Oil prices...

[AxlsMainMan]

Thanks for the clarification Pilferk

I was under the impression that all hybrids still needed to be plugged in to recharge their battery.

[SLCPUNK]

Yes, you insinuate several times that Bush is being held solely responsible for the price point, which is not true.

You also claim that Bush's policies are irrelevant, then turn around and ask why fear should dictate the price of oil.

I wasn't blaming BUSH!  I was saying he "isn't" soley responsible.

I'm not saying you were.

So is anybody here changing their personal habits to help reduce our dependency on oil?

ShadowX? Sandman? GnRFl?

What are you doing?

i don't do a thing. it doesn't even cross my mind.

i need to know exactly how my sacrifices would help. i need things quantified.

and i figure the sooner we run out of oil, the sooner we put pressure on the world to find alternative sources. so in a way i feel like i'm helping the situtation. 

You are part of the problem.

[SLCPUNK]

I don't think Hybrids are that great for the environment.

Every night you plug it in to recharge it's battery, you're burning a great deal of electricity, and in turn, polluting the environment.

So ultimately, what you're saving by not buying as much gas, will instead go to paying off your now rather large hydro bill at the end of every month.

The electric car was squashed back in the late 90s-Big oil shut the whole thing down. . They would not even allow the models to stay on the road. GM took them back and demolished them. They had a range of 120 miles a charge, were fast, and sporty.

Imagine how much oil we could save by using solar panels to provide electricity to our homes and charge our cars at night?

The missus was just at a convention that showcased an electric care being introduced into America, made in Mexico. That doesn't strike my fancy right now, but it's good to see them on the horizon again.

My goal in the next 2-5 yrs is have solar panels for the house and a diesel vehicle. If I can get in on an electric vehicle, I would do it in a heartbeat. Currently our water and electric bills run half of what the average is, and I think there are still areas we can improve.

Conservation is the key, it's also a way of showing you are thankful. Waste is arrogant and pig headed.

[SLCPUNK]

So, you all want the government to fix this for you, without taking any personal responsibility for your consumption, waste, or the foreign policies you advocate?

Just like health care, cheap oil is not guaranteed to you. Please don't start a thread looking for a handout or sympathy. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and quit making excuses.

[GNRreunioneventually]

why in the blue HELL can't we dig for oil in alaska and utah

because the far left environmentalist douchebags wont let us....

probably cause those douchbags drive fuckin hybrids, the number one leader in smug emissions

[sandman]

Yes, you insinuate several times that Bush is being held solely responsible for the price point, which is not true.

You also claim that Bush's policies are irrelevant, then turn around and ask why fear should dictate the price of oil.

I wasn't blaming BUSH!  I was saying he "isn't" soley responsible.

I'm not saying you were.

So is anybody here changing their personal habits to help reduce our dependency on oil?

ShadowX? Sandman? GnRFl?

What are you doing?

i don't do a thing. it doesn't even cross my mind.

i need to know exactly how my sacrifices would help. i need things quantified.

and i figure the sooner we run out of oil, the sooner we put pressure on the world to find alternative sources. so in a way i feel like i'm helping the situtation. 

You are part of the problem.

na, part of the solution. 

let's get off our dependency on oil instead.

[fuckin crazy]

why in the blue HELL can't we dig for oil in alaska and utah

A hell of a lot of production comes from Alaska. If you are referring to the North Slope, That field has enough oil to fuel the nation for only two weeks. Why fuck up that area for a two week supply when it won't really help eliminate any dependence.

Eventually, it will be developed. There is only about 40-50 years worth of oil left on the planet.

Regarding the Green River Basin oil shales: The process to crack that stuff will release a tremendous amount of CO₂ into the environment; excaserbating an already critical situation.

The future energy demands will be met by the dissociation of water( Hydrogen fuel cells). That is where the research is at. It is a win/win.

[SLCPUNK]

na, part of the solution. 

let's get off our dependency on oil instead.

How are you part of the solution?

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Ahmadinejad Says Oil at $115 a Barrel is Too Low, Calls for Higher Prices

Saturday, April 19, 2008


TEHRAN, Iran ?  Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was quoted Saturday as saying crude oil prices at $115 a barrel are too low, and that oil must "discover its real value."

Oil prices have hit all-time highs above $115 a barrel in recent weeks, amid reports that oil and gasoline stocks in the United States were lower than expected and as the dollar sinks to record lows.

"The oil price of $115 a barrel in today's global markets is a deceiving figure. Oil is a strategic commodity that needs to discover its real value," the Web site of Iran's state-run television quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

The Iranian president made the remarks during a visit to an oil and gas exhibition in Tehran late Friday.

Crude oil futures surged to a new trading record of $117 a barrel Friday following an attack on a key pipeline in Nigeria. The rise capped a week of record highs fueled by supply woes and the dollar's weakness relative to other major currencies.

Ahmadinejad said despite the surge in oil prices, the economic value of crude oil is currently less than what it was in 1980.

"While the price of other commodities have increased, the economic value of the current oil price is even less than 1980," he said.

Ahmadinejad accused Western industrialized nations of "selfishness" in their quest for cheaper oil.

"When they get hold of oil, they assume that oil is a free commodity and belongs to them and has wrongly been placed in other territories... This is the spirit of selfishness and arrogance," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying.

A host of supply and demand concerns in the U.S. and abroad, along with the dollar's weakness, have bolstered oil prices, even as record retail gasoline prices in the U.S. appear to be dampening demand.

A stronger dollar makes commodities such as oil less attractive to investors as a hedge against inflation, and it makes oil more expensive to investors overseas. Analysts believe the weaker dollar is the primary reason oil has soared well past $100 a barrel this year. But the effect tends to reverse when the greenback gains ground.

Ahmadinejad called the U.S. currency "a handful of paper" without any global support.

Iran has stopped using the U.S. dollar in its oil transactions with the outside world, switching to other non-dollar currencies such as Euro.

"The dollar is not money any longer but a handful of paper distributed in the world without commodity support," the Web site quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351789,00.html

[Dr. Blutarsky]

You don't see my complaining about any of it. I hope it goes higher. It may wake some people the fuck up.

You and Ahmadinejad agree on something! 

[SLCPUNK]

So what are you doing to help lower your energy consumption?

Nothing I guess huh?

[polluxlm]

So what are you doing to help lower your energy consumption?

Nothing I guess huh?

Please.

The failure of fellow human beings to comply to your utopia might give you some personal satisfaction, but...does it solve the issue?

Let's put the money where the mouth is. If there is an energy problem, perceived or real, who is the enabler? The working man doing what he can to keep his place warm, or big business and their public office minions out to make an additional buck on your ignorance/fear?

Or to put it real simple: Do you beat up your colleague or your boss when the check fails?

[SLCPUNK]

So what are you doing to help lower your energy consumption?

Nothing I guess huh?

Please.

The failure of fellow human beings to comply to your utopia might give you some personal satisfaction, but...does it solve the issue?

We need to lower out demand for oil while the powers that be look for an alternative energy source. In the meantime, it would behoove us to adopt energy efficient lifestyles. Americans are incredibly wasteful with their energy use at home, and in the cars they drive. It is just as much their responsibility as the next guy.

I know you like to blame your secret societies for the ills of the world, but often times we can, and should, start with ourselves.

Anybody else, is making excuses, and that's what I see here. Citizens who want solutions, but aren't willing accept that they are part of the problem. So here we sit, stuck in square one.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

So what are you doing to help lower your energy consumption?

Nothing I guess huh?

I have already answered your question. I do not do any unnecessary driving, no joy rides, recreational travel or day trips anymore for me, only what is necessary to put food on my table. I simply can not afford it.

What are you doing to help lower energy consumption??

[SLCPUNK]

Energy consumption is not limited to,or centered around your car, that's why I am asking.

I've been vocal in many threads about what I do to lower my energy consumption. I don't feel like writing it all up again, especially since it won't matter. I can tell you that I do, and that my bills, just from being mindful can be up to 1/4 (electric) to 1/2 (water) of what my neighbors average. I will continue to do more as time marches on, hopefully I can be 80-90 percent off the grid within 2-5 yrs.

You really should read "What's The Matter With Kansas?"

If a thread ever mirrored a book....

[sandman]

i'm far more concerned about water than oil.

[SLCPUNK]

i'm far more concerned about water than oil.

So do you take steps to cut down on your water use?

[Dr. Blutarsky]

i'm far more concerned about water than oil.

This is deserving for another thread on the subject.

It is a serious problem that is coming in the not too distant future.

[sandman]

i'm far more concerned about water than oil.

So do you take steps to cut down on your water use?

just worry about yourself. and try to have some modesty for once.

and instead of worrying about being smarter than others, or being "right" all the time, or doing more than the evil republicans, try to be happy with yourself just knowing that you're doing what you're comfortable with to help out.

[SLCPUNK]

What a cop out.