Robin leaving? Just touring?

[busngabb]

53 pages ?

 

Is anyone bored yet ?

Not really. Robin was the main reason I am still interested in this sorry tale. I was incredibly impressed when I saw him live twice with GNR.

The prospect of watching this band, sans Robin, live does not appeal to me much at all. Without Finck the band just seems lifeless and dull.

I've got a radical idea for Axl. Instead of spending another year finding a new guitarist or trying to get Finck back by buying him skirts from Algeria like he did with dolls from Bulgaria with Buckethead, why not just release the album? Releasing an album is not a hard thing to do. It could be done in 2 months, hell it could be out electronically next week if the rumours about it being finished are not lies.

Why not?

[busngabb]

Really though.

If we could just get a definite answer from any number of sources this wouldn't be an issue.

B-ingo. If the situation isn't clear, it doesn't matter either. Just say "As far as we know Robin is still in GNR but we've not heard from him" or "Robin has notified us he's quit and we are trying to get him back" or "Robin is just touring and will be back in 2015 when we tour again". Whichever one is the truth, just use it.

But as ever all we get is an inflated sense of importance and a shroud of silence and secrecy.

It doesn't even have to be a press release. Just an email to Jarmo and the mods of a few other forums saying "Post this in a sticky, Robin update. He's in/out till we return/out [delete as appropriate]".

[greendog]

Really though.

If we could just get a definite answer from any number of sources this wouldn't be an issue.

True, but to be honest I doubt he's 'left' Guns.

Rons working on his album, no worries there.
Richard did some touring with X Japan, no worries there.
Frank did some touring, no worries there.
Tommy did his album and toured, no worries there.
Dizzy toured, no worries there.

All of the above include other bands. Granted, non are as big as NIN, but that shouldn't matter. Especially since Trent doesn't have a band for the studio, only for touring.

Maybe nothings been said because theres nothing to be said. People are just getting overly paranoid. In my opinion.

[Nytunz]

Really though.

If we could just get a definite answer from any number of sources this wouldn't be an issue.

True, but to be honest I doubt he's 'left' Guns.

Rons working on his album, no worries there.
Richard did some touring with X Japan, no worries there.
Frank did some touring, no worries there.
Tommy did his album and toured, no worries there.
Dizzy toured, no worries there.

All of the above include other bands. Granted, non are as big as NIN, but that shouldn't matter. Especially since Trent doesn't have a band for the studio, only for touring.

Maybe nothings been said because theres nothing to be said. People are just getting overly paranoid. In my opinion.

Research!
People. I really dont think Robin is gone from Guns N Roses. He is just doing som recordings.
This is important! Do you remember what Trent said in September last year??? He kicked all of his bandmembers
out of the live line-up, including Josh Freese. He wanted to do tone down the liveshows. This could mean, that
Robin is just recording material that Trent is going to use on his next tour. He may be not using Robin live "in person"

take a look at this quote from Trent, 6 months ago..

Nine Inch Nails is all about Trent Reznor. But he has always had a backing band since the beginning to tour with him. His current line up, which includes bassist Jeordie White, guitarist Aaron North, keyboardist Alessandro Cortini, and drummer Josh Freese will be disbanded on their last stop in Honolulu, Hawaii.

 
Reznor went on to explain his actions: "At this point, I want to switch things around a bit. Nine Inch Nails as a rock band configuration, we've done it and we've done it again. I see other ways I can present the material in concert, more challenging, something new. I don't want it to go stale."

and he went on..

"The idea of five guys playing loud music two hours, while it's the culmination of fine tuning over a lot of years, has got to change once finances come into play, especially performing in markets outside of the mainland U.S. I want to whittle things down."

Source: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/nins_lineup_breaks_up.html

If this still is Trent`s plan, witch is see now reason why i shouldent be.. i think we all can calm down!

Nytunz

from what this article says.. he may do it the other way this time.. Band for recording, and no band on tour..

but yeah.. i agree with people saying no worrys!"

[cyllan]

Really though.

If we could just get a definite answer from any number of sources this wouldn't be an issue.

B-ingo. If the situation isn't clear, it doesn't matter either. Just say "As far as we know Robin is still in GNR but we've not heard from him" or "Robin has notified us he's quit and we are trying to get him back" or "Robin is just touring and will be back in 2015 when we tour again". Whichever one is the truth, just use it.

But if you think about it, the silence is telling us that the issue hasn't been resolved, so why do we need a statement to say this.  When a decision has been reached, I'm sure that we'll be told.

But as ever all we get is an inflated sense of importance and a shroud of silence and secrecy.

Like I said before, not everyone wants things played out in the public arena, and perhaps this is one of those situations that are best dealt with on a personal level.

[busngabb]

Really though.

If we could just get a definite answer from any number of sources this wouldn't be an issue.

True, but to be honest I doubt he's 'left' Guns.

Rons working on his album, no worries there.
Richard did some touring with X Japan, no worries there.
Frank did some touring, no worries there.
Tommy did his album and toured, no worries there.
Dizzy toured, no worries there.

All of the above include other bands. Granted, non are as big as NIN, but that shouldn't matter. Especially since Trent doesn't have a band for the studio, only for touring.

Maybe nothings been said because theres nothing to be said. People are just getting overly paranoid. In my opinion.

Not really, because if it is just him simply touring as a side project, it still means there will be no movement by GNR for another 6 months or so. That is what is really disappointing.

Whether he has left or not, this news is awful because it means we get no album and no tour. Still think it's nothing to worry about?

[gunns1]

Really though.

If we could just get a definite answer from any number of sources this wouldn't be an issue.

B-ingo. If the situation isn't clear, it doesn't matter either. Just say "As far as we know Robin is still in GNR but we've not heard from him" or "Robin has notified us he's quit and we are trying to get him back" or "Robin is just touring and will be back in 2015 when we tour again". Whichever one is the truth, just use it.

But if you think about it, the silence is telling us that the issue hasn't been resolved, so why do we need a statement to say this.  When a decision has been reached, I'm sure that we'll be told.

But as ever all we get is an inflated sense of importance and a shroud of silence and secrecy.

Like I said before, not everyone wants things played out in the public arena, and perhaps this is one of those situations that are best dealt with on a personal level.

The No News is Good News doesnt apply in this situation,

It would actually look better for the fans perspective if they just give us an update to put speculation and rumours at rest ,
 especially if Robin hasnt left gnr, that way all this crap could be sorted out before things get any more out of hand...

[trentreznor]

Robin will PROBABLY be VERY BUSY for a VERY long time when information surfaces as to his upcoming schedule. Robin does not join bands on a whim

[busngabb]

Really though.

If we could just get a definite answer from any number of sources this wouldn't be an issue.

B-ingo. If the situation isn't clear, it doesn't matter either. Just say "As far as we know Robin is still in GNR but we've not heard from him" or "Robin has notified us he's quit and we are trying to get him back" or "Robin is just touring and will be back in 2015 when we tour again". Whichever one is the truth, just use it.

But if you think about it, the silence is telling us that the issue hasn't been resolved, so why do we need a statement to say this.  When a decision has been reached, I'm sure that we'll be told.

But as ever all we get is an inflated sense of importance and a shroud of silence and secrecy.

Like I said before, not everyone wants things played out in the public arena, and perhaps this is one of those situations that are best dealt with on a personal level.

We were last notified on the status of the band or the album in December 06 I think when we got the tentative release date of March 2007. It's now April 2008 and we no nothing we didn't know then.

I could understand what you are saying if this was a rationally managed band, but it's not. A month of silence while the issue is sorted out would be  understandable if we then found out the outcome.

Knowing the recent history of the band we could easily be looking at another year of silence.

Compared to our 'off the field lives' and family and stuff this is a non-issue and before anyone suggests it I am more than living my life. It's just silly that they are carrying this on in this manner. Why string people along in the belief the band will ever become active again?

[cyllan]

The No News is Good News doesnt apply in this situation,

It would actually look better for the fans perspective if they just give us an update to put speculation and rumours at rest ,
 especially if Robin hasnt left gnr, that way all this crap could be sorted out before things get any more out of hand...

You must be having a laugh if you think that an update is going to put paid to the speculation and rumours.  Even when we get a definitive answer, either in or out, that in itself will stimulate further discussion, so just imagine what a 'we're working on things and will get back to you' kind of update would do.

[misterID]

You can get immediate confirmation that a reality show or tour isn't in the works, but there's no one who can seem to answer if a band member is still part of the band. That strikes me as a pretty big detachment. That's not a leap, that's looking at the subject objectively. I would love to be wrong on this though, but I really thought there would be an official answer about this a couple days ago. But if its being reported in more than one media outlet that Robin has left, I think the GNR camp would want to address this. Wouldn't you?

Not necessarily, no, not if the situation hasn't been resolved.  For all we know, and as I posted a little earlier, Axl may not be in a hurry to officially end the working relationship between Robin and GNR, and maybe they both prefer to keep their discussions private and not play it out in a very public internet spat.  (Unlike another recent band...  )

I really believe that Axl was sincere when he talked about the album being a collaborative process and the importance of building good relationships within GNR, and that he genuinely wants those people who put their heart and soul into the music to have their contributions acknowledged and their talents respected.  So, although this may be a difficult situation, it's possible that he doesn't yet consider it irretrievable and is doing what he can to get the best possible outcome for GNR, including Robin, and also for us, the fans.

So, although like everyone, I am anxious for information, I've reached the point where I can accept the silence and trust that things are being worked out behind the scenes in order to maintain the dignity, and dare I say integrity, of all concerned.

I could accept the silence, too, like six years ago.

I really believe that Axl wants to release it as soon as possible. I think he wanted to release last year. But that's just my opinion.

It could be that Robin did leave and Axl is negotiating getting him back. Or this is nothing. And that's the thing that sucks, we just don't know.

The worst is that everything was moving so good and actually looking positive. That's what sucks the most. I guess those of us who've been here for a while, and are used to this one step forward two steps back track record, have been waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[Ali]

Del emailed a GnR Bar community member and said:

Only Robin knows what the hell he's doing.

Take care,
Del

That also could be interpreted as "Why are you asking me what Robin is doing?  He's the one who should be asked that question."  I see it as more of a dismissive answer rather than a revealing answer in any way.

Ali

You are perfectly free to interpret that way, however the reply seems to fit into the notion that the GnR camp did not know or willing to admit knowledge of any plan for Robin to return to NIN. 

Do you really think Del James would give any indication of the status of the situation in an e-mail to a member of the GN'R Bar? 

I really don't.  I think that's more of a dismissive, "don't bother me with that question" type of response.

Ali

But that's the point, he doesn't give any status report because he doesn't know.

But, does he not give any insight because he does not know or because he won't say?  I say given the amount of time he's been close to GN'R and Axl (apparently), I'd say the latter.

Ali

[trentreznor]

It could be that Robin did leave and Axl is negotiating getting him back.

 

Don't hold your breath on that

[DeN]

who is this trentreznor troll ?

[busngabb]

who is this trentreznor troll ?

The secret is in the name. I've read the Da Vinci Code and I can solve puzzles like this.

Could 'trentreznor' actually be Trent Reznor of NIN?

He is IT literate and would love to torture GNR fans.

[jarmo]

Maybe there's no announcement because none is really needed right now?

If you think about it, it makes sense.

The people who need to know and be assured, even when the band is on a break are the fans. But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.

GN'R isn't touring or recording at the moment. The rest of the band are doing their own things so obviously GN'R isn't "in need", so to speak, of any guitarists at the moment.

Ron and Richard are both busy elsewhere.


Once there's a change to this, I'm sure we'll know what GN'R's plans are.

Unless Robin says something before that.


As an example, Ron wasn't announced as Buckethead's replacement until the tour started.






/jarmo

[russtcb]

Really though.

If we could just get a definite answer from any number of sources this wouldn't be an issue.

B-ingo. If the situation isn't clear, it doesn't matter either. Just say "As far as we know Robin is still in GNR but we've not heard from him" or "Robin has notified us he's quit and we are trying to get him back" or "Robin is just touring and will be back in 2015 when we tour again". Whichever one is the truth, just use it.

But if you think about it, the silence is telling us that the issue hasn't been resolved, so why do we need a statement to say this.  When a decision has been reached, I'm sure that we'll be told.

But as ever all we get is an inflated sense of importance and a shroud of silence and secrecy.

Like I said before, not everyone wants things played out in the public arena, and perhaps this is one of those situations that are best dealt with on a personal level.

The No News is Good News doesnt apply in this situation,

Exactly.

Anyone remember the last time a guitarist left this band?

[jarmo]

Really though.

If we could just get a definite answer from any number of sources this wouldn't be an issue.

B-ingo. If the situation isn't clear, it doesn't matter either. Just say "As far as we know Robin is still in GNR but we've not heard from him" or "Robin has notified us he's quit and we are trying to get him back" or "Robin is just touring and will be back in 2015 when we tour again". Whichever one is the truth, just use it.

But if you think about it, the silence is telling us that the issue hasn't been resolved, so why do we need a statement to say this.  When a decision has been reached, I'm sure that we'll be told.

But as ever all we get is an inflated sense of importance and a shroud of silence and secrecy.

Like I said before, not everyone wants things played out in the public arena, and perhaps this is one of those situations that are best dealt with on a personal level.

The No News is Good News doesnt apply in this situation,

Exactly.

Anyone remember the last time a guitarist left this band?

Yeah, and there were comments on the rumors from management that then were turned into "they lied".



/jarmo

[Howard2k]

who is this trentreznor troll ?

Just because he has a differing opinion doesn't make him a troll.

[DeN]

i don't call his affirmations "opinions".