Scott Weiland speaks about the end of VR

[Falcon]

I can see why Slash and the guys got rid of Scott...

Uh, no matter how they (VR camp) spin it - he got rid of them...

Slash, Duff and Matt had planned on getting rid of him for a long time.

As soon as Scott said STP was on, he was done with VR.

They can spin it however they want, it was over.

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

Slash knows how to tell a good lie story.

Classic argumentum ad hominem.


While he may have a propensity for fudging the truth, it has nothing to with Weiland's firing. The facts tend to support his story, ie, auditioning new singers, strife in the band, and the fact that some of his statements have been corroborated by other members of the band.

But why does he mention those things AFTER Weiland leaves?

Just a pattern of lies that we all should have gotten used to by now.

Weiland wasn't fired.  He left those guys and they were caught with their pants down.

[chineseblues]

I can see why Slash and the guys got rid of Scott...

Uh, no matter how they (VR camp) spin it - he got rid of them...

Slash, Duff and Matt had planned on getting rid of him for a long time.

As soon as Scott said STP was on, he was done with VR.

They can spin it however they want, it was over.

Exactly, I suspect he knew months before anything was publicly stated about a STP reunion that it was happening and that he was not sticking around with VR after the tour was done.

[D]

Arent they kind of ripping the fans staying together just to make money and play shows?

[Falcon]

Arent they kind of ripping the fans staying together just to make money and play shows?

Oh hell no.

If those guys wanna play shows and fans wanna see them play, who's to judge motive?

[fuckin crazy]

  He left those guys and they were caught with their pants down.

I guess that is why they were auditioning singers before the last leg of their tour. I tend to think that Weiland saw "the writing on the wall".

[jarmo]

Arent they kind of ripping the fans staying together just to make money and play shows?

Velvet Revolver?

No way! 




/jarmo

[Smoking Guns]

Arent they kind of ripping the fans staying together just to make money and play shows?

Velvet Revolver?

No way! 




/jarmo

It will be a great show.  Hope they have fun.

[Falcon]

  He left those guys and they were caught with their pants down.

I guess that is why they were auditioning singers before the last leg of their tour. I tend to think that Weiland saw "the writing on the wall".

I think it's more like VR saw ""the writing on the wall" when he committed to STP.  

Scott was always gonna be married to STP, VR was a girlfriend while legally separated.

[fuckin crazy]

  He left those guys and they were caught with their pants down.

I guess that is why they were auditioning singers before the last leg of their tour. I tend to think that Weiland saw "the writing on the wall".

I think it's more like VR saw ""the writing on the wall" when he committed to STP. 

Scott was always gonna be married to STP, VR was a girlfriend while legally separated.

Yep, that is probably a better analogy. Though, I doubt either side was caught off guard.

[D]

I just mean, if u arent getting a long and are only waiting to breakup to fulfill "dates" why not just refund people's money and call it a career?

[fuckin crazy]

^How about because they are artists.

[Falcon]

I just mean, if u arent getting a long and are only waiting to breakup to fulfill "dates" why not just refund people's money and call it a career?

It's a double edged sword - play and be called greedy or not and disappoint fans who wanted to see the band regardless of their eminent demise.

Personally..

I would have loved to been at a "last show" scenario, a band harnessing that energy with finality at hand would've been quite a sight.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

  He left those guys and they were caught with their pants down.

I guess that is why they were auditioning singers before the last leg of their tour. I tend to think that Weiland saw "the writing on the wall".

The writing was on the wall when Libertad flopped and then their tour with AIC bombed.  After hearing SBQM and then Libertad, I called it that it would flop and the band would disintegrate.  This type of project was way too money driven from the get go to make any sense if it wasn't making money

I would bet that if Libertad had gone platinum and their last US tour hadn't had such poor ticket sales, VR would do at least one more album

It's pretty obvious that when Libertad failed, Weiland had no incentive to stick around.  On Libertad it sounded like he phoned it in and was just going through the motions on the large majority of the songs.  But then again so did the rest of the band

[faldor]

  He left those guys and they were caught with their pants down.

I guess that is why they were auditioning singers before the last leg of their tour. I tend to think that Weiland saw "the writing on the wall".

The writing was on the wall when Libertad flopped and then their tour with AIC bombed.  After hearing SBQM and then Libertad, I called it that it would flop and the band would disintegrate.  This type of project was way too money driven from the get go to make any sense if it wasn't making money

I would bet that if Libertad had gone platinum and their last US tour hadn't had such poor ticket sales, VR would do at least one more album

It's pretty obvious that when Libertad failed, Weiland had no incentive to stick around.  On Libertad it sounded like he phoned it in and was just going through the motions on the large majority of the songs.  But then again so did the rest of the band

Once again, apparently Rick Rubin knew what he was talking about when he told them to record more songs.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

  He left those guys and they were caught with their pants down.

I guess that is why they were auditioning singers before the last leg of their tour. I tend to think that Weiland saw "the writing on the wall".

The writing was on the wall when Libertad flopped and then their tour with AIC bombed.  After hearing SBQM and then Libertad, I called it that it would flop and the band would disintegrate.  This type of project was way too money driven from the get go to make any sense if it wasn't making money

I would bet that if Libertad had gone platinum and their last US tour hadn't had such poor ticket sales, VR would do at least one more album

It's pretty obvious that when Libertad failed, Weiland had no incentive to stick around.  On Libertad it sounded like he phoned it in and was just going through the motions on the large majority of the songs.  But then again so did the rest of the band

I disagree with you on Libertad. I actually listen to Libertad more than Contraband, but it is definitely a different record.  Slash has more solos and the guitar effects are more imaginitive ( talk box on Get out the Door is very cool).  Scott's vocals came thru like he progressed since Contraband.

[faldor]

Yeah I don't think Libertad was a bad album.  I enjoyed it, but it didn't have very long lasting life in my CD player.  Not anywhere near Contraband.  But for whatever reason Libertad pretty much bombed.  Maybe it was the fact that it didn't really have any killer songs on it.  Lots of good, solid songs, but nothing that really stood out.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

There was no big single. No Slither. Commercially not as good as Contraband, but artistically a forward progression by a very good band.

[Chris Axl]

I can see why Slash and the guys got rid of Scott...

Uh, no matter how they (VR camp) spin it - he got rid of them...

Slash, Duff and Matt had planned on getting rid of him for a long time.

As soon as Scott said STP was on, he was done with VR.

They can spin it however they want, it was over.

Haven't you read the latest Slash interview on this?

He says that scott was drifting away long time before the STP thing.
And Slash said that the STP wasn't the main reason for them wanting to get rid of them.

[Fingers]

Slash knows how to tell a good lie story.

Classic argumentum ad hominem.


While he may have a propensity for fudging the truth, it has nothing to with Weiland's firing. The facts tend to support his story, ie, auditioning new singers, strife in the band, and the fact that some of his statements have been corroborated by other members of the band.

But why does he mention those things AFTER Weiland leaves?

Just a pattern of lies that we all should have gotten used to by now.

Weiland wasn't fired.  He left those guys and they were caught with their pants down.

Whatever-caught with their pants down? Duff and Slash left one of the biggest bands in the world over 10 years ago and seemed to have survived ok