Velvet Revolver To Part Ways With Scott Weiland

[SpiritDave]

Jarmo

Please name me one band that doesnt do this shit for the money?

Pearl Jam.

Happy?




/jarmo

You don't know ANYTHING about the reasons that Pearl Jam exist.  No matter what you think or say... any band... and that includes PJ... has it's reasons ... they may be music... money... fame ... etc.  But what you see on the outside is not always what they talk about in the boardroom or rehearsal studio.

 

[Smoking Guns]

Jarmo

Please name me one band that doesnt do this shit for the money?

Pearl Jam.

Happy?




/jarmo

Ha!!!!  I forgot, Alternative bands or "Grunge" bands hated money....  Get Real.  PJ is a fantastic band that isn't too greedy and didn't sell out and fought ticket master.  But, like Slash, they play music for themselves.  Just so happens, they have all made a lot of money doing it.

[jarmo]

Don't bring Axl into this. 

LOL!

Dude ... you really have to jump off that train ... he didn't bring Axl up   His point was entirely about the course of Slash and Duff's career choices, and entirely not about Axl.

He said if they were about money they would've stayed with Axl. Like it would be a guarantee to make money and/or that GN'R is motivated by it.

But the fact is, Slash has said how he didn't appreciate GN'R "wasting" money. So there goes that theory.

And no, I don't think this has anything to do with GN'R no matter how you VR fans wish it did. That's why I don't like them being brought up every fucking time something bad happens to your beloved VR.

You don't know ANYTHING about the reasons that Pearl Jam exist. 

If I don't know anything about PJ, you know even less.

 

Their actions speak louder than your words.





/jarmo

[D]

Jarmo

Please name me one band that doesnt do this shit for the money?

Pearl Jam.

Happy?




/jarmo

HAHAHA yeah, pearl jam give free concerts right? They dont sell merchandise. they dont charge for Cds or Dvds.

Next u are gonna tell me they donate every cent they make to charity.

Every band does this in part cause of money.


Some are less whores than others, but I dont see anyone doing this for free.


I just love how jarmo, u and others would be the first to call Jon Bon Jovi a whore when he donates and does more for charity than most the bands u tout combined.

[jarmo]

HAHAHA yeah, pearl jam give free concerts right?

They dont sell merchandise. they dont charge for Cds or Dvds.

Next u are gonna tell me they donate every cent they make to charity.

Every band does this in part cause of money.


Some are less whores than others, but I dont see anyone doing this for free.

Boy, you really are clueless and off topic....

You wanted an example of a band that's not motivated by the money and I gave you one. Now you ask me of they play for free etc etc. 





/jarmo

[SpiritDave]

Don't bring Axl into this. 

LOL!

Dude ... you really have to jump off that train ... he didn't bring Axl up   His point was entirely about the course of Slash and Duff's career choices, and entirely not about Axl.

He said if they were about money they would've stayed with Axl. Like it would be a guarantee to make money and/or that GN'R is motivated by it.

But the fact is, Slash has said how he didn't appreciate GN'R "wasting" money. So there goes that theory.

And no, I don't think this has anything to do with GN'R no matter how you VR fans wish it did. That's why I don't like them being brought up every fucking time something bad happens to your beloved VR.

You don't know ANYTHING about the reasons that Pearl Jam exist. 

If I don't know anything about PJ, you know even less.

 

Their actions speak louder than your words.





/jarmo

Okay ... couple of quick things ... His reasons for mentioning Axl were to say that the Guns N' Roses name is going to make more money than most others.  So from a financial point of view, it makes more sense.  Now ... it doesn't matter how much they wasted, because the name and band made enough money to STILL make tons of profit.  So ... you're wrong.  There was no indication in his post that he was accusing GnR of being motivated by money.  And I seriously don't understand how you got to thinking from this post that 'us VR fans' (I'm a Guns N' Roses fan too you know... I've slagged Axl and co off but I've slagged Scott off too... before this fiasco... so it proves I'm not biased), wanted it to be about GnR.  You're the one bringing that into it.

So... regarding your knowledge of Pearl Jam ... you can know 100x more than me ... and my previous point still stands.  You ... I .... Ali ... D ... and anyone else on this board ... none of them know what's going on behind the scenes of these bands.  You can't deny that ... so stop trying to compete with me about the knowledge you have.

[jarmo]

I've slagged Axl and co off but I've slagged Scott off too... before this fiasco... so it proves I'm not biased,

And how about Slash?

Or Matt?



Maybe you weren't motivated by money in 1996, but that doesn't mean you still aren't in 2008.

Maybe you don't realize you miss something until years later?

So... regarding your knowledge of Pearl Jam ... you can know 100x more than me ... and my previous point still stands.  You ... I .... Ali ... D ... and anyone else on this board ... none of them know what's going on behind the scenes of these bands.  You can't deny that ... so stop trying to compete with me about the knowledge you have.

I'm not competing at all. Seems like you are.


I'm saying, there are bands who actually do more for their fans than VR and still don't claim to be "all about the music and fans"....

If you still think they're only motivated by money or money is the most important thing to them, I think you should study them a bit more.





/jarmo

[FunkyMonkey]

I'm not sure Scott will appreciate Billboard's title...

Velvet Revolver Boots Scott Weiland

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003783878

Considering he was open about how this was the last tour (unlike the rest of the band), I wouldn't be surprised if he actually told the band he was leaving some time ago.

Then they put out that press release to make it seem like he was fired.





/jarmo

I have a feeling we will hear from Scott soon.

[SpiritDave]

If I don't know anything about PJ, you know even less.
/jarmo

You compared ... not me

And no ... so far Matt and Slash haven't pissed me off.  Sorry. 

I genuinely believe that Slash and Matt and Duff etc do not need to be motivated by money ... and that they aren't.  BUT ... I am 100% sure that money is of some importance ... same way it is in my life.  You have to make profit when you run your own business.  But ... you can enjoy your work and love it dearly.

I work as an artist for a living ... running my own business.  I love it.  I wanna make shit loads of money to secure it and make sure it's working out.

Simple business to me.  And any band pretending that money isn't important at all, is a group of lying fucks.  Duff has commented that they have to make money.  And he's right.  No one disputes that money is important.  But it's NOT more important.  Otherwise they'd be in ... a 'more secure' band ...

[Eclipsed107]

Oh well, I'm just glad to see that the band will continue on, find a new singer, and release a new album.

Slash and Duff now each have two albums on the way, and I'm just happy that they're not going to take over 10 years to come out with them.

Hard to Believe that Slash is well on his way to having 6 post-Gn'R albums out now.   Good for him.  It's nice to see that he was able to keep active during the last 15 years and continue on with his legacy.

[chineseblues]

If I don't know anything about PJ, you know even less.
/jarmo

You compared ... not me

And no ... so far Matt and Slash haven't pissed me off.  Sorry. 

I genuinely believe that Slash and Matt and Duff etc do not need to be motivated by money ... and that they aren't. 

That's why Slash said they started VR because they needed the money back when they first started the band!  

[Alan]

jarmo for VR vocalist.

imagin the fun that could be had on the boards...

[jarmo]

You compared ... not me

Well I'm sorry. I didn't know you were a fan like me and have followed them since the early 90s!

Your posts certainly didn't give that impression.

And no ... so far Matt and Slash haven't pissed me off.  Sorry. 

Of course not.

How non-biased you must be then.

I genuinely believe that Slash and Matt and Duff etc do not need to be motivated by money ... and that they aren't. 

How can you be so sure?


And I believe Slash and Matt are the opposites of what someone like Izzy is. They love fame, attention and everything that comes with it.

To become popular, they'll put up with Scott Weiland for years until they've reached a point where it's not worth it anymore. The record didn't sell as well and they're back playing smaller venues.

They'll claim it's about the music and fans while one of them was a big reason for a canceled Australian tour.


Matt has also said the he was frustrated  because he didn't make as much money (while in GN'R) as Duff and Slash did.

While Slash had this to say in 2005: http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/slash%20keeps%20rocking%20for%20the%20money

BUT ... I am 100% sure that money is of some importance ... same way it is in my life.  You have to make profit when you run your own business.  But ... you can enjoy your work and love it dearly.

I work as an artist for a living ... running my own business.  I love it.  I wanna make shit loads of money to secure it and make sure it's working out.

Simple business to me.  And any band pretending that money isn't important at all, is a group of lying fucks.  Duff has commented that they have to make money.  And he's right.  No one disputes that money is important.  But it's NOT more important. 

It's probably more important when you have a record company that expects you to do things from them.

Like I said, I don't think it's the only motivating factor. I think they're downplaying its importance to seem cooler.

Otherwise they'd be in ... a 'more secure' band ...

There you go again.  How witty.

jarmo for VR vocalist.

imagin the fun that could be had on the boards...

I think that job is suited for you better. You being the Slash super fan and everything.

I also believe you can deliver lines like "somebody raped my tapeworm abortion" way better than I ever could.

Good luck! 



/jarmo

[Continental Drift]

Re-form Neurotic Outsiders with Slash.

End of discussion.

[Smoking Guns]

Jarmo, you make good points.  I don't know where money is really relevant to this topic, since you brought it up.  They will make money with next singer, but scott sacrificed many things for them in their eyes. Mainly their reputation for good live gigs and cancelling shows for scotts personal problems.  At the end of the day, sure, money is there.  But I too believe they are pissed about scott's behavior. 

[DeN]

the guys were taken by surprise when weiland said onstage he left the band.
this statement clarify the situation, VR will continue with a new singer for at least a third album.

the question is *who*. they should organize some kind of online game with suggestions by the fans...
they seems better to find a decent frontman.

i'm curious to read reviews about the Amsterdam show now... 

[jarmo]

Jarmo, you make good points.  I don't know where money is really relevant to this topic, since you brought it up.

Yes, I brought it up because of the press release claiming otherwise.

Most bands/artists will say the fans are important.

 

They will make money with next singer, but scott sacrificed many things for them in their eyes. Mainly their reputation for good live gigs and cancelling shows for scotts personal problems. 

That's the problem. Sure Scott has had his share of problems, but to think everything can be blamed on him is naive.

He's not the only guy who made up VR who's been in rehab since they started out.



Reading this section now is like reading about a different band. Suddenly all the admiration for Scott seem to be gone.




/jarmo

[FunkyMonkey]

i'm curious to read reviews about the Amsterdam show now... 

Some photos..

http://www.wireimage.com/gallerylisting.asp?navtyp=gls====311103

[DeN]

thanks. i've read Ines review in the other thread, it seems
they played without any references at the situation.

[D]

I still like Scott and will support him in STP

I got two great albums of music out of this band and that is awesome!