Weiland Fires Back At Sorum: 'Ego And Jealousy Can Get The Better Of Anyone'

[Feel_The_Burn]

Scott isnt gonna get any love on this forum after the way he trashed Axl but even the biggest hater of Scott can't deny his talent.

He isn't an Axl level talent but then again not many are.

Scott is certainly higher up than most frontmen.

Ok Axl is a loose cannon? Last time I checked Axl fronted Guns N Roses not Velvet Revolver.

[jarmo]

Scott isnt gonna get any love on this forum after the way he trashed Axl but even the biggest hater of Scott can't deny his talent.

He isn't an Axl level talent but then again not many are.

Scott is certainly higher up than most frontmen.

He's not even the best of "his" decade.

He's like a Matt Sorum of singing. 

A lot of image.




I suggest you stop mentioning Axl in this fucking section.

After all, it was all you VR fans who got upset about it in the past. Now you're the ones doing it.

As I said, as soon as something bad happens, you try to turn it to be about Axl. Fucking predictable.



/jarmo

[Bodhi]

Saying Axl is mentally unstable is pretty uninformed and insulting. Labeling Scott as highly talanted is just ridiculous. And putting them both in the same category is a sacrilege.

I am not going to get into the merits of Axl's mental stability with you.  To try and say though he is anything but a live wire that could go off at any time given all the episodes over the past 20 years is certainly a stretch. Axl himself has alluded to this sort of thing himself over the years, so I am hardly making a slanderous comment.

You don't have to like Scott or his music, but you don't front 2 platinum selling bands, play in front of as many people, sell as many records, win a grammy, and be considered one of rock's best front men without a little talent. He has had too long and successful a career to be a talentless hack. It obviously isn't at the level of what GNR had accomplished, but compared to 98% of the rest of the rock bands of the past 15 years he is at or near the top of the list in terms of achievement. To try and argue otherwise just demonstrates an inability to separate your distaste for him from the facts on the ground.

Im with ya on Scott Weiland...i think STP is a good band, and Ill probably check them out in jersey this summer....I never really liked Scott Weiland as a person after the bullshit he said about Axl...but the guy is a decent frontman I wont take that away from him..although I have said alot of nasty things about him over the past couple years on this board...

my question is why are you even bringing up Axl Rose in this discussion...last time I checked he was not a member of Velvet Revolver or Stone Temple Pilots....and to talk about the guys mental state is makes no sense to me...how in the world would you know anything about that? and what in the world does that have to do with Velvet Revolver breaking up?


and on a side note.... has anyone noticed that in Scott Weilands impromtu internet rants he always brings up how many records he has sold or what he has accomplished in the record business??

[jarmo]

Stop it with the Axl stuff already.


Naupis got warned.




/jarmo

[D]

Scott isnt gonna get any love on this forum after the way he trashed Axl but even the biggest hater of Scott can't deny his talent.

He isn't an Axl level talent but then again not many are.

Scott is certainly higher up than most frontmen.

He's not even the best of "his" decade.

He's like a Matt Sorum of singing. 

A lot of image.




I suggest you stop mentioning Axl in this fucking section.

After all, it was all you VR fans who got upset about it in the past. Now you're the ones doing it.

As I said, as soon as something bad happens, you try to turn it to be about Axl. Fucking predictable.



/jarmo

Where did I mention Axl except to say he Scott isn't on his level and most people sort of liked Scott until his dumbass rant?

Why the hell all of a sudden are u tryin to call out my shit? How the fuck did I turn anything into about Axl?


Also it was u and Jim Bob who would hijack every VR thread with inflammatory shit.

So maybe u should follow your own rules?

[Ali]

Saying Axl is mentally unstable is pretty uninformed and insulting. Labeling Scott as highly talanted is just ridiculous. And putting them both in the same category is a sacrilege.

I am not going to get into the merits of Axl's mental stability with you.  To try and say though he is anything but a live wire that could go off at any time given all the episodes over the past 20 years is certainly a stretch. Axl himself has alluded to this sort of thing himself over the years, so I am hardly making a slanderous comment.

You don't have to like Scott or his music, but you don't front 2 platinum selling bands, play in front of as many people, sell as many records, win a grammy, and be considered one of rock's best front men without a little talent. He has had too long and successful a career to be a talentless hack. It obviously isn't at the level of what GNR had accomplished, but compared to 98% of the rest of the rock bands of the past 15 years he is at or near the top of the list in terms of achievement. To try and argue otherwise just demonstrates an inability to separate your distaste for him from the facts on the ground.

  Here we go again.

Anyway, Scott is definitely a talented frontman.  He has a great, well crafted vocal instrument.  He writes good melodies too.  But, while I do acknowledge his inalienable right to speak his mind, I think in this situation and in the situation with Axl and Slash visiting Axl's house, he made a messy situation messier by expressing his feelings publicly.  He pissed Slash off by ripping Axl in public and I can't imagine this will help band unity.

Ali

[Naupis]

Are you surprised? Something negative happens in the wonderful magical world of VR and Axl has to be mentioned.

Says a lot....

Yeah, it says I was trying to make a point about Slash's future now that VR is done. I used the example of 2 talented but troubled lead singers to reinforce why I think we are done seeing Slash in a band designed to be more than a big jam session the way Snakepit was. That only leaves me with 2 singers then unless I am missing something. That seemed pretty logical to me given his comments in the past about his relationship with "singers". I was merely making the point this may be his last straw. Hardly these sinister intentions to sully Axl's name you and your minions seem to be trying to grasp at. I will avoid referring to him by name then if it will make you feel better next time I am trying to illustrate a point by establishing a pattern.

[Bodhi]

so anyway I wonder if Scott Weiland will be making an apperance on Slash's solo album..


in all seriousness though I really hope Duff and Slash repond to what Scott said about Matt....I will lose some repect for them if they don't...I am already assuming that Matt Sorum will have plenty to say as usual..

[D]

Naupis, I read your post and fully understood its intent. Its a shame that everyone has to overreact every single time The artist we aren't allowed to mentions name is said.

[Ali]

so anyway I wonder if Scott Weiland will be making an apperance on Slash's solo album..


in all seriousness though I really hope Duff and Slash repond to what Scott said about Matt....I will lose some repect for them if they don't...I am already assuming that Matt Sorum will have plenty to say as usual..

I guess if the band is over, no further harm can be done by further escalation of the tensions in this situation, but no good can be done either.  Just play the final shows and move on to better things.

Ali

[Bodhi]

Naupis, I read your post and fully understood its intent. Its a shame that everyone has to overreact every single time The artist we aren't allowed to mentions name is said.

guys let it go already...this IS the VR section afterall....i think there are a few HUNDRED topics in Dead Horse to resume that conversation in....

so how many of you think they will replace Scott either by keeping the name VR or the four of them finding a new singer and coming up with a new band name?

[jarmo]

Its a shame that everyone has to overreact every single time The artist we aren't allowed to mentions name is said.

This is coming from Mr "Off Topic, let's have some fun by ruining every thread with off topic spam"

I suggest you keep some of your posts to yourself. You're making a lot of posts about how this board sucks but you're one of the posters who spam the threads the most with off topic posts.






/jarmo

[leatherebel]

Are you surprised? Something negative happens in the wonderful magical world of VR and Axl has to be mentioned.

Says a lot....

Yeah, it says I was trying to make a point about Slash's future now that VR is done. I used the example of 2 talented but troubled lead singers to reinforce why I think we are done seeing Slash in a band designed to be more than a big jam session the way Snakepit was. That only leaves me with 2 singers then unless I am missing something. That seemed pretty logical to me given his comments in the past about his relationship with "singers". I was merely making the point this may be his last straw. Hardly these sinister intentions to sully Axl's name you and your minions seem to be trying to grasp at. I will avoid referring to him by name then if it will make you feel better next time I am trying to illustrate a point by establishing a pattern.

Your point is still unconvincing. If you read the greatly insightful biography Slash wrote, you'd know what his thoughts were on the singer of Snakepit II. So, claiming that Slash will likely settle for something like Snakepit because it is more controllable, stable, and drama-free is incorrect.

Speaking of mental stability. I am sorry to remind you but back in the day when GN'R was starting there was just one stable, sober, and smart person in that band, without who this band would've never made it and we wouldn't have had GN'R, not even in its AFD version. And Slash, well he is actually more unstable than any of the aforementioned singers, a bigger addict, alcoholic, etc. But Slash is a private person and manages well to hide his messy life and habits.

I'm not in this thread to defend anybody but your insulting remarks deserved a response. But I thank you for your compliment.

[jarmo]

Back to discussing VR and their exciting antics off stage.





/jarmo

[D]

Spam with Off Topic stuff?

We are talkin about the implosion of VR, My posts are on the subject. Its like we are suppose to forever disassociate and pretend the old GNR or any relationships between Slash and the guy we arent suppose to mention never existed.



Your post should've been directed at the guy who brought his name into the thread in the first place. the fact u said it to me just made no sense as I said nothing negative or even brought Axl's name into anything.


I said people on here arent gonna like Scott after what he said about Axl.

How in the hell is that "spamming"

Its that kind of stuff that makes me wonder if u even know what spamming is.


U couldnt produce 10 posts of mine that would be considered "Spam" that weren't at least remotely on the subject at hand.

Then again its the pot callin the kettle black cause for months u and Jimbob did nothing but spam the VR section with stuff to incite the VR fans.

[jarmo]

D, what's your fucking problem?


Just the other day you were whining about how you weren't allowed to "have fun" in the GN'R section.

Then went off to start a new thread (in the right section) where you whined about it.

You seem very unhappy unless you're discussing Bon Jovi.....



THE IMPLOSION OF VELVET REVOLVER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AXL! DEAL WITH IT!



The next ones that mention Axl in this section, or hint at it like you tried to, will get banned.

Clear enough?





/jarmo

[D]

Just sayin I didnt mention him and felt unfairly targeted.


I have absolutely no problem, I just want to be able to have an opinion without being called a spammer. U know deep down truthfully i am not a spammer and I take offense to that.

Topic:

If Libertad had done as well as Contraband, Im not sure we would have these public dustups and I dont think Scott would be eager to leave the band.

I guess it would be rough going from being on top with STP to falling down, to then get a rare second chance with another band and once again reach the top only to have it crash down very fast.

If u are a lead singer u are the alpha dog. U don't want someone trying to over sing u because if I go see a concert, I am there to hear the singer sing

Backing vocals are cool and all but I certainly dont want to go to a Matt Sorum sings VR show.

So Scott saying he doesn't pick up a guitar and solo with Slash is dead on.

I wonder if there would be any chance of them firing Matt and getting someone else to drum??

[Naupis]

We are talkin about the implosion of VR

Exactly, and the next logical conclusion is to speculate where do they go next. I guess hypothesizing where someone sees Slash ending up using his past career experiences as a factor in why we think that is some how inflammtory spam.

[D]

Naupis:

Unfortunately VR and Snakepit are the only two bands Slash has ever been in. Everything pre1996 never happened.



I cant see this band going on without Scott. It would just be kind of pointless and hard to sell to an audience seeing as they aren't that established.

I say Slash will end up with the guest appearances, doing jam bands. Id say Slash in band number 3 probably won't happen.



U know what would really be weird though?

If Slash and Duff got back with Adler maybe hire back Gilby or even kept Matt and hired just a Cover type singer and went around on tour doing classic songs.

[Bodhi]

I wonder if there would be any chance of them firing Matt and getting someone else to drum??

are you kidding me?  do you really think they would stab Matt in the back like that....they have been friends since 1990!!!  do you really think Slash and Duff would do that to Matt for Scott Weiland of all people?!?!  I think its more likely they just get another singer and start a new band....

but as for the immediate future, I think Slash is going to work on his solo album....which I think will be really cool...especially if its like he said it would be, working with a different artist on every song...kind of similar to what Santana did in the late 90's...only unlike Santana, Slash can use talented artists..