Is it possible.....

[Bitch Slap Rappin]

U2 and Guns & Roses are two completely different groups. Yeah U2 have been around more in the charts and release more material but that's because they are controlled by their record company. U2 is not just about the four guys on stage. It's a corporation now. G&R are the complete opposite. They are not an industry group. You can't compare these two groups in any category because they are from the opposite spectrums of music. Guns are like Pink Floyd in the sense that they are outside the music industry. Their not puppets for the Record industry to command. Led Zepp was the same way. Axl and whoever is in company with him don't play the game of lying down and submitting to dictations of the record companies. Bono on the other hand is a hand puppet. When U2's manangement and record company tells them to jump......they jump.  U2's first couple of albums really didn't have much success until they released Joshua Tree. If it wasn't for that album they probably would of been dropped and you and I would have never heard of them again. Guns first album took off like a rocket. That says allot about the difference between U2 and Guns!!!!
Anyway....like the author of this thread said....it was about the up and coming releases of the G&R.......watch out..........it could be the big come-back. And if it is. I can tell you allot of groups that are signed now are probably going to have to start looking for jobs........

[russtcb]

U2 and Guns & Roses are two completely different groups. Yeah U2 have been around more in the charts and release more material but that's because they are controlled by their record company. U2 is not just about the four guys on stage. It's a corporation now. G&R are the complete opposite. They are not an industry group. You can't compare these two groups in any category because they are from the opposite spectrums of music. Guns are like Pink Floyd in the sense that they are outside the music industry. Their not puppets for the Record industry to command. Led Zepp was the same way. Axl and whoever is in company with him don't play the game of lying down and submitting to dictations of the record companies. Bono on the other hand is a hand puppet. When U2's manangement and record company tells them to jump......they jump.  U2's first couple of albums really didn't have much success until they released Joshua Tree. If it wasn't for that album they probably would of been dropped and you and I would have never heard of them again. Guns first album took off like a rocket. That says allot about the difference between U2 and Guns!!!!
Anyway....like the author of this thread said....it was about the up and coming releases of the G&R.......watch out..........it could be the big come-back. And if it is. I can tell you allot of groups that are signed now are probably going to have to start looking for jobs........

What??

You're telling me you believe that if and when GNR release an album, it's going to cause such a big comeback that several other groups will actually loose their entire fanbase?

[Bitch Slap Rappin]

It's possible. That's the power of Guns & Roses. Many people underestimate G&R. For me there's really nothing out there right now that's really stirring up the music business. Groups come and go so fast it's like the price of gasoline going up and down. Hey.....this is a Guns & Roses sight. If you've got doubts supporting G&R......there are plenty of Britney Spear sights and rapp-hip hop sights you can go support. Or you can go support alternative-alternative-rock group sights. We're here to pay homage to Guns & Roses.....period. 

[Voodoochild]

You know it's possible to like other bands at the same time, right?

[Bitch Slap Rappin]

You know it's possible to like other bands at the same time, right?

Yes. There are other groups I like too. There's nothing wrong with that. But sometimes I've noticed there are sights created for a paticular group (in this case G&R) and some log in and post negative put downs of a group. Now if it's just jokin around that's alright. But I can never understand if someone (and I'm not pointing fingers here) doesn't like a group for what ever reason than why even join that sight. I joined this sight because I'm pro-Guns & Roses. That's all.

[Neemo]

Their not puppets for the Record industry to command.

thats why there has been negotiations for going on a year and a half with the record apparently in the Label's hands ... yeah your right guns do seem to be able to force the label to do what they want 

[russtcb]

It's possible. That's the power of Guns & Roses. Many people underestimate G&R. For me there's really nothing out there right now that's really stirring up the music business. Groups come and go so fast it's like the price of gasoline going up and down. Hey.....this is a Guns & Roses sight. If you've got doubts supporting G&R......there are plenty of Britney Spear sights and rapp-hip hop sights you can go support. Or you can go support alternative-alternative-rock group sights. We're here to pay homage to Guns & Roses.....period. 

No. This is a Guns N' Roses site and we're here to discuss them. Even if we were to only "pay homage" to them, there's a difference between that and what you're suggesting.

I'm a fan of Guns N' Roses and I discuss them quite frequently at length. Do I believe that their return if and when they release an album will put multiple other artists out of a job? No. That also doesn't mean that I should go listen to and support Britney Spears, it just means I live in reality.

[jarmo]

Their not puppets for the Record industry to command.

thats why there has been negotiations for going on a year and a half with the record apparently in the Label's hands ... yeah your right guns do seem to be able to force the label to do what they want 

Is the label forcing Axl to do what they want then?




/jarmo

[Bitch Slap Rappin]

Record labels strive on controlling an artist. It's their way of having power over a group. Axl speaks of this in his lyrics in you can be mine. Hey you can either be a leader or a puppet in the music industry. I doubt you will ever see Axl in a commercial like the current one of Justin Tiberland. To me an Artist should have total control of his career. This is the reality. My vote is I hope these new releases does put allot of bands out. It's time to get rid of these 'want to be' groups who are so un-talented it makes me laugh.
If you think it's not possible. Let's go back to circa 1991 before Nirvana arrived. Record companies signed about a dozen of so metal-acts. Yeah you remember them. Poison. Warrant, Cinderella.....and the list goes on. Nirvana hits the scene and what happen to all of these hair-bands...............gone. Now their lucky if they can fill a modern size club. So I don't know what reality you want to live in. But I know what I'm talking about because I've done the research.
Here's another dose of reality. In 1980 Led Zep put out in through the Out door. Nobody in the industry thought that it was going to sell. Surprise. They sold 10 million. And also gave a huge boost in record sales for other artists. Reality? 

[russtcb]

Record labels strive on controlling an artist. It's their way of having power over a group. Axl speaks of this in his lyrics in you can be mine. Hey you can either be a leader or a puppet in the music industry. I doubt you will ever see Axl in a commercial like the current one of Justin Tiberland. To me an Artist should have total control of his career. This is the reality. My vote is I hope these new releases does put allot of bands out. It's time to get rid of these 'want to be' groups who are so un-talented it makes me laugh.
If you think it's not possible. Let's go back to circa 1991 before Nirvana arrived. Record companies signed about a dozen of so metal-acts. Yeah you remember them. Poison. Warrant, Cinderella.....and the list goes on. Nirvana hits the scene and what happen to all of these hair-bands...............gone. Now their lucky if they can fill a modern size club. So I don't know what reality you want to live in. But I know what I'm talking about because I've done the research.
Here's another dose of reality. In 1980 Led Zep put out in through the Out door. Nobody in the industry thought that it was going to sell. Surprise. They sold 10 million. And also gave a huge boost in record sales for other artists. Reality? 

Yeah, I remember that.

Do you remember what happened after Nirvana got signed? There was a bunch of other bands signed just like them; Candlebox, Pearl Jam, STP, Silverchair... on and on and on. And at the same time guess who was around?? GUNS N' ROSES.

Point is, just because GNR produces an album it doesn't make the rest of the music world disappear.

[Bitch Slap Rappin]

No it doesn't mean they'll disappear. But I hope they do. The record business is at an all time slump right now. I know this because I've spokend with people who work in the industry. Everyone is playing it safe. Even bands who are not working with the majors are finding it very hard to keep their head above the water. It's disheartening that music has become too much business oriented. Yes the bands somehow need to make a living. But originally it was about making fantastic music that will leave a mark on society now and later into the future.
You have to realise that this is not just my point of view. This is the word I've been hearing from both sides of the fence. Bands, musicians, songwriters and management industry people who are in the music business.
The industry was already on a downward slope pre-2001. Than it started accelerating even more after 2001.
Alot of young teenagers are going back to listening to what their parents were into because the current music is not cutting it. Yes they start off with the newer groups but they soon realise that it's not cutting the mustard. So they are going back to the what modern rockers call "Classic Rock".
This is what is currently going on. I'm actually very happy that the new generation are getting wise to what is great music and what is fabricated silicone. They deserve to be turned on to great music and not computerised mumbo jumbo. And why not? I grew up listening to some of the most greatest music that has value and more bang for the buck. Why shouldn't the new generation receive the same.

[surforia]

No it doesn't mean they'll disappear. But I hope they do. The record business is at an all time slump right now. I know this because I've spokend with people who work in the industry. Everyone is playing it safe. Even bands who are not working with the majors are finding it very hard to keep their head above the water. It's disheartening that music has become too much business oriented. Yes the bands somehow need to make a living. But originally it was about making fantastic music that will leave a mark on society now and later into the future.
You have to realise that this is not just my point of view. This is the word I've been hearing from both sides of the fence. Bands, musicians, songwriters and management industry people who are in the music business.
The industry was already on a downward slope pre-2001. Than it started accelerating even more after 2001.
Alot of young teenagers are going back to listening to what their parents were into because the current music is not cutting it. Yes they start off with the newer groups but they soon realise that it's not cutting the mustard. So they are going back to the what modern rockers call "Classic Rock".
This is what is currently going on. I'm actually very happy that the new generation are getting wise to what is great music and what is fabricated silicone. They deserve to be turned on to great music and not computerised mumbo jumbo. And why not? I grew up listening to some of the most greatest music that has value and more bang for the buck. Why shouldn't the new generation receive the same.

I agree with some of this, but you're forgetting something vitally important. 

You're talking about a radical change in music.  This is what's referred to as a "cultural movement."  Each generation has it's own cultural movements, but cultural movements are inspired by the young and disenfranchised of that generation.  When Appetite came out, Gn'R were the young and disenfranchised.  Same case with Nirvana, the Sex Pistols, Led Zepplin, and even the Beatles.  All those bands started cultural movements that both existed within and transcended music.  The successive generation may appreciate the artists of their successors, but they will not identify with them - and thus these artists, like Gn'R, will not be able to ignite a new cultural movement from the young and disenfranchised. 

I'm not saying that Gn'R can't be huge again, but Chinese Democracy, no matter how sick it is, will not transform music and wipe out all the crappy pop music that exists today (no matter how much we all want it to).

[HBK]

In GUNS N' ROSES & Chinese Democracy, Only Work.... MASTERSMIND:

" Brianiac, The General, Finck, AXL, Pitman, May, Wylde, Izzy & Others "

The Album = Music Revolution.

HBK *

[Gunsnroses-now]

No. The album may sell well, but it's not going to make GN'R anything close to what they were in the 89-93 period. As a mix-mash of music styles from the 80s-90s with a band that will never gain the image of a "true band" it won't revolutionize. Not to mention it'll be a guy in his 40s leading the show... people in their 40s don't start revolutions in the music world, creatively or sales-wise, anyway.

[russtcb]

No it doesn't mean they'll disappear. But I hope they do. The record business is at an all time slump right now. I know this because I've spokend with people who work in the industry. Everyone is playing it safe. Even bands who are not working with the majors are finding it very hard to keep their head above the water. It's disheartening that music has become too much business oriented. Yes the bands somehow need to make a living. But originally it was about making fantastic music that will leave a mark on society now and later into the future.
You have to realise that this is not just my point of view. This is the word I've been hearing from both sides of the fence. Bands, musicians, songwriters and management industry people who are in the music business.
The industry was already on a downward slope pre-2001. Than it started accelerating even more after 2001.
Alot of young teenagers are going back to listening to what their parents were into because the current music is not cutting it. Yes they start off with the newer groups but they soon realise that it's not cutting the mustard. So they are going back to the what modern rockers call "Classic Rock".
This is what is currently going on. I'm actually very happy that the new generation are getting wise to what is great music and what is fabricated silicone. They deserve to be turned on to great music and not computerised mumbo jumbo. And why not? I grew up listening to some of the most greatest music that has value and more bang for the buck. Why shouldn't the new generation receive the same.

First of all, everyone knows the music industry has been in a downward trend for years and years. None of that has anything to do with GN'R or whether they'll put other bands out of jobs by releasing a new album.

[HBK]

GNR have Fans Classics  & New Genereation...

GNR is Music Experimental, Evolution... NOT Band Predescibly.

hbk *

[ToonGuns]

In GUNS N' ROSES & Chinese Democracy, Only Work.... MASTERSMIND:

" Brianiac, The General, Finck, AXL, Pitman, May, Wylde, Izzy & Others "

The Album = Music Revolution.

HBK *

No offense... but why are your posts always half nonsense?!!

Chinese Democracy = Revolution (I hope!!!)

[LunsJail]

In GUNS N' ROSES & Chinese Democracy, Only Work.... MASTERSMIND:

" Brianiac, The General, Finck, AXL, Pitman, May, Wylde, Izzy & Others "

The Album = Music Revolution.

HBK *

No offense... but why are your posts always half nonsense?!!

Chinese Democracy = Revolution (I hope!!!)

Only half?

I agree with some of this, but you're forgetting something vitally important. 

You're talking about a radical change in music.  This is what's referred to as a "cultural movement."  Each generation has it's own cultural movements, but cultural movements are inspired by the young and disenfranchised of that generation.  When Appetite came out, Gn'R were the young and disenfranchised.  Same case with Nirvana, the Sex Pistols, Led Zepplin, and even the Beatles.  All those bands started cultural movements that both existed within and transcended music.  The successive generation may appreciate the artists of their successors, but they will not identify with them - and thus these artists, like Gn'R, will not be able to ignite a new cultural movement from the young and disenfranchised. 

I'm not saying that Gn'R can't be huge again, but Chinese Democracy, no matter how sick it is, will not transform music and wipe out all the crappy pop music that exists today (no matter how much we all want it to).

It is possible for people to come out with really important and popular music without it being a "cultural movement".  The Seattle bands got people going out and buying flannel shirts and that scene got associated with fashion and politics and a bunch of shit that really had nothing to do with the music.  Ultimately those things were trends that went away.  Fairly quickly too.

Why can't we just say Guns was a great band with some great tunes and leave all this "cultural significance" out of it?

[HBK]

In GUNS N' ROSES & Chinese Democracy, Only Work.... MASTERSMIND:

" Brianiac, The General, Finck, AXL, Pitman, May, Wylde, Izzy & Others "

The Album = Music Revolution.

HBK *

No offense... but why are your posts always half nonsense?!!

Chinese Democracy = Revolution (I hope!!!)

I No Offense 

Yes... REVOLUTION In The Mercade.

HBK *

[Mysteron]

In GUNS N' ROSES & Chinese Democracy, Only Work.... MASTERSMIND:

" Brianiac, The General, Finck, AXL, Pitman, May, Wylde, Izzy & Others "

The Album = Music Revolution.

HBK *

No offense... but why are your posts always half nonsense?!!

Chinese Democracy = Revolution (I hope!!!)

To be fair:

HBK does not have English as his first language yet he seems to post more common sense than alot of people.