Your tax dollars at work....

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Terrorists who want to bring down this country and kill americans are not the people who's rights the founding fathers were concerned about. Why should terrorists have the same rights as an American Citizen?

Some of these detainees are more than likely not terrorists, yet they were still locked up and tortured under the mere assumption that they were terrorists.

That doesn't sound rather sick and twisted to you?

How would you feel if you or your loved ones were held without evidence, and tortured?

How would you feel if you or your loved ones was on one of the flights that crashed into the twin towers?

Again, THESE ARE NOT US CITIZENS. How many suits will we have in the courts concerning terrorists every wish? They have killed or tried to kill americans. Giving them the rights of the americans they have hurt or killed is asenine.

[polluxlm]

So how do you know who's a terrorist? Without, you know, evidence and a trial?

If you already know somebody is guilty, why have a trial at all? If you trust these guys so much, why not let them be the judge in all criminal cases? Sure would save a lot of money.

Did McVeigh deserve a trial?

[Dr. Blutarsky]

So how do you know who's a terrorist? Without, you know, evidence and a trial?

If you already know somebody is guilty, why have a trial at all? If you trust these guys so much, why not let them be the judge in all criminal cases? Sure would save a lot of money.

Did McVeigh deserve a trial?

Guantanamo prisoners are/were getting  military tribunals.

McVeigh was an American citizen, therefore he had a right to the US Court system.

[Axl4Prez2004]

So how do you know who's a terrorist? Without, you know, evidence and a trial?

If you already know somebody is guilty, why have a trial at all? If you trust these guys so much, why not let them be the judge in all criminal cases? Sure would save a lot of money.

Did McVeigh deserve a trial?

Guantanamo prisoners are/were getting  military tribunals.

McVeigh was an American citizen, therefore he had a right to the US Court system.

"Bluto," I got this from Foxnews, because I figured you wouldn't trust it from anything "less." 
Evidence Ignored, German Man Detained  http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Dec05/0,4670,GuantanamoGermanDetainee,00.html

but I guess that's all cool though...how much is 4 years of your life worth?  More than this guy's?  Add to that the torture he endured at the hands of our military. Wha? Huh? Wha?  Yeah, torturing innocents.  Don't you get it yet? 

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Are you more concerned for your enemy's rights rather than your own?

An enemy that if you were in his custody would kill you, without any concern for being humane? Maybe cut your head off and film it for propaganda purposes?

[Perfect Criminal]

How can anyone bash anyone on this issue.  There are obviously two very credible schools of thought on this issue.  The country is divided on it and more importantly the Supreme Court is divided down the middle on it.  There is no need to bash people with the opposite view.  Especially on this issue where it has two legitimate points of view.

What will all those crying for these guys say when one si released and comits an act of terrorism?  I trust those holding these guys to make the determination that they are dangerous more than anyone on this board and even more than the supreme court.  There is no substitute for hands on experience.

That being said, all they won was a right to ask if their incarceration was legal.  If it is deemed illegal (and its on a case by case basis), they will stand trial and most will lose.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Are you more concerned for your enemy's rights rather than your own?

An enemy that if you were in his custody would kill you, without any concern for being humane? Maybe cut your head off and film it for propaganda purposes?

1st, what part of, "there are innocent people being held against their will and tortured," don't you understand?

2nd, why do you feel it necessary to lower yourself to the level of these terrorist thugs?  You live in the civilized world.
Nobody here is putting terrorists' rights "ahead" of our own.  Treating people like animals isn't right in any situation.  What's that old saying?  2 wrongs don't make a right...yeah, that's it.   

[Dr. Blutarsky]

So the rights of American citizens should be extended to everyone in the world......maybe we should give them govt assistance for college as well.....free health care.....etc etc

[Axl4Prez2004]

^ Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying!  Damn you're good! 

btw, Blutarsky, please answer my question.  How much is 4 years of your life worth?  Include being tortured...thanks.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

^ Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying!  Damn you're good! 

btw, Blutarsky, please answer my question.  How much is 4 years of your life worth?  Include being tortured...thanks.

I don't answer loaded questions thank you very much. You can play gotcha with someone else.

[TAP]

Terrorists who want to bring down this country and kill americans are not the people who's rights the founding fathers were concerned about. Why should terrorists have the same rights as an American Citizen?

Some of these detainees are more than likely not terrorists, yet they were still locked up and tortured under the mere assumption that they were terrorists.

That doesn't sound rather sick and twisted to you?

How would you feel if you or your loved ones were held without evidence, and tortured?

How would you feel if you or your loved ones was on one of the flights that crashed into the twin towers?

Again, THESE ARE NOT US CITIZENS. How many suits will we have in the courts concerning terrorists every wish? They have killed or tried to kill americans. Giving them the rights of the americans they have hurt or killed is asenine.

The constitution does not just apply to US citizens, in fact it doesn't really apply to people at all - it's restrictions on what the federal government can do. I would think you'd know that as a self-proclaimed libertarian.

Edit: The 14th amendment guarantees due process to anyone on US soil, which is why they aren't being held in the US of course.

[TAP]

That being said, all they won was a right to ask if their incarceration was legal.  If it is deemed illegal (and its on a case by case basis), they will stand trial and most will lose.

Exactly, yet this is being spun as they are all going to be let out tomorrow.

[TAP]

How dare those sons a bitches:

    

The Declaration of Independence:

Terrorists who want to bring down this country and kill americans are not the people who's rights the founding fathers were concerned about. Why should terrorists have the same rights as an American Citizen?

don't bother aruging with them....they will hide behind the constitution, declaration of indepedence or any other ANCIENT document they can find

Wow, you really hate America. Better to be hiding behind Cheney's chickenhawk tail feathers I suppose.

to twist the meaning in order to defend terrorists....at the same time they ALL know that if the founding fathers were around today they would be making some alterations to those documents....

We certainly don't know that. The founding father weren't cowards unlike the neocons. They framed those documents in the shadow of war with the world's major military power of the time.

[SLCPUNK]

It's irrelevant anyway. The the message of the SCOTUS was clear: Bush's actions were unconstitutional, which I've been saying for years now.

The posters who call themselves "conservative" here are nothing of the sort btw. What they are advocating is not conservative, but a complete and utter disregard for our Constitution. They don't care about the right to a fair trial, they don't care about habeas corpus, they don't care if men have been held for years, tortured and finally released without being charged (and in some cases after our government  knowing they were not terrorists, being held for years.) It's all irrelevant to these guys. They want to have carte blanche to act like a group of thugs and torture freaks under the guise of "war on terror" and shit all over what makes America so great. Take your fascists ideals and go fuck yourself.

With this ruling we have hope for America again. We've still got a lot of work to do, but we're headed in the right direction.

[TAP]

Interesting article on some of the 'terrorists' held at Gitmo

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/detainees/story/38773.html

[TAP]

So the rights of American citizens should be extended to everyone in the world......maybe we should give them govt assistance for college as well.....free health care.....etc etc

Nice try Senator Strawman

[Axl4Prez2004]

So the rights of American citizens should be extended to everyone in the world......maybe we should give them govt assistance for college as well.....free health care.....etc etc

Nice try Senator Strawman

But TAP, I believe his screen name is Senator Blu...oh, wait a minute, I get it!   
 
PS: TAP, great article posted.   

[Dr. Blutarsky]

With this ruling we have hope for America again. 

Was that lifted from an Obama speech?

[SLCPUNK]

Yes, I went outside and read my Obama sign before I posted it.

Chump.

Interesting article on some of the 'terrorists' held at Gitmo

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/detainees/story/38773.html

That's a great article, and 60 minutes did a piece about a guy from Germany, totally innocent, held for years without being charged, or allowed council all while enduring torture.

The bottom line is that these guys don't give a shit. That's why they never will comment on these cases. If they do nut up enough to be honest, they'll simply tell you they don't give shit if innocents get caught in the net. Psychopathic if you ask me.

Nice try Senator Strawman

See, this is where Senator Strawman will say "All you can do is call me names, because you don't have anything intelligent to say." Or coil up into the Randall Flagg "Victim" mode: "I just come here to read about GnR and am interested in politics, why do you feel it necessary to attack me personally?"

Conveniently forgetting that he just put up some bullshit strawman argument, or lied again.

[fuckin crazy]

The founding fathers were aware that people held views such as those of Sen. Blutarsky, smoking guns, and Plitt-Mania ... they were called Tories then, and that is one of the reasons the documents, and correspondense is so clear on these matters.

This is something all Neocons should read, and learn from ... though, I have a feeling that they might think that Publius was dangerous to American freedom.

And to the idiot that referenced "ANCIENT" documents, those documents are gives us our rights and laws.