Robin leaving? Just touring?

[younggunner]

The band is losing good favour with even the hardcore fans .

honestly you really cant blame Axl for this. The news came out of nowhere. He will move on but you have to realize how much of a blow this is to him. I can only imagine. There are things Axl does that I havnt agreed with over the past few yrs but this certainly isnt one of them. Its not his fault. I actually feel bad for him and us. Its like there is something invisible out there that has tried so hard to make this such a long roller coaster journey. And the sad part is ...its winning! Its unreal when you think about all of it....

[DarrenLeves]

HOW do you know it has been handed to the record company?? were you there in their offices?

all i am saying is robin is out permanently...whethere this affects the album, future tours, etc who knows...but he is OUT of GNR...NIN is setting up a massive tour/album release schedule that will take them thru late 2009 at the EARLIEST

Read my post again, I wasnt there ... I wish I was however Beta (Axl's Personal Assistant) was and has said it has been handed into the record company, no disrespect to yourself , I think she knows just a tad bit more than you

[Saul]

The band is losing good favour with even the hardcore fans .

honestly you really cant blame Axl for this. The news came out of nowhere. He will move on but you have to realize how much of a blow this is to him. I can only imagine. There are things Axl does that I havnt agreed with over the past few yrs but this certainly isnt one of them. Its not his fault. I actually feel bad for him and us. Its like there is something invisible out there that has tried so hard to make this such a long roller coaster journey. Its unreal when you think about all of it....

Yes, kinda off topic here but....

One things for sure, Axl hasn't always chosen the easiest paths to walk down at times, but whatever path he walks it seems there are more things blocking his way then there would be for most other people. It seems luck just doesn't want to play fair game with Axl Rose most of the time.

I only hope that through steps that only he himself can take, alongside a litlle bit of good luck, 2008 can be the year he can get his new material released once and for all. Getting this out there in public, to be heard, judged and enjoyed can only be good for him I imagine.

I'm not going to say Axl can 'save rock n roll' by himself or with one album of music, but I am confident a full album of new material by Axl and the amazing group of musicians he has surrounded himself with will no doubt rock, and rock hard!

Good luck for Axl starts now?!

[ppbebe]

I got your point .
should I repeat again that Tommy once said the album might be out while he was on his solo tour.

again if tommy decides to cancel his own solo tour thats his perogative...its his tour

nothing any of the other side projects that the current GnR guys have done comes anywhere close to the magnitude of a NIN World Tour ... and if robin is locked up in that then we can forget about any actual band promotion for CD until Robin is cleared of his contract with Trent...unless they get a new lead guitarist  thats the way i see it

again Tommy wasn't cancelling the tour for the supposed release. read my post.
a band doesn't necessarily put an album and tour at once.

[Will]

I guess we will hear something this week, even though I kinda expected to hear something today (well it's only 11AM in L.A, but still).
Anyway, I'm wondering why Reznor hasn't said anything in 3 days...he seemed to be pretty proud to show Robin is "back", whatever it really means. He hasn't said a thing since then and oddly enough GN'R either. Could it mean there are still negotiations in the works?

I don't like to speculate, but when we're in the dark like this, there's not much we can do besides that.

[ppbebe]

and my point bringing up richard thing is that I expect an update at the GNRcom if trent resorted to a haste bombshell before  Robins really say yes or Robin really left. otherwise Robin finck com will do.

Save the disappointment till you hear a confirmation.
if it turns to be bad news, lets cry a bit and then move on.  for an instant I may curse robin for a fool but that doesn't mean I will never go to a NIN show to see him.

rather than dwelling on the negative, Guns will be moving forward.

[younggunner]

I'm wondering why Reznor hasn't said anything in 3 days...he seemed to be pretty proud to show Robin is "back", whatever it really means.

welcome back and WORLD tour doesnt  say enough?

[Will]

welcome back and WORLD tour doesnt  say enough?

I was referring to welcome back "for good" or "just for this tour"?
But that wasn't the point of my post.

[jarmo]

Jarmo, no offense,but you seem rather aggressive in your responses on this issue. Obviously you make a valid point that people cannot be updated if there is something undecided, but you must understand how the Guns fans feel over this issue?

Everytime we get anywhere near a possible forward move something terrible usually happens and we are never told why. A shovel of truth into the fire wouldn't go amiss. They could fill in a few blanks and explain the reasons why it has taken so long and why it continues to be treated with such secrecy.

Obviously there is some reason why the album cannot come out. Why can they not just tell us what those reasons are? For example, "Thanks for your support, but unfortunately complicated legal cases we cannot discuss mean we cannot release Chinese Democracy" or whatever the real reason is. The band is losing good favour with even the hardcore fans . If they are planning a return, it would be better if they didn't have to start by winning back the fans they had.

As I've repeated time after time, there are two sides to this coin.

You can give a lot of updates, then when some of the things you planned don't happen you get called a liar etc.



/jarmo

[ppbebe]

I was referring to welcome back "for good" or "just for this tour"?

allow me to reput my 2 cents

Don't you fed up with drama queens.

my impression so far is that while trent was waiting for robin's agreement he saw dr pepper thing and GNR's management announcement, which aroused rivalry in him and had him go ahead to make it an accomplished fact.

so, no news or statement ? speculations are useless.

so true.

and again speculations are useless.

[Will]

my impression so far is that while trent was waiting for robin's agreement he saw dr pepper thing and GNR's management announcement, which aroused rivalry in him and had him go ahead to make it an accomplished fact.

Could be the case...The guys over at Dr Pepper must be like "what have we done?" lol

I know speculations are useless, I was just posting my 2 cents.
Anyway, I'll keep checking in case we have some official news about this from GN'R.

[ppbebe]

I know speculations are useless, I was just posting my 2 cents.

I was referring to my 2 cents as the useless ones.   

and another one maoaxl thinks before those recent GNR occurrences, robin might have agreed to rejoin NIN tour and before he cancelled it trent updated his site. Hence no update since then.

I must admit this is more plausible than mine.

[Wooody]

Not that I see myself in that group, but I, for once don't see the point of posting when there ARE NO NEWS AT ALL.

Was I comparing bad news to no news at all? No I wasn't.




/jarmo

Did I say you were comparing bad news to no news at all? No I didn't.

So why did you feel like you had to defend yourself with that line against the point I made?



/jarmo

Because I understand people who post only when there's bad news. If they didn't they wouldn't post for months !

[Wooody]

BTW, this is not the first time that TRent Reznor fucks with the minds of GNR fans. Chances are he himself posted that pic on his site to fuck with us and he's just laughing his ass reading all the comments.

He's a geek.

[Saul]

Other sites are now running the story ...

http://knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=6229

[jarmo]

Not that I see myself in that group, but I, for once don't see the point of posting when there ARE NO NEWS AT ALL.

Was I comparing bad news to no news at all? No I wasn't.




/jarmo

Did I say you were comparing bad news to no news at all? No I didn't.

So why did you feel like you had to defend yourself with that line against the point I made?



/jarmo

Because I understand people who post only when there's bad news. If they didn't they wouldn't post for months !

There were some good news at the end of March. A little over a week ago.





/jarmo

[SpiritDave]

IF Robin has departed to NIN for good, there's one thing'll miss, and that's his input to the track Better.
Mind you, I'd like to see Trent perform the song (do NIN cover songs?).

No WAY ... the stuff I'd miss is his work on There Was a Time ... superb playing on that track.  I love it   It's tooooo distinctive   Very cool.

[Wooody]

BTW, this is not the first time that TRent Reznor fucks with the minds of GNR fans. Chances are he himself posted that pic on his site to fuck with us and he's just laughing his ass reading all the comments.

He's a geek.

(dream on)
I doubt Trent would post a photo of Robin just to fuck with NIN fans

He posted a pic of axl

[trentreznor]

Trent has been planning many things in the upcoming future for NIN so he isn't going to waste time trying to fuck with the GNR fans....Getting Robin back is just phase one of several phases that NIN is going thru in the next few months...fact is, robin was always an employee of Trent 1st and foremost, so at least he finally chose a side..and those in the GNR camp..why would you want robin if he clearly jumps ship

[Wooody]

BTW, this is not the first time that TRent Reznor fucks with the minds of GNR fans. Chances are he himself posted that pic on his site to fuck with us and he's just laughing his ass reading all the comments.

He's a geek.

(dream on)
I doubt Trent would post a photo of Robin just to fuck with NIN fans

He posted a pic of axl

That was at a time when Robin joined Axl.
Robin with NIN is new news. Plain and simple.

nah, Trent posting a pic of Axl is relatively recent.