Robin leaving? Just touring?

[leatherebel]

What exactly did Trent do this time around to fuck with GN'R fans?

Aren't we being a little too sensitive here? What Trent did in the past was pretty amusing and should probably be taken with humor.

Now, how can we demand that GN'R members hold themselves accountable in their actions, give explanations and even appologies, and try not to hurt the feelings of the sensitive GN'R fans? It would be nice, but we can't ask for that.

On the other hand, these members have exactly that responsibility to the band, if they still want to be part of it.

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

Jarmo can't you lock this thread until further notice, unlock once GN'R make a comment.

Why?  What's the point?  Unless it's full of illegal links or hardcore porn, any discussion about a member of the band - especially this one - keeps people talking on the forum.  I for one think it's a topic worth keeping open.  So much speculation, and so many people discussing Robin.  Isn't it a good thing?

After 70+ pages of speculation (incorporating 28000+ views) I think 99% of all possible angles have been covered thoroughly Which post is closest to reality is any bodies guess 


Here's an idea for a new topic: GN'R speculation
Has Axl written or considered writing a song about people on forums.
The types that could be labeled as GN'R Speculative Investigators, aka the GSI 

All of the band members (GN'R) are currently doing their own random projects, but because this is Robin and NIN everything changes because of their history

Let us be clear though. Robin has not intimated at any point that he has left GN'R, so there should be no reason to worry. Because Robin has 'rejoined' NIN for the moment, the press coverage of this will obviously promote NIN and their future endeavours, so Robin, NIN and whoever else will not act in any manner to stop this happening because, of course,  it benefits them, and as we all know, any promo is normally good promo.

Obviously if Guns were to become active then that would leave Robin with decisions to make, but I personally think would he would choose GN'R given the time and effort he has put into it them. I think, given the fact that NIN world tours tend to be short affairs anyway, Robin sees this whole thing as an educated gamble.

Thanks Mysteron.  I think further speculation at this point is unwise.  I too think its a safe bet that Robin can get through a tour before he's needed back in GN'R.  I'm not expecting CD this summer.  If they wait til after the summer then expect it November at earliest.  Its the most anticipated release of all time which I would think deserves a release during the holiday rush.

[LeftToDecay]

What exactly did Trent do this time around to fuck with GN'R fans?

You don't seem to understand the very obvious fact Gypsy and Mysteron and few others are trying to tell you here.
Since your reading comprehension blows, maybe this highly detailed picture I created clears things up for ya:







Surely Trent Reznor isn't, say, glad to be able to announce his liveband to fans of Nin, when he announces his band on nin.com. No no, it's Trent " fucking with GNR fans"

There is absoutely NO reason to assume that Trent Reznor isn't spending every single minute of his life obsessing about GNR just like we do;
He DID post a picture or 2 saying " chinese democracy"  at nin.com. Nevermind the fact that they must have posted several hundreds of random photographs in Nin.com over the years. Some for laughs, some serious, some meaningless, some plain stupid. No, we can ignore that. Let's build on foundation that Trent is 100% obsessed with GNR!
I mean, is there any other reason he would dare to announce the set up of his live band?I sure as hell can't think of any?


....Let's try not to forget that world really doesn't give a fuck here. Random Joe the average rock fan hasn't learned/realized/accepted that Robin Finck is in GNR. Same Joe doesn't give a flying fuck wether he is out or not.
Onlyones who care about this are the few thousand loyalists who habit boards like HTGTH and MYGNR and whatnot.

Mysteron's " all promotion is good promotion thus Robin isn't speaking!" - theory sounds far fetched at best.
World really isn't holding her breath here.
...but fans of newGNR are. Which is why it would be really fucking nice and fair if Robin could say SOMETHING.
There are 100 subtle ways he could kill all these rumors off, 90 of them take less than 2 minutes. It's odd he doesn't.

[jarmo]

I think the point was, that people seem to have missed, was that Robin didn't tell his fans what his plans were until after Trent had done so.

It's a bit like getting a new job, and instead of telling people yourself, you just let your new boss tell everybody "hey, we hired that guy now!".





/jarmo

[LeftToDecay]

I think the point was, that people seem to have missed, was that Robin didn't tell his fans what his plans were until after Trent had done so.

It's a bit like getting a new job, and instead of telling people yourself, you just let your new boss tell everybody "hey, we hired that guy now!".



/jarmo

Yeah that makes sense. Then again it doesn't prevent Robin from making some simple clarification in any way.
I'm sure he could have beaten TR to it had he wanted to. He's had about 2  weeks of time to clear things up? It's  is fucking odd he has opted not to.
No one is expecting some long emo essay livejournal bullshit about the matter, or some hastily written tell all-confessional.there's million small little tasty things he could have done.. and just..opts not to. it's just odd.

say:

"R                      o    b  i     
n  here It's exiting  to be in nin blah blah, here are tourdates blah blah new site soon blah blah"

[Direct link to nin's official site]    [Direct link to GNR official site]


And there ya go. that would have been enough to kill some of the speculation and GNR fans fears  right there. But noo. nothing.

[leatherebel]

Ummmm, your map is confusing....NIN in Arizona 
Damn, I had no idea about Trent's life obsession.....  

And Robin, well, he did update HIS fans. That update wasn't really fair towards fans he has only through GN'R, but hey, does he care? Let's just hope he updated his former employer and friends before they found out from elsewhere....which is questionable at best.

[cineater]

Yeah I don't get the map either and I'm usually pretty good at the visual stuff. 

[HBK]

Jarmo can't you lock this thread until further notice, unlock once GN'R make a comment.

Why?  What's the point?  Unless it's full of illegal links or hardcore porn, any discussion about a member of the band - especially this one - keeps people talking on the forum.  I for one think it's a topic worth keeping open.  So much speculation, and so many people discussing Robin.  Isn't it a good thing?

After 70+ pages of speculation (incorporating 28000+ views) I think 99% of all possible angles have been covered thoroughly Which post is closest to reality is any bodies guess 


Here's an idea for a new topic: GN'R speculation
Has Axl written or considered writing a song about people on forums.
The types that could be labeled as GN'R Speculative Investigators, aka the GSI 

All of the band members (GN'R) are currently doing their own random projects, but because this is Robin and NIN everything changes because of their history

Let us be clear though. Robin has not intimated at any point that he has left GN'R, so there should be no reason to worry. Because Robin has 'rejoined' NIN for the moment, the press coverage of this will obviously promote NIN and their future endeavours, so Robin, NIN and whoever else will not act in any manner to stop this happening because, of course,  it benefits them, and as we all know, any promo is normally good promo.

Obviously if Guns were to become active then that would leave Robin with decisions to make, but I personally think would he would choose GN'R given the time and effort he has put into it them. I think, given the fact that NIN world tours tend to be short affairs anyway, Robin sees this whole thing as an educated gamble.

EXcelent Post. I Says Ever:

" ROBIN, RICHARD, BBFT, DIZZY Is GUNS N 'ROSES "

For The Moment touch Them With their projects, it is normal ... ARTISTS Them. AXL In 2007 Record Whit BAZ, AND ?

   

HBK *

[monkeychow]

Yeah but Axl recording with Baz was like a casual spur of the moment thing that took 1 afternoon from the way Baz seems to describe it in interviews. It was a friend helping out another with a bit of vocals on a record. In no way would it cause people to think that CD was abandoned or even delayed because of it.

Its not really comprable with Robin hitting the road with a rival band with the publicity and fanbase that NiN generates. Especially given historicly robin has previously "quit" GNR for this band. I'm not saying he is gone - i'm saying its not a stretch for people to panic in the absence of a proper clarification from either Robin or GNR managment.

I'd guess that maybe Robin is just hoping that he can fit in a world tour with NIN while the business detials deadlock or whatever is going on between Axl and the label is sorted out. Given delays of 12 months or more with no updates arn't uncommon in GNR history - he has a fair chance of getting away with it too. Although I still think it would be rude of him to go do it without making sure the band knew what he was up to.

[cyllan]

Thank you, monkey, for posting exactly what's going through my mind, and doing it in a far less rambling and convoluted way than I would have done!   

I agree with you 100% on this and strongly hope that Robin's gamble pays off and that he's back on stage with Guns when the next tour kicks off.   

[misterID]

Seeing that Robin is a huge part of this band, and there seems to be a few people here who dislike his playing, why the fuck are you wasting your time waiting for this album? 

Aaron North (NIN guitarist) is now touring with his new band Jubilee. Seeing that he played on The Fragile? and Robin took his spot on that tour, this is probably the same sort of thing here. I just wish "they" would clarify it.

Aaron never played on The Fragile. He played on With Teeth and Year Zero maybe but definitely not The Fragile.

So he was making it up when he said some of his best work on The Fragile? was left off the album?

[gunns1]

I think the point was, that people seem to have missed, was that Robin didn't tell his fans what his plans were until after Trent had done so.

It's a bit like getting a new job, and instead of telling people yourself, you just let your new boss tell everybody "hey, we hired that guy now!".





/jarmo

Robin doesn't appear to be able to say anything on GN'R
Maybe these rules apply to him also with NIN.
He lets the lead singers do the talking. Robin focuses on guitar.

Robin rarely says anything in regards to gnr to communicate with the fans,
I think the talking will be done on either trents or axls/dels side...

and so this thread continues

[Death Cube K]

Yeah but Axl recording with Baz was like a casual spur of the moment thing that took 1 afternoon from the way Baz seems to describe it in interviews. It was a friend helping out another with a bit of vocals on a record. In no way would it cause people to think that CD was abandoned or even delayed because of it.

Its not really comprable with Robin hitting the road with a rival band with the publicity and fanbase that NiN generates. Especially given historicly robin has previously "quit" GNR for this band. I'm not saying he is gone - i'm saying its not a stretch for people to panic in the absence of a proper clarification from either Robin or GNR managment.

I'd guess that maybe Robin is just hoping that he can fit in a world tour with NIN while the business detials deadlock or whatever is going on between Axl and the label is sorted out. Given delays of 12 months or more with no updates arn't uncommon in GNR history - he has a fair chance of getting away with it too. Although I still think it would be rude of him to go do it without making sure the band knew what he was up to.

Finally someone who speaks logic and not bullshit.

Prepare for another 2 year wait. 


I can't help but laugh at GNR's way of communicating. They're denying silly rumours about a reality show but have no clue about their own guitarist and what he's up to and can only sit and watch fan forums generating 80 pages of discussion on it.

[cyllan]

I can't help but laugh at GNR's way of communicating. They're denying silly rumours about a reality show but have no clue about their own guitarist and what he's up to and can only sit and watch fan forums generating 80 pages of discussion on it.

Silly rumour or not, it needed quashing if it was untrue because of the way it'd spread to general media sites; once there, there's far more potential for damaging publicity if the rumour starts being taken as fact.

The situation with Robin is different - being kept more or less in-house (fan forums) and really only of interest to fans of the band.  And, of course, all the other reasons already discussed as to why there's been no official statement from the Guns camp yet...

[whiny]

i think that robin is keeping himself two doors open: his way of communicating (that reflects a very non-committal behaviour) is not nice towards the gnr-fans, but understandable. he seems to be in a "wait and see"-mode for more or less good reasons. it almost appears as if robin doesn't want to fall out of favor neither with axl nor with trent. if nothing happens concerning the release of cd any time soon, it's likely that he'll be collaborating with nin in the future (and not only tour with them). contributing in the studio (or even writing songs with nin) would be a logical step to take, to move forward in his carreer (instead of sitting around or touring the greatest hits again). sadly, that might imply leaving gnr for good.

on the other hand, if things work out fine with gnr and geffen (and there's no "fiona apple scenario"), robin is well advised to decide differently (like mysteron said). regarding the fact that saying goodbye to gnr (after he's worked on an album for 10 years) would be the most stupid idea at that point, i believe robin will do the right thing.

i don't know if he is also pressuring axl by playing this "game". but psychologically, his commitment to tour with nin reminds me of lighting a cigarette in a restaurant, while you're waiting for your meal that just doesn't come. that moment you exhale, your steak is finally being served. i truly hope that this is robins way of tricking life and bringing cd closer. oh god, that sounds desperate...

[babydolls]

Yeah but Axl recording with Baz was like a casual spur of the moment thing that took 1 afternoon from the way Baz seems to describe it in interviews. It was a friend helping out another with a bit of vocals on a record. In no way would it cause people to think that CD was abandoned or even delayed because of it.

Its not really comprable with Robin hitting the road with a rival band with the publicity and fanbase that NiN generates. Especially given historicly robin has previously "quit" GNR for this band. I'm not saying he is gone - i'm saying its not a stretch for people to panic in the absence of a proper clarification from either Robin or GNR managment.

I'd guess that maybe Robin is just hoping that he can fit in a world tour with NIN while the business detials deadlock or whatever is going on between Axl and the label is sorted out. Given delays of 12 months or more with no updates arn't uncommon in GNR history - he has a fair chance of getting away with it too. Although I still think it would be rude of him to go do it without making sure the band knew what he was up to."

A good surmise of the epic proportions of the thread.  I've been away and am catching up on this discussion.  Knickers are certainly in more twists by the fact that NIN are obviously a bigger machine than Hookers and blow, for example, and the way in which this update has arisen.  Seems that Robin is able and appeared willing to slot in some NIN live dates whilst GnR are in negociations with the bigger picture of the album release.  We know that may take time and also when released, am sure live Guns dates would follow in time - but not necessarily in conjunction with the release - we still have no idea what form the promotion and release will take - so we'll have to wait and see.  Robin may have already contributed to some form of promotion for the album for all we know. It would be a great shame in my mind that fellow GnR members were not kept in Robin's loop - as I would see that as courtesy to what has come across as a tight-knit gang for the past couple of years. but again - we don't know what has gone down with the other members, and especially Axl.   I only wish that Robin's "further dates" with NIN are not too many, as selfishly - I want to see him playing with GnR again as soon as possible!





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[cyllan]

i truly hope that this is robins way of tricking life and bringing cd closer. oh god, that sounds desperate...

Don't worry you're not alone!      

[chineseblues]

Seeing that Robin is a huge part of this band, and there seems to be a few people here who dislike his playing, why the fuck are you wasting your time waiting for this album? 

Aaron North (NIN guitarist) is now touring with his new band Jubilee. Seeing that he played on The Fragile? and Robin took his spot on that tour, this is probably the same sort of thing here. I just wish "they" would clarify it.

Aaron never played on The Fragile. He played on With Teeth and Year Zero maybe but definitely not The Fragile.

So he was making it up when he said some of his best work on The Fragile? was left off the album?

It was a joke....

[greendog]

Seeing that Robin is a huge part of this band, and there seems to be a few people here who dislike his playing, why the fuck are you wasting your time waiting for this album? 

Aaron North (NIN guitarist) is now touring with his new band Jubilee. Seeing that he played on The Fragile? and Robin took his spot on that tour, this is probably the same sort of thing here. I just wish "they" would clarify it.

Aaron never played on The Fragile. He played on With Teeth and Year Zero maybe but definitely not The Fragile.

So he was making it up when he said some of his best work on The Fragile? was left off the album?

He said some of Trents best work was on the unheard Fragile tracks.

[HBK]

This Is Promotion By Tour NIN... Not GNR.

 

HBK *