Slash Spills the Beans on Weiland's departure

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Slash came off kind of arrogant, and sort of dickheadedish in this interview.

yeah, I got the impression he was trying very hard to make it seem like they booted Weiland instead of the other way around, damage control really.
I guess all prospective applicants for lead singer of VR should be...punctual.

that's like asking the square root of one million...no one knows.

you're cracking me up 

[Ali]

It's criminal to make the audience wait?

Perhaps someone should define for Slash what a criminal offense is.

Ali

You know as much as I do that he used the word as a metaphor.

And I?m 100%  with Slash on this one.

Yes, I know it's a metaphor.  That's not the point.  It's a way over the top metaphor to portray Weiland in a negative light and himself, conversely, in a positive light.  You can say, "it's not cool" and leave it at that without going so over the top.

Ali

[cfcsfc]

It's criminal to make the audience wait?

Perhaps someone should define for Slash what a criminal offense is.

Ali

Pretty sure he didn't literally mean criminal... it's an expression.
And I agree with him. Waiting for the stage set up is fine. Waiting for a chunk of time beyiond that is a joke and a pain in the ass. I'm glad he realises that it pissed off the fans and looks arrogant and unprofessional.


I'm suprised at how straight shooting this interview was. Sounds like they were the guys who really isolated Scott.
But I'm glad that Slash and co have finally seemed to step up and say 'fuck this, we aren't taking shit anymore.' It sounds like their frontmen always called the shots for the band and dictated what was going on, and now it seems like they've finally had enough. And good on them I reckon. At this point in their careers, after what they've done they deserve to call the shots. They have had pretty bad luck with personal/professional problems with their singers, so now it seems like they aren't going to put up with it any more. Good on them.

[Ali]

It's criminal to make the audience wait?

Perhaps someone should define for Slash what a criminal offense is.

Ali

Pretty sure he didn't literally mean criminal... it's an expression.
And I agree with him. Waiting for the stage set up is fine. Waiting for a chunk of time beyiond that is a joke and a pain in the ass. I'm glad he realises that it pissed off the fans and looks arrogant and unprofessional.


I'm suprised at how straight shooting this interview was. Sounds like they were the guys who really isolated Scott.
But I'm glad that Slash and co have finally seemed to step up and say 'fuck this, we aren't taking shit anymore.' It sounds like their frontmen always called the shots for the band and dictated what was going on, and now it seems like they've finally had enough. And good on them I reckon. At this point in their careers, after what they've done they deserve to call the shots. They have had pretty bad luck with personal/professional problems with their singers, so now it seems like they aren't going to put up with it any more. Good on them.

I already addressed the fact that I didn't think it was a literal use of the word criminal, but a use done for an unnecessary dramatic effect.

And as far as Slash and co. calling the shots, that will never happen unless they want a singer to be a hired hand.

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

[D]

Slash will always be my hero but it just seems that he,duff and Matt are three of the biggest pussies ever to be in a rock n roll band.


I am sorry but if vince Neil pulled shit like that, Nikki and Tommy would be up in his face if thats what it took.


with Slash,Duff etc, they brood in silence cause they dont have the balls to confront Axl or Scott or whoever. They boo hoo cause Axl owns the name of GNR, well guess what? U fuckin geniuses signed the god damn thing over to him. he didnt have a gun to your head.

Now with Scott, maybe communication could've solved some problems? but when u just ignore a guy, nothing is gonna get done.

[cfcsfc]

It's criminal to make the audience wait?

Perhaps someone should define for Slash what a criminal offense is.

Ali

Pretty sure he didn't literally mean criminal... it's an expression.
And I agree with him. Waiting for the stage set up is fine. Waiting for a chunk of time beyiond that is a joke and a pain in the ass. I'm glad he realises that it pissed off the fans and looks arrogant and unprofessional.


I'm suprised at how straight shooting this interview was. Sounds like they were the guys who really isolated Scott.
But I'm glad that Slash and co have finally seemed to step up and say 'fuck this, we aren't taking shit anymore.' It sounds like their frontmen always called the shots for the band and dictated what was going on, and now it seems like they've finally had enough. And good on them I reckon. At this point in their careers, after what they've done they deserve to call the shots. They have had pretty bad luck with personal/professional problems with their singers, so now it seems like they aren't going to put up with it any more. Good on them.

I already addressed the fact that I didn't think it was a literal use of the word criminal, but a use done for an unnecessary dramatic effect.

And as far as Slash and co. calling the shots, that will never happen unless they want a singer to be a hired hand.

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

Unnecessary dramatic effect? Geeze, people really need to choose their words carefully to avoid such critical analysis...
Why can't they call the shots? It's their band, their the stars, and it's their music people want to hear. Just because a singer stands at the front of the stage doesn't mean he is the main guy off of it.
Uh, I'm pretty sure that Slash hasn't come off as the victim here and has taken some responsibility in the end. He pretty much said how he and the other members ostracized Scott, effectivly driving him out of the band. He said that they didn't like him or his attitude, but that they were effectively responcible for forcing him out.

[SpiritDave]

Awesome

[fuckin crazy]

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

He rarely addressed his feelings in that interview. A few times at most. Go back and count the times that he used "I" in reference to himself.

[GNRreunioneventually]

they were gonna kick him out anyway only he didn't know and left on his own terms. LOL

thats priceless! plus an extra kick in scotts teeth

[Ali]

It's criminal to make the audience wait?

Perhaps someone should define for Slash what a criminal offense is.

Ali

Pretty sure he didn't literally mean criminal... it's an expression.
And I agree with him. Waiting for the stage set up is fine. Waiting for a chunk of time beyiond that is a joke and a pain in the ass. I'm glad he realises that it pissed off the fans and looks arrogant and unprofessional.


I'm suprised at how straight shooting this interview was. Sounds like they were the guys who really isolated Scott.
But I'm glad that Slash and co have finally seemed to step up and say 'fuck this, we aren't taking shit anymore.' It sounds like their frontmen always called the shots for the band and dictated what was going on, and now it seems like they've finally had enough. And good on them I reckon. At this point in their careers, after what they've done they deserve to call the shots. They have had pretty bad luck with personal/professional problems with their singers, so now it seems like they aren't going to put up with it any more. Good on them.

I already addressed the fact that I didn't think it was a literal use of the word criminal, but a use done for an unnecessary dramatic effect.

And as far as Slash and co. calling the shots, that will never happen unless they want a singer to be a hired hand.

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

Unnecessary dramatic effect? Geeze, people really need to choose their words carefully to avoid such critical analysis...
Why can't they call the shots? It's their band, their the stars, and it's their music people want to hear. Just because a singer stands at the front of the stage doesn't mean he is the main guy off of it.
Uh, I'm pretty sure that Slash hasn't come off as the victim here and has taken some responsibility in the end. He pretty much said how he and the other members ostracized Scott, effectivly driving him out of the band. He said that they didn't like him or his attitude, but that they were effectively responcible for forcing him out.

Like I said, he could've just said "it's not cool to go on stage late" and just said that.  He didn't need to be overly dramatic and use the word "criminal".  It was over the top given the situation he was talking about.

Unless Slash and the guys want to have a hired gun for a singer, they can't call the shots by themselves.

Slash makes no concession that anything he or the other members did anything to contribute to the tension and subsequent split with Scott.  None whatsoever.  When you don't admit you did anything wrong or contributed to the situation in any way, you are portraying yourself as being a victim of the situation not a party to it.

Ali

[Ali]

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

He rarely addressed his feelings in that interview. A few times at most. Go back and count the times that he used "I" in reference to himself.

It's not about him using the word "I".  It's about him not making any concession that he or any of the others did anything to contribute to the tension with Scott.  Completely giving your singer the cold shoulder does not help the situation.  It only makes it worse.

Ali

[Feel_The_Burn]

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

He rarely addressed his feelings in that interview. A few times at most. Go back and count the times that he used "I" in reference to himself.

It's not about him using the word "I".  It's about him not making any concession that he or any of the others did anything to contribute to the tension with Scott.  Completely giving your singer the cold shoulder does not help the situation.  It only makes it worse.

Ali

How about

We basically didn't speak a word that whole time, we gave him the cold shoulder in the UK like nobody's business.

other than that, nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable.

Is that not bluntly saying he knows the contributed to it

You just want to rip him to shreds , he uses the word "criminal" and you jump on his case.

[Ali]

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

He rarely addressed his feelings in that interview. A few times at most. Go back and count the times that he used "I" in reference to himself.

It's not about him using the word "I".  It's about him not making any concession that he or any of the others did anything to contribute to the tension with Scott.  Completely giving your singer the cold shoulder does not help the situation.  It only makes it worse.

Ali

How about

We basically didn't speak a word that whole time, we gave him the cold shoulder in the UK like nobody's business.

other than that, nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable.

Is that not bluntly saying he knows the contributed to it

You just want to rip him to shreds , he uses the word "criminal" and you jump on his case.

Wrong.  I have no desire to rip him to shreds.  Don't be so dramatic.  I just thought it was over the top to use that word.

And, I can't help but notice a pattern here.  Something goes wrong with a member of the band and it's never Slash's fault at all.  Things go sour and he doesn't admit playing even a small role in it.  And no, it does not sound like he admits contributing to the situation and being wrong in that.  He sounds proud of it and indifferent or unconcerned with any negative impact from giving Scott the cold shoulder.

Ali

[fuckin crazy]

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

He rarely addressed his feelings in that interview. A few times at most. Go back and count the times that he used "I" in reference to himself.

It's not about him using the word "I".  It's about him not making any concession that he or any of the others did anything to contribute to the tension with Scott.  Completely giving your singer the cold shoulder does not help the situation.  It only makes it worse.

Ali

From all appearances, it was Weiland that gave the rest of the band the cold shoulder ... for along time.

[Ali]

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

He rarely addressed his feelings in that interview. A few times at most. Go back and count the times that he used "I" in reference to himself.

It's not about him using the word "I".  It's about him not making any concession that he or any of the others did anything to contribute to the tension with Scott.  Completely giving your singer the cold shoulder does not help the situation.  It only makes it worse.

Ali

From all appearances, it was Weiland that gave the rest of the band the cold shoulder ... for along time.

Really?  Slash just admitted that he and the others did the same thing.

Ali

[Feel_The_Burn]

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

He rarely addressed his feelings in that interview. A few times at most. Go back and count the times that he used "I" in reference to himself.

It's not about him using the word "I".  It's about him not making any concession that he or any of the others did anything to contribute to the tension with Scott.  Completely giving your singer the cold shoulder does not help the situation.  It only makes it worse.

Ali

How about

We basically didn't speak a word that whole time, we gave him the cold shoulder in the UK like nobody's business.

other than that, nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable.

Is that not bluntly saying he knows the contributed to it

You just want to rip him to shreds , he uses the word "criminal" and you jump on his case.

Wrong.  I have no desire to rip him to shreds.  Don't be so dramatic.  I just thought it was over the top to use that word.

And, I can't help but notice a pattern here.  Something goes wrong with a member of the band and it's never Slash's fault at all.  Things go sour and he doesn't admit playing even a small role in it.  And no, it does not sound like he admits contributing to the situation and being wrong in that.  He sounds proud of it and indifferent or unconcerned with any negative impact from giving Scott the cold shoulder.

Ali

other than that, nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable. What do you want him to say

HEY WORLD ITS ALL MY FAULT

Jeez dude seriously he said straight up we gave him the cold shoulder and I can imagine he we uncomfortable. Anyways it was obvious that Slash and Co where on one page and Scott on another.

[Bodhi]

who cares...Scott Weiland is a sub-par frontman...he was ok in Velvet for a couple albums but id like to see them move on to a singer that actually SINGS...

[cfcsfc]

Like I said, he could've just said "it's not cool to go on stage late" and just said that.  He didn't need to be overly dramatic and use the word "criminal".  It was over the top given the situation he was talking about.

Unless Slash and the guys want to have a hired gun for a singer, they can't call the shots by themselves.

Slash makes no concession that anything he or the other members did anything to contribute to the tension and subsequent split with Scott.  None whatsoever.  When you don't admit you did anything wrong or contributed to the situation in any way, you are portraying yourself as being a victim of the situation not a party to it.

Ali

Way to exactly restate your original points without adding anything at all.
Already gone in a circle after one reply so not going to bother persuing this further.
But please, keep your eyes open for another Slash thread so you can come back spewing the tried and tested 'Slash playing the victim without taking any responsibility' card again.

And Feel_The_Burn, I agree. As I said, in as many words he is admitting they helped push him out. "I imagine that made him feel quite uncomfortable" I think more than concludes that they helped contribute to the tension.

[fuckin crazy]

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

He rarely addressed his feelings in that interview. A few times at most. Go back and count the times that he used "I" in reference to himself.

It's not about him using the word "I".  It's about him not making any concession that he or any of the others did anything to contribute to the tension with Scott.  Completely giving your singer the cold shoulder does not help the situation.  It only makes it worse.

Ali

From all appearances, it was Weiland that gave the rest of the band the cold shoulder ... for along time.

Really?  Slash just admitted that he and the others did the same thing.

Ali

I know you are not naive to the actions of Weiland. He has long been a loner ... and that is generous.

[Ali]

Until then, I guess Slash can continue to portray himself as a victim with no culpability in these professional fallings-out.

Ali

He rarely addressed his feelings in that interview. A few times at most. Go back and count the times that he used "I" in reference to himself.

It's not about him using the word "I".  It's about him not making any concession that he or any of the others did anything to contribute to the tension with Scott.  Completely giving your singer the cold shoulder does not help the situation.  It only makes it worse.

Ali

How about

We basically didn't speak a word that whole time, we gave him the cold shoulder in the UK like nobody's business.

other than that, nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable.

Is that not bluntly saying he knows the contributed to it

You just want to rip him to shreds , he uses the word "criminal" and you jump on his case.

Wrong.  I have no desire to rip him to shreds.  Don't be so dramatic.  I just thought it was over the top to use that word.

And, I can't help but notice a pattern here.  Something goes wrong with a member of the band and it's never Slash's fault at all.  Things go sour and he doesn't admit playing even a small role in it.  And no, it does not sound like he admits contributing to the situation and being wrong in that.  He sounds proud of it and indifferent or unconcerned with any negative impact from giving Scott the cold shoulder.

Ali

other than that, nobody spoke to him, i imagine he was quite uncomfortable. What do you want him to say

HEY WORLD ITS ALL MY FAULT

Jeez dude seriously he said straight up we gave him the cold shoulder and I can imagine he we uncomfortable. Anyways it was obvious that Slash and Co where on one page and Scott on another.

I don't expect him to say that it's all his fault, but some concession that perhaps it was not a good situation for all parties involved.

Like you said, Slash and co. were on one page and Scott another.  They all did things to not help their relationship.  It didn't work out.  It was time to move on.  That's it.

Ali