles to be kept in homes if they are registered, kept unloaded and taken apart or equipped with trigger locks.

The American Public Health Association, the American Association of Suicidology and two other groups filed a legal brief supporting the district's ban. The brief challenged arguments that if a gun is not available, suicidal people will just kill themselves using other means.

 More than 90 percent of suicide attempts using guns are successful, while the success rate for jumping from high places was 34 percent. The success rate for drug overdose was 2 percent, the brief said, citing studies.

"Other methods are not as lethal," said Jon Vernick, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore.

The high court's majority opinion made no mention of suicide. But in a dissenting opinion, Justice Stephen Breyer used the word 14 times in voicing concern about the impact of striking down the handgun ban.

"If a resident has a handgun in the home that he can use for self-defense, then he has a handgun in the home that he can use to commit suicide or engage in acts of domestic violence," Breyer wrote.

Researchers in other fields have raised questions about the public-health findings on guns.

Gary Kleck, a researcher at Florida State University's College of Criminology and Criminal Justice, estimates there are more than 1 million incidents each year in which firearms are used to prevent an actual or threatened criminal attack.

Public-health experts have said the telephone survey methodology Kleck used likely resulted in an overestimate. iReport.com: Watch William Bernstein share his views on gun ownership

Both sides agree there has been a significant decline in the last decade in public-health research into gun violence.

The CDC traditionally was a primary funder of research on guns and gun-related injuries, allocating more than $2.1 million a year to such projects in the mid-1990s.

But the agency cut back research on the subject after Congress in 1996 ordered that none of the CDC's appropriations be used to promote gun control.

Vernick said the Supreme Court decision underscores the need for further study into what will happen to suicide and homicide rates in the district when the handgun ban is lifted.

Today, the CDC budgets less than $900,000 for firearm-related projects, and most of it is spent to track statistics. The agency no longer funds gun-related policy analysis.
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« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2008, 01:04:41 PM »

If guns are a "God given" right, why didn't cavemen have guns?

I mean...shouldn't God have sent down a stash?  Why were they denied this right?

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You have a universal right to defend yourself to something that is stronger than you..be it in force or numbers.

So next time 2 burglars get in your house, rape your wife while the other kicks you in the head pointing his gun at you....don't whine  peace

And that's a radical example, but meaning, if your opponent has the means, you should have too. Forbidding them obviously won't stop the criminals of getting them.
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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2008, 06:33:13 PM »

If guns are a "God given" right, why didn't cavemen have guns?

I mean...shouldn't God have sent down a stash?  Why were they denied this right?

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You have a universal right to defend yourself to something that is stronger than you..be it in force or numbers.

So next time 2 burglars get in your house, rape your wife while the other kicks you in the head pointing his gun at you....don't whine  peace

And that's a radical example, but meaning, if your opponent has the means, you should have too. Forbidding them obviously won't stop the criminals of getting them.

Please don't misinterpret me.

I offer no argument against people defending themselves, or even against the acceptability of firearms as a means of self defense...only against the idea of guns as a God given right, the point being that something cannot be a God given right if it is relatively new to existence.  To my knowledge, neither the Torah, the Bible, nor the Koran mention guns.  I would be similarly surprised if the seminal texts of Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism, or any other religion made mention of guns. 

PS - I should also add a mighty big "fuck you" for invoking the potential rape of my wife to make your point.  ok
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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2008, 07:05:22 PM »

I agree with freedom here.   It's a stupid phrase and should be removed from the document.  It'sa Country given right to own and bear arms.  God (if you believe in such thing) gave us the right to defend ourselves.  That I can buy into.  But "god given" is way way way too over the top.
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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2008, 10:34:54 PM »

I think when people say its God's right to own guns I assume they ae mentioning its gods given right to defend oneself as humans have been doing that since the begining of time, Guns are just the newest way of defending oneself.
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