Robin leaving? Just touring?

[Ulises]

You're an exception.

[C0ma]

Jarmo, let's face it , I don't know what's your problem with Robin but most of the fans wants him in the band and loves him. I know that GN'R is a band, that there's other guitarrists and all that stuff but Robin is special, is the right guy to be next to Axl and some people wants to see him in Guns N' Roses no matter the tour delays two or three months.

The better question is what's Robin's problem. Granted this is pure speculation, but I would have to assume that it isn't Axl's primary plan to not tour following the November release of his decade in the making album. As it stands now his open ended commitment with Trent appears to be stretching into June (and possibly further)... What gives him the right to essentially hold GnR hostage while he tours with no firm schedule for another band...

[daviebuckethead]

Fortus is an infintely better player than finck in both composition and tech ability, you just have to look at the solo spots both players had on any GnR tour.

[oldgunsfan]

Jarmo, let's face it , I don't know what's your problem with Robin but most of the fans wants him in the band and loves him. I know that GN'R is a band, that there's other guitarrists and all that stuff but Robin is special, is the right guy to be next to Axl and some people wants to see him in Guns N' Roses no matter the tour delays two or three months.

If anything, Jarmo's been pretty consisten in his views of lead guitarists that have left the band

[angie62]

I dont care, let them tour with what they've got and soon please!!

[Loaded NightraiN]

Believe me I'm not a Jarmo ass kiss around here but,


How can you guys say he's dumping on Robin?? Its Robins choice to do what he's doing....

Just because Jarmo acknowledges there is other guitarists in this band, and its not essential to have Finck in if he dosent want to be there, dosent mean he hates the guy 

[GNR4L]

OK, well first off there no new's regarding touring on GnR, two there's been no decision on Robin's status in GnR IT IS WHAT IT IS.  Until there's GnR dates that are offical not some rumours and if they do happen to be the same time that NIN is playing, then I would suspect that Robin would not be apart of GnR.  Until that happens nobody should be complaining or moaing over Robins decision to play with NIN.

[jarmo]

Jarmo, let's face it , I don't know what's your problem with Robin

No problem.

My "problem" is people thinking Robin alone makes GN'R.


I would've loved if things, that unfortunately happened, hadn't happened.

But the fact remains, he left GN'R for NIN for the second time.

I don't think it's fair to expect the rest of the band to sit around waiting for him while he finishes up his NIN tours just because you love him so much.

If GN'R wants to tour before Robin is done, I support that. Because you have to move ahead when you're ready to do so.

The album is out. The thing they've worked for has been accomplished with its release.


I happen to think all guitarists who are, or have been, in GN'R are competent players.

Just because you identify yourself with one guy, doesn't mean the other guitar players can't be "superstars taking over the world".




/jarmo

[Limulus]

+ waiting for 2010 Robin comeback wouldnt give us any live shows this year

[Bruno Poeys]

Fortus is an infintely better player than finck in both composition and tech ability, you just have to look at the solo spots both players had on any GnR tour.

lol, composition? I don't think so. I love Robin's compositions/solos and I haven't heard anything so beautiful/different from Fortus.

Anyway, Jarmo is right, guys. If you really believe that both Ron and Richard can't 'take the spot' you're kidding yourselves. Ron is a virtuoso that can play note for note what Robin, Bucket, Richard or any other guitar player played in Guns N' Roses - hell, he probably can play note for note what ANY alive guitar player played up to date. But, of course, he'll do things his way. He won't play Finck's solos note for note if he doesn't come back. I love Robin, but if he wants to marry Trent, fuck him. Richard can handle almost all the rhythm stuff anyway. And he can, of course, play most of - if not all - Bucket's and Robin's stuff. I'm cool with only Richard and Ron, IF Robin doesn't come back.

[LunsJail]

Don't ever say "most fans" and Robin in the same paragraph, because you can't say that is true.  I'd take Buckethead with one arm over 3 Robins any day ending in "y", and I would wager there are many that would agree with me. 

If this was the first time Robin had "left" I'd be ok with it, but it's not.

 I thought his stage presence was great too, but any hack in any guitar shop could butcher SCOM like Robin does. 

I love Robin as an artist, I hate the position that he seems to have put the fellas in.  What I hate more is that he does not seem to acknowledge anything publicly.  I don't need or deserve justification from Robin, but he apears to be considerate of his fans and I would have expected a bit more from him.

You're an exception.

No, he's not.  I agree 100% with everything he said.  Also, I venture to guess that 50% of anyone attending a GNR show today has no idea who Robin Finck is.

EDIT:  Although he did write Better and deserves major props for that.

[Voodoochild]

^ And how is this important? If they liked Chinese and don't know who Robin is, what's the problem? Still, the guy would win everyone over there.


IF - and a big IF here - Robin wants to move on with NIN, that's fine. He does what he wants, there are way too many things we don't know to judge his decision. I love the guy, he's my favorite guitar player in Guns EVER (and don't even start to whine - its MY opinion), but what can I do? Love Ron too and he's more than capable. And I'm sure anyone who fill the spot will be too.

The thing I hate is people trying to put Robin down just because he wouldn't be in the band anymore. And this whole thread, since day 1, had people in this bashing orgy. For fucks sake, the album is more than enough to prove his talent, why would anyone deny that?

(BTW, the same goes for Ron, who also deserves some props)

[izzbo]

I love Robin as an artist, I hate the position that he seems to have put the fellas in.  What I hate more is that he does not seem to acknowledge anything publicly.  I don't need or deserve justification from Robin, but he apears to be considerate of his fans and I would have expected a bit more from him.

I agree w/this 100%. Exactly my feelings on this to the tee.

-= izZbO =-

[Bruno Poeys]

IF - and a big IF here - Robin wants to move on with NIN, that's fine. He does what he wants, there are way too many things we don't know to judge his decision. I love the guy, he's my favorite guitar player in Guns EVER (and don't even start to whine - its MY opinion), but what can I do? Love Ron too and he's more than capable. And I'm sure anyone who fill the spot will be too.

Well, I know, but Richard as a lead guitarist wouldn't be a good idea. Robin is - at least in Guns - much more creative than Richard. At this point, though, I think that if Robin wanted to leave he'd have announced months ago. Again, I love him, but if he wants to stay with NIN, it's his problems, his loss. I just want Robin and Brain for the tour... if we can't have Robin, imo Ron should be the only lead guy.

The thing I hate is people trying to put Robin down just because he wouldn't be in the band anymore. And this whole thread, since day 1, had people in this bashing orgy. For fucks sake, the album is more than enough to prove his talent, why would anyone deny that?

I don't think anyone would deny that...

...right?

[Loaded NightraiN]

Well, I know, but Richard as a lead guitarist wouldn't be a good idea. Robin is - at least in Guns - much more creative than Richard.

Only because he's been rhythm... Put him on lead and he would shine, no question

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Fortus is good, we've heard his leads in some of the solos.....but when you hear his leads, they sound like any proficiant and talented shredder. With Finck ( and Bucket) and B-foot to a lesser extent, their styles are unique and you know who it is when you hear them.

[Alan]

Robin is - at least in Guns - much more creative than Richard.

yeah i mean robin has writing credits on 1 song compared to richards none.

robin is replacable. fortus is more than capable of playing robin's parts.

[ppbebe]

His 'feel' is not replaceable. But then again richard would bring in his own feel.

Fortus is good, we've heard his leads in some of the solos.....but when you hear his leads, they sound like any proficiant and talented shredder. With Finck ( and Bucket) and B-foot to a lesser extent, their styles are unique and you know who it is when you hear them.

agreed.

IF - and a big IF here - Robin wants to move on with NIN, that's fine. He does what he wants, there are way too many things we don't know to judge his decision. I love the guy, he's my favorite guitar player in Guns EVER (and don't even start to whine - its MY opinion), but what can I do? Love Ron too and he's more than capable. And I'm sure anyone who fill the spot will be too.

The thing I hate is people trying to put Robin down just because he wouldn't be in the band anymore. And this whole thread, since day 1, had people in this bashing orgy. For fucks sake, the album is more than enough to prove his talent, why would anyone deny that?

yea it was ugly. a few people tho.
it's ocasions like this when you see others true colour, don't you think?

[Voodoochild]

^ Yeah, I do think. And I also agree with Senator Blutarsky - we're talking about unique style, not just an efficient guitar player. I've been saying this for years, but let's do it one more time: there's way too many musicians out there who could play everything. Still, it's not just what it's being played, but much more the way it is. It's the feel, the tone and the style.

IF - and a big IF here - Robin wants to move on with NIN, that's fine. He does what he wants, there are way too many things we don't know to judge his decision. I love the guy, he's my favorite guitar player in Guns EVER (and don't even start to whine - its MY opinion), but what can I do? Love Ron too and he's more than capable. And I'm sure anyone who fill the spot will be too.

Well, I know, but Richard as a lead guitarist wouldn't be a good idea. Robin is - at least in Guns - much more creative than Richard. At this point, though, I think that if Robin wanted to leave he'd have announced months ago. Again, I love him, but if he wants to stay with NIN, it's his problems, his loss. I just want Robin and Brain for the tour... if we can't have Robin, imo Ron should be the only lead guy.

Don't think so. It would be weird to have Ron doing all the solos in TWAT, IMO. I would go with two leads anytime. Even three, like November Rain was.

The thing I hate is people trying to put Robin down just because he wouldn't be in the band anymore. And this whole thread, since day 1, had people in this bashing orgy. For fucks sake, the album is more than enough to prove his talent, why would anyone deny that?

I don't think anyone would deny that...

...right?

You should check D's post history.

Robin is - at least in Guns - much more creative than Richard.

yeah i mean robin has writing credits on 1 song compared to richards none.

Yeah, because Robin's solos in Street of Dreams, IRS, Chinese, TWAT and This I Love were written by Axl, right?

That's one of the worse comments to discredit a member I've ever saw.

robin is replacable. fortus is more than capable of playing robin's parts.

Again, no one is denying Fortus is capable of playing. But it's a matter of the way it sounds.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

You get a phone call from Josh for $50 or you can ask Robin if he's in or out of the band.....for $75K 


Take Shrooms and Cruise Hollywood in a Lamborghini

February 17, 2009

Josh Freese, journeyman drummer for Nine Inch Nails, Devo, A Perfect Circle, Sting, and the Vandals, has unveiled a unique promotional plan for his new solo album, Since 1972, which is available in stores on April 14. According to a press release that just went out, the album will be available in a total of eleven configurations, ranging in price from $7 to $75,000. At the low end of the scale is a simple digital download that includes three videos, while the $75,000 package includes such items as "Take a flying trapeze lesson with Josh and Robin from NIN, go back to Robins place afterwards and his wife will make you raw lasagna," "Take home any of his drumsets (only one but you can choose which one)," "Have Josh write, record and release a 5 song EP about you and your life story," and of course "Take shrooms and cruise Hollywood in Danny from TOOL's Lamborgini OR play quarters and then hop on the Ouija board for a while."

The full list, with all eleven price points, is included below.

JOSH FREESE: SINCE 1972

$7
-Digital Download of "Since 1972" (including 3 videos)

$15
-CD/DVD Double Disc Set
-Digital Download

$50
-CD/DVD Double Disc Set
-T-shirt
-"Thank You" phone call from Josh for buying Since 1972. You can tell him what you like about the record that you purchased, or what you thought sucked. Ask whatever you want, like "Is Maynard really THAT weird?" or "Which one of Sting's mansions has the comfiest beds?" or "Are Devo really Suburban Robots that monitor reality or just a bunch of Dads from Ohio?" or "Why don't the Vandals play more stuff off the first record?" It's your 5 minutes to yack it up. Talk about whatever you want.

$250 (limited edition of 25)
-Signed CD/DVD and digital download.
-T-shirt
-Signed Drum Head and Drumsticks.
-Go on a lunch date with Josh to PF Changs or The Cheesecake Factory (whatever you're into.)

$500 (limited edition of 15)
-Signed CD/DVD and digital download
-T-shirt
-Signed Cymbal and sticks
-Meet Josh in Venice, CA and go floating together in a Sensory deprivation tank (filmed and posted on youtube)
-Dinner at Sizzler (get your $8.99 Steak and "all you can eat" Shrimp on)

$1,000 (limited edition of 10)
-Signed CD/DVD and digital download.
-T-shirt
-Signed Cymbal, Drum head and Drumsticks.
-Josh washes your car OR does your laundry....or you can wash his car.
-Have dinner with Josh aboard the "Queen Mary" in Long Beach, CA
-Get drunk and cut each other's hair in the parking lot of the Long Beach courthouse (filmed and posted on youtube of course)

$2,500 (limited edition of 5)
-Signed CD/DVD and digital download.
-Get a private drum lesson with Josh or for all you non-drummers have him give you a back and foot massage (couples welcome)
-Pick any 1 member of the Vandals or DEVO (subject to availability) to accompany you and Josh to either the Hollywood Wax Museum or the lunch buffet at the "Spearmint Rhino"
-Signed DW snare drum.
-Take 3 items of your choice out of his closet (first come, first serve)
-Change diapers and make bottles with him for an afternoon (after hitting the strip club)

$5,000 (limited edition of 3)
-Signed CD/DVD and digital download.
-T-shirt
-Josh writes about a song about you and make available on iTunes.
-Co-direct a video with him for the song about you and throw it up on the youtubes.
-Josh gives you and a friend a private tour of Disneyland
-Get drunk together. If you don't drink we can go to my Dads place and hang out under the "Tuba tree"
-Stone from Pearl Jam will send you a letter telling you about his favorite song on "Since 1972"

$10,000 (limited edition of 1)
-Signed CD/DVD and digital download
-T-shirt
-Signed DW snare drum from A Perfect Circle's 2003 tour.
-Josh gives you a private drum lesson OR his and hers foot/back massage (couples welcome, discreet parking)
-Twiggy from Manson's band and Josh take you and a guest to Roscoe's Chicken n' Waffle in Long Beach for dinner.
-Josh takes you and guest to "Club 33" (the super-duper exclusive and private restaurant at Disneyland located above the Pirates Of The Caribbean) and then hit a couple rides afterwards (preferably the Tiki Room, Haunted Mansion and The Tower Of Terror)
-At the end of the day at Disneyland drive away in Josh's Volvo station wagon. It's all yours....take it. Just drop him off on your way home though please.

$20,000 (limited edition of 1)
-Signed CD/DVD and digital download.
-T-shirt
-A signed drum from the 2008 Nine Inch Nails tour.
-Maynard James Keenan, Mark from Devo and Josh take you miniature golfing and then drop you off on the side of the freeway (all filmed and posted on youtube)
-Josh gives you a tour of Long Beach. See his first apartment, the coffee shop on 2nd St where his buddy paid Dave Grohl $40 to rip up tile just weeks before joining "Nirvana." See the old Vandals rehearsal spot, the liquor store he got busted using a Fake I.D. at when he was 17 (it was Dave from the Vandals old ID). Go check out Snoop Dogg's high- school. For an extra 50 bucks see where Tom and Adrian from No Doubt live. For another $25 he'll show ya where Eric from NOFX and Brooks from Bad Religion get their hair cut.
-Spend the night aboard the Queen Mary and take the "Ghosts And Legends" tour. (separate rooms...no spooning.)
-Josh writes 2 songs about you and it's made available on iTUnes and appears on his next record (you can sing back up on em, clap, play the drums, triangle, whatever....)
-Drum lesson OR foot and back massage (once again...couples welcome and discreet parking available)
-Pick any 3 items out of Josh's closet.

$75,000 (limited edition of 1)
-Signed CD/DVD and digital download
-T-shirt
-Go on tour with Josh for a few days.
-Have Josh write, record and release a 5 song EP about you and your life story.
-Take home any of his drumsets (only one but you can choose which one.)
-Take shrooms and cruise Hollywood in Danny from TOOL's Lamborgini OR play quarters and then hop on the Ouija board for a while.
-Josh will join your band for a month...play shows, record, party with groupies, etc....
-If you don't have a band he'll be your personal assistant for a month (4 day work weeks, 10 am to 4 pm)
-Take a limo down to Tijuana and he'll show you how it's done (what that means exactly we can't legally get into here)
-If you don't live in Southern California (but are a US resident) he'll come to you and be your personal assistant/cabana boy for 2 weeks.
-Take a flying trapeze lesson with Josh and Robin from NIN, go back to Robins place afterwards and his wife will make you raw lasagna.

? Nate Seltenrich

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/blogs/take_shrooms_and_cruise_hollywood_in_a_lamborghini/Content?oid=927361


Didn't Axl mention something about a trapeze in Robin's backyard?