Robin leaving? Just touring?

[*Timothy*]

alright so Robin may tour but will not be apart of the promotion for what could be the first single....

[D]

I definitely agree that SR is reason to be excited. I guess I am not letting myself get too excited though just yet. It certainly feels right and like the time but I want to see how everything plays out.

[Jim Bob]

Jim Bob, I was making a point in that post u quoted and I am not regurgitating that point. I stand by my statement and just let it go.

and i'll say what I said before.   Robin Finck is a professional musican with amazing talent sought out by the likes of perfectionists like Trent Reznor and Axl Rose.   You are a middle aged average joe who posts his (crappy) songs on myspace.      stop bashing robin.

[D]

first, Im not middle aged

2nd name one hit the dude has written? Name one song where he wrote guitar,bass,drums,lyrics, arranging, producing all on equipment totaling 500 dollars with ZERO help from anybody.Exactly!

I have riffs that if pro producers and Axl Rose sang over, U would think i was a GOD so seriously, just stop.

Jim Bob, u really think your opinion is the be all end all? I seriously could care less what you "opinions" are. If a musician got offended and pissed everytime someone didnt like them, there wouldnt be any, so your opinion affects me "ZERO"


Once again, 4 times already people bring me into a conversation that isnt even about  me..........


SR is a Buckethead song right, it was selected for the "FIRST" single......... wonder if that made Robin mad??

just want to throw that new suggestion out there.

[*Timothy*]

D just start making crappy porn ...


we will get the answer to if robin is in / out sooner then later I hope.

[Jim Bob]

D thinks that he writes hit music and that Axl needs to give him a call 

All you do is talk shit about Robin, you bash him, you make dumb speculations, and you are delusional.

I have riffs that if pro producers and Axl Rose sang over, U would think i was a GOD so seriously, just stop.

keep posting your songs on myspace.   you never know when Axl or Trent might find your profile.

[jarmo]

2nd name one hit the dude has written? Name one song where he wrote guitar,bass,drums,lyrics, arranging, producing all on equipment totaling 500 dollars with ZERO help from anybody.Exactly!

We get it.

You're like Prince with a smaller budget and Robin is just an untalented guitar player.





/jarmo

[D]

I never said Robin was Untalented. He is a talented guy but he is a GUITAR player and everyone knows in music, its where u live and the breaks u make and get etc.

Living in a town with a population of 1,000 makes it impossible and I give credit to those who have the balls to move to LA or somewhere to make it.
U can listen to my crappy stuff on Myspace, Try "Concrete" which I did on the fly in one take no rehearsal, no planning, i hit play on a shitty drum machine and just started playing... every bit of it is spontaneous freestyle guitar playing.

now compare that to Robin's SCOM Intro solo and I dont think I am crazy or stupid at all. U should hear what I come up with when i actually sit down AND compose. Songs on MySpace are 10 years old  and I think they are pretty sweet.

so am I untalented? NO

am i unmotivated and scared to move to LA? SURE


Jim Bob, honestly, have u listened to NIN? their guitar parts are FUCKING EASY dude. seriously, anyone with a couple years of guitar playing could handle those no problem.


Once again though, this isnt about me, u keep bringing me into shit. 


lets keep talking about Robin and will he or won't he rejoin GNR after NIN's.

If I were betting, I'd say he is still in the band or we wouldve had some sort of announcement by now.

[Jim Bob]

have I listened to NIN     I've been listening to them almost as long as I've been listening to GnR and I know its not the most difficult stuff to play, some of the songs aren't even guitar driven.   He's not a technical player like Buckethead or Bumblefoot, but a lot of great guitarists aren't.    Robin DOES show he has technical ability when he's playing live with GnR.    And he has written music of hit potential.   His stuff in Better, TWAT, The Blues all stands right up there with all the best GnR guitar work.   Where Robin really shines is on the stage.. I really believe he is more about the live performance then anything.

Concerte is decent I guess man, but sorry its not even near the same league as Robin's SCOM intro.    I couldn't listen to more than 30 seconds of "alteration", but you are right, lets stay on topic
 
BTW, Robin is from Georgia, not LA.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

And again, still don't get all the "sky is falling" type of speculation.  NIN's current tour still has nothing scheduled beyond this year.  If CD comes out this year, common sense says it will be a late year release at this point.  They don't have to tour immediately after the release, in fact if it came out in November they would probably wait until after the holidays to start touring anyway

It would suck if Robin didn't come back, having seen him live with Guns and NIN he is very fun to watch and has a unique personality and style on stage.  But this thing is bigger than Robin.  So either he's back or he's not, I don't see it impacting an album release and live plans.  They'll do the only thing they can do which is move forward

[faldor]

And again, still don't get all the "sky is falling" type of speculation.  NIN's current tour still has nothing scheduled beyond this year.  If CD comes out this year, common sense says it will be a late year release at this point.  They don't have to tour immediately after the release, in fact if it came out in November they would probably wait until after the holidays to start touring anyway

It would suck if Robin didn't come back, having seen him live with Guns and NIN he is very fun to watch and has a unique personality and style on stage.  But this thing is bigger than Robin.  So either he's back or he's not, I don't see it impacting an album release and live plans.  They'll do the only thing they can do which is move forward

I think that's what people are coming to grips with, not so much "the sky is falling".  A lot of people probably thought, or at least hoped, that since the Rock Band release is a month away that that would kick things off for promotion for CD and a release shortly thereafter.  I'm not saying that's not gonna happen, but if Robin is on tour with NIN for the rest of the year I wouldn't think it'd be likely IF he was still a part of the band.  So while there is all the reason in the world to be excited that we will be hearing a new song in a month, the ultimate prize still seems a long way off.  That's all I'm saying.

[younggunner]

Of course not!

Never mind that the album being finished is the first requirement for its actual release!

 


Obviously trying to explain this to someone who thinks "90% done" or "almost done" is the same as finished seems like a waste of time....



This is exactly what I don't get with some of you.

You take something positive (in this case, getting a new track to listen to) and turn it into something you can whine about.

You just can't be happy and excited about something for too long before you have to start your fucking whining again.

It seems like it's almost like an addiction to some of you.....

The cake can be done and out of the oven but until the chef lets go its not ready. Until the label has Axls name on the dotted line and the masters in their control Axl is in full control. Its that simple.

Are things pointing in the right direction? Absolutely. Am I ecstatic over SR and what it COULD lead to? Absolutely.
But in order for my excitement not to come laughing back in my face I am taking a wait and see approach with this band. I am not going to get all wet and start busting out my Axl nut swinger glasses, and Chinese Democracy Starts Now!!! ranting and raving until I see an official statement from the record company and or band regarding the release of CD. And in that statement there must be a set album release date along with info on the first single and video dates.

There have been numerous times when we all thought that the timing was right and CD was on its way. But for whatever reason it hasnt happened.

So, yes, SR in a video game is great. But if its another "test" run from Axl then its something I do not wish to get overly excited about. If Axl is still in his stop n go, wait and see, lil bit at a time phase, test the waters stage,  then it just takes away the excitement and is wasting everyones time.

Im not whining about anything. If Axl has a wait and see approach with his music, why cant his fans have a wait and see approach?

If SR is the launching point for CD then Im all in. Where are the pom poms? Im down. Start up the street team cars, Ill drive.  But we dont even know if its the first single. It sure as hell doesnt appear like it will be. If it was they would have filmed or began filming  a video for it by now. But even if they wanted to they cant because their lead guitarist is touring with another band.

I just have a feeling that the negotiations for CD are still ongoing and still have not been completed. I just have a feeling that the masters havnt been turned over to the label yet. And most importantly I just have a feeling that SR is just a song for a video game. Its not the lead single nor is it a launching point for the RELEASE of CD. But then again, why would it be. That makes too much sense! I also have a feeling that Robins departure(whethere temporary or permanent) has delayed GNR in some capacity. WHich ultimately is not cool.

SR is a postive only if its the start of something....and soon.

I have not given up hope for an 08 release yet. I would expect major news right before, during, or shortly after the release of Rock Band. And if that doesnt happen my last personal deadline/expectation for news regarding CD would be mid October. That leaves them enough time to release CD in November or December.

Is all of that unfair Jarmo? What have I said in this last post that is unreasonable as a GNR fan? I would bet that 99% of the fan base expects CD out by Nov...Dec the latest. The media and general public probably think that SR IS the first single off of CD and will be anticipating CD soon. If they push this back AGAIN, then its just another twist in the story of CD and its fans and the excitement get zapped yet again.

I find it funny that you have a problem with some fans who have decided to take a wait and see approach.

[D]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_en_mu/blues_kid

axl could always hire this kid if things dont work out



Jim Bob, I'll take your "decent" as a compliment.

[Christos AG]

I have riffs that if pro producers and Axl Rose sang over, U would think i was a GOD so seriously, just stop.

Using phrases like this, doesn't really help your case, you know, the whole "don't bring me and my music into this conversation" thing...

Jim Bob, u really think your opinion is the be all end all? I seriously could care less what you "opinions" are. If a musician got offended and pissed everytime someone didnt like them, there wouldnt be any, so your opinion affects me "ZERO"

Let me correct you on that. Not everybody who THINKS he/she is a musician, is actually a musician.

You might think that what you're "composing" is great and all, and some friends and relatives might make you think you're GOD, but that's not true all the time...

You might be "composing" the worst shit anyone has ever "composed" and think you're a musician...

These next 2 videos are for educational purposes only... DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME...


Friends And Relatives...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLa8Br569gA


JUST SAY NO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKDna5jUfCw

Living in a town with a population of 1,000 makes it impossible and I give credit to those who have the balls to move to LA or somewhere to make it.
U can listen to my crappy stuff on Myspace, Try "Concrete" which I did on the fly in one take no rehearsal, no planning, i hit play on a shitty drum machine and just started playing... every bit of it is spontaneous freestyle guitar playing.

now compare that to Robin's SCOM Intro solo and I dont think I am crazy or stupid at all. U should hear what I come up with when i actually sit down AND compose. Songs on MySpace are 10 years old  and I think they are pretty sweet.

so am I untalented? NO

am i unmotivated and scared to move to LA? SURE

Not helping yourself by answering your own questions about being TALENTED... I believe that's for other people to judge...

Not trying to be the bad guy here... It's just that you should leave your music do the talking instead of saying things that will hurt your image later...

[jarmo]

I find it funny that you have a problem with some fans who have decided to take a wait and see approach.

No, I have that attitude myself.

I'm excited about the song coming out next month.

But I'm not using that event as an excuse, or reason, to start speculating about how it's gonna be something negative.


That's the difference.



/jarmo

[younggunner]

wow, you didnt pick apart my post. Ill assume you agree with my general theme.

Will you feel let down if SR is not the start of CD?

[jarmo]

wow, you didnt pick apart my post. Ill assume you agree with my general theme.

Assume all you want.

The fact is, I didn't feel like wasting time on it at the time.


You keep saying "we thought the timing was right".

Well that was you making assumptions. Not the band.

That was basically you assuming you knew what was right for the band and it turned out you were wrong.....

Will you feel let down if SR is not the start of CD?

What?

You mean "would I feel let down by making assumptions and blaming the band for expectations I created?".


Shackler's Revenge will be out in Rock Band 2 next month. That's what I'm excited about now.

Whatever happens after that, I don't "worry" about at this point.

The album will be out as soon as everything is in place.





I don't even know what "the start of CD" is.

As far as I'm concerned, the journey started already.

Maybe you refer to the final destination of the journey, the release itself?



Since you're so good at assuming and knowing what's right for the band, how come you didn't think of the scenario that Shackler's Revenge is a track in a video game. Something new to listen to, something new to talk about and just enjoy it for that alone?

I'm not saying that it won't be the first single because I don't know. I'm saying, why not just take it for what we know it is, instead of assuming all kinds of stuff?


It's like when the band announces a show. Why not just take it for what it is, an opportunity to see the band live on stage again, instead of assuming it's something else....





/jarmo

[younggunner]

You keep saying "we thought the timing was right".

Well that was you making assumptions. Not the band.

That was basically you assuming you knew what was right for the band and it turned out you were wrong.....

A zillion other fans were wrong as well. And o yea, many band members including Axl were wrong as well.

You might be the only person who hasnt been wrong. For that, on behalf of the gnr fan community, I commend you for your outstanding record of always being right and never being let down. Your pencil is in the mail.

What?

You mean "would I feel let down by making assumptions and blaming the band for expectations I created?".

So I guess we shouldnt create or have any expectations?

I don't even know what "the start of CD" is.

A press release from the band and or label stating the release date along with announcements on the single and music video. That would be considered the start of CD.

Or simply, SR could be the start of CD. It could be the lead single and be followed by an announcement. That would be deamed a sufficent starting point as well.

Since you're so good at assuming and knowing what's right for the band, how come you didn't think of the scenario that Shackler's Revenge is a track in a video game. Something new to listen to, something new to talk about and just enjoy it for that alone?

I am assuming that. That is what I said in my post. I am taking a guarded approach and not jumping the gun like 99% of the fan base is doing. I unfortunately am I expecting SR to be asong for a video game and nothing more.

I have half of CD to listen to. I dont want another song off of CD. Enough is enough. I want to be a little surprised when the album comes out. If SR is on CD, and its not coming out anytime soon, I would vote for it not to be on the game.

Imagine if we havnt heard any of the new songs yet? How amazing would that CD experience be?

I'm saying, why not just take it for what we know it is, instead of assuming all kinds of stuff?

Because when your band doesnt fill you in on info, all you have are assumptions/expectations.

It's like when the band announces a show. Why not just take it for what it is, an opportunity to see the band live on stage again, instead of assuming it's something else....

Because the majority arent interested in a GNR live show. The majority want to begin the CD era. The majority want to be able to play CD in mastered form. The majority want to go to a live show but hear new music and not the same set list.



 

[ppbebe]

We are so out for shackler's revenge. why you're not? because reportedly  it's a bucket song?

[jarmo]

You might be the only person who hasnt been wrong. For that, on behalf of the gnr fan community, I commend you for your outstanding record of always being right and never being let down. Your pencil is in the mail.

I've been wrong about things.

The difference is that I don't necessarily see myself as some kind of adviser for the band, a person who knows when the timing is right or who should be in the band etc.

Why you ask? Because I don't have all the facts needed to make that kind of assumptions.

It's easy to give advice on shit you know very little about and then whine about them not doing what you suggested.

At the end of the day, everything has an explanation, or in many cases, explanations.


For example, right now you could say the timing is right because of the Olympics in China. Olympics -> China -> Chinese Democracy -> release the album WOOOOO!

It's not that simple...

So I guess we shouldnt create or have any expectations?

Depends on what kind of expectations.

You go see GN'R live, you should expect a great show.

Having a new song in a video game, maybe you shouldn't expect your life to change dramatically. In case it doesn't...

A press release from the band and or label stating the release date along with announcements on the single and music video. That would be considered the start of CD.

So a single announcement with just a release date wouldn't be enough?

Or simply, SR could be the start of CD. It could be the lead single and be followed by an announcement. That would be deamed a sufficent starting point as well.

Well the way I see it, as I explained already, it's a new song. It'll be cool to hear it.

When the album is ready to be released, it'll be exciting times as well.

I am assuming that. That is what I said in my post. I am taking a guarded approach and not jumping the gun like 99% of the fan base is doing. I unfortunately am I expecting SR to be asong for a video game and nothing more.

You're not doing that. You're doing the opposite of what those "99%" are doing.

They build expectations on their own.

You on the other hand, fear "the worst".

It's kinda the opposite.

You almost take something positive and twist into meaning something negative.

Like: "Great, we get a new song, but the album's not coming out".

Basically when you have to add that "but", it becomes something different.

Imagine if we havnt heard any of the new songs yet? How amazing would that CD experience be?

You only have yourself to blame. Nobody else.

Because when your band doesnt fill you in on info, all you have are assumptions/expectations.

No. Every time we have had some kind of announcement, people have taken things out of context.

Because the majority arent interested in a GNR live show. The majority want to begin the CD era. The majority want to be able to play CD in mastered form. The majority want to go to a live show but hear new music and not the same set list.

That wasn't my point at all. I was giving you an example of taking something for what it is and not twisting it around to mean shit it doesn't.




Besides, I don't agree.

The real fans want to see GN'R and Axl. Period.

They support the band through everything.

They don't have all kinds of requirements for their support.






/jarmo