If Weiland were to be fired or reunite with STP full time, what next

[Falcon]

I could see them possibly firing Weiland some day, it depends on how much patience they have

I've seen this line of thought a few times in this thread (and others) and really don't agree.

First off, with STP reuniting its as though Scott has in effect fired the band for at least the summer.  He's chosen to go down a path without the VR guys, simple as that.

Scott holds all the cards, he's the one with options and can't lose either way.

I virtually guarranty if given the choice between finding another singer or having Scott focus on VR - Slash, Matt, Duff and Dave would to a man prefer Scott stay.

[faldor]

Good point Falcon.  I know many people don't care much for Scott, but he was the lead singer of a pretty popular band that he can fall back on.  The others were members of GNR, but I don't think Axl's looking to reunite anytime soon.  VR is a better gig than anything Duff or Slash can do on their own.  It's a lot easier to start/join a band as a singer than it is to search for one.  I guess that's why lead singers can afford to screw up so often, they're the hardest to replace.

[Smoking Guns]

Its fucking amazing to me how the weakest link has the most fucking power.  He has brought the least to the table and it pisses me off when you have Dave, Matt, Slash, and Duff without a propper singer.  The singer should fucking sweat rock n roll and know his role.  Scott apparently doesn't know his fucking role.  This band could be monster.  It really could.  Well, lets face it, we all know why it could.  I would take a 65 year old Mick Jagger in VR right now!  Why?  Because he gets rock n roll.  He knows what its all about.  Ozzy, ya, I would take him too.  I would take anyone with Balls that "wants" to be with these guys.  A mans man.  A guys guy.  Not a pussy bitch with attitude.  A guy that realizes his voice is an equal to everyone else's instrument.   Though the frontman, an equal.  Not trying to outshine anyone.  But who could fill that role?  This is what often brings me back to the "R" word. But if the "R" is not an option, and since  Bon Scott is dead, who could it be?  This band could be AMAZING!!!!!  Right now they are good and sometimes great, but they can be more than they are!  Scott helped get their name out there. But now it may be time to hand off to someone else to catapult (sp) this band to new heights.  Someone with smaller ego and larger range.

[holtzmn73]

Cornell is losing his voice - check out any Audioslave and solo bootlegs*. On top of that, if he were to join, he may want to play Audioslave songs at gigs...no thanks!

*This is bound to rustle some feathers. Just what I think, that is all.

Chris would never join VR but his voice is far from shot, he sounded horrible with Audioslave live but he sounds great these days-
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gAyLdBWDiYI

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

Saw Cornell last May, he can still wail.

He did stuff ranging from Temple to Audioslave, and didn't falter once.

He's doing good on his own, I just don't see him working with the VR boys.

[Ali]

I could see them possibly firing Weiland some day, it depends on how much patience they have

I've seen this line of thought a few times in this thread (and others) and really don't agree.

First off, with STP reuniting its as though Scott has in effect fired the band for at least the summer.  He's chosen to go down a path without the VR guys, simple as that.

Scott holds all the cards, he's the one with options and can't lose either way.

I virtually guarranty if given the choice between finding another singer or having Scott focus on VR - Slash, Matt, Duff and Dave would to a man prefer Scott stay.

Are you saying that you think that Slash, Duff, Dave and Matt would be o.k. with VR being essentially relegated to a less than full time project?

That's what I don't believe.  When Slash, Duff and Matt were in Guns, it was a full time gig.  When Slash had Snakepit going, it was something he went full on towards.  The last several years, VR has been everything to these guys as far as a musical outlet goes. 

I don't see these guys being like Maynard James Keenan, juggling multiple projects like APC and Tool.  And as a matter of pride and principle, I would hope that these guys don't let Scott Weiland decide for them what their work schedule will and will not be.  Because let's be honest, if Scott does STP again at least part time, there will be limits and parameters on when VR can work.

These are some of the finest hard rock musicians around and although they can make great rock music with Scott Weiland, they don't necessarily need him to make great rock music.

Ali

[Feel_The_Burn]

I could see them possibly firing Weiland some day, it depends on how much patience they have

I've seen this line of thought a few times in this thread (and others) and really don't agree.

First off, with STP reuniting its as though Scott has in effect fired the band for at least the summer.  He's chosen to go down a path without the VR guys, simple as that.

Scott holds all the cards, he's the one with options and can't lose either way.

I virtually guarranty if given the choice between finding another singer or having Scott focus on VR - Slash, Matt, Duff and Dave would to a man prefer Scott stay.

Are you saying that you think that Slash, Duff, Dave and Matt would be o.k. with VR being essentially relegated to a less than full time project?

That's what I don't believe.  When Slash, Duff and Matt were in Guns, it was a full time gig.  When Slash had Snakepit going, it was something he went full on towards.  The last several years, VR has been everything to these guys as far as a musical outlet goes. 

I don't see these guys being like Maynard James Keenan, juggling multiple projects like APC and Tool.  And as a matter of pride and principle, I would hope that these guys don't let Scott Weiland decide for them what their work schedule will and will not be.  Because let's be honest, if Scott does STP again at least part time, there will be limits and parameters on when VR can work.

These are some of the finest hard rock musicians around and although they can make great rock music with Scott Weiland, they don't necessarily need him to make great rock music.

Ali

In fact I think Duff and Slash have openly admitted that music keeps them off the path of destruction. They won't deal with part time shit.

[CheapJon]

VR could steal POets & pornstars frontman

[Falcon]

Are you saying that you think that Slash, Duff, Dave and Matt would be o.k. with VR being essentially relegated to a less than full time project?

Nope..

Saying I believe they'd much rather have Scott focus on VR than look for another front man, for whatever reason(s).

No idea how they would react to VR being a less than full time affair for Scott, I expect they'll have a "wait and see" approach.  As in "wait and see' to how things shake out with STP before making any kind of decision on how to move forward.

[Ali]

Are you saying that you think that Slash, Duff, Dave and Matt would be o.k. with VR being essentially relegated to a less than full time project?

Nope..

Saying I believe they'd much rather have Scott focus on VR than look for another front man, for whatever reason(s).

No idea how they would react to VR being a less than full time affair for Scott, I expect they'll have a "wait and see" approach.  As in "wait and see' to how things shake out with STP before making any kind of decision on how to move forward.

I have a hard time imagining that this STP reunion will be just a one-off summer tour or something.  That's the problem.  STP will get back together and I'd bet that they'll feel the chemistry and creativity flowing again.  Slash, Duff, Matt and Dave can wait around to actually see that happen.  Or, they can be proactive and decide for themselves what is best, whether that's sticking with Scott, even in a less than full time capacity, or going with someone else who may be more available.

Either way, I believe with the STP reunion and Scott's stated desire to do a solo record as well, the days of Scott Weiland focusing on VR are over.

Ali

[Falcon]

I have a hard time imagining that this STP reunion will be just a one-off summer tour or something. 

Same here, once the ball gets rolling they'd be foolish not to give it a go.

Slash, Duff, Matt and Dave can wait around to actually see that happen.  Or, they can be proactive and decide for themselves what is best..

I think there's also a chance they may not move ahead in any capacity at all as a unit without Scott, each going their separate ways and pursuing other interests.

..the days of Scott Weiland focusing on VR are over.

Sure does look that way..

[faldor]

Yeah I kind of find it hard to imagine they'd just try to replace Scott and continue on with Velvet Revolver.  It's not like VR was a hugely successful band like Van Halen, ACDC, etc. that can survive on their music regardless of who the front man is.  Would they really bring someone aboard to learn 2 albums worth of material that really didn't get well noticed the first time around?

[lynn1961]

Really, I think we all just need to wait & see what happens, here, instead of speculating about all of this.   

[Wheres Izzy]

I dunno...I just don't really see VR continuing if Scott decides to go on with something else which to me seems like a very strong possibility. Let's face it...VR will never be as big as STP were, at least here in the states. And with all the crazy attention reunions are getting now-a-days if things go well between Scott and the Deleo bros. for these reunion shows STP could easily become a full time gig. And I think Scott is def. going to do another solo record sooner or later along with his talk of acting and writing it all adds up to spreading himself too thin to be involved much with VR. I think if that happens the other 4 guys will fall into doing the same things they did before VR, at least professionally. Duff will always be playing with somebody, Slash will make appearances and probably start releasing solo records. Matt's a talented drummer and will find work easily, maybe as a session guy.
As far as Chris Cornell, whom I am a tremendous fan of, no way he joins VR at this point in his career. After the Audioslave split he said in about a hundred interviews he has no desire to be in a band and likes having full creative control of his songs.

[faldor]

Really, I think we all just need to wait & see what happens, here, instead of speculating about all of this.   

This thread is all about speculation though.  That's what it was started for.  Sure none of us know what's gonna happen or what should happen but we all have our opinions.  Hey maybe VR will continue on and be stronger than ever, I just don't see that myself.

[Smoking Guns]

Really, I think we all just need to wait & see what happens, here, instead of speculating about all of this.   

This thread is all about speculation though.  That's what it was started for.  Sure none of us know what's gonna happen or what should happen but we all have our opinions.  Hey maybe VR will continue on and be stronger than ever, I just don't see that myself.

Like I said earlier, how Scott has all the power is beyond me.  If Dave left, they would get another rythm player.  I guess Scott > Dave.  I know that is a stupid thought process, but each member should be equal.  And I feel Scott is just as replaceable as anyone else.  That kid from Silvertide had a good voice.  Hell, give him a shot.

[Genesis]

Is the STP reunion confirmed then?

[faldor]

The STP reuinion was confirmed but now they've been taken off the list of participating bands on the Rock on the Range website.  So I guess it's still up in the air. 

As for Scott having all the power.  It's a nice thought that all members in a band should be equal, but that's not usually the case.  The singer gives the band a definitive sound that's tough to replace.  I've never heard of a band putting out 2 albums that didn't exactly set the world on fire replacing their lead man.

In all fairness, Velvet Revolver is for lack of a better word, a supergroup. I'm quite certain if Slash left the band, they wouldn't look to replace him and continue on with the band.  Again, they just don't have the material or the following to survive. At least, that's my opinion.

[Falcon]

  I've never heard of a band putting out 2 albums that didn't exactly set the world on fire replacing their lead man.

You do realize Contraband debuted at #1 on the Billboard charts, spawned two number 1 singles, a Grammy for "Slither" and has sold nearly 3 million records domestically, right?

It's seems as though you're diminishing their success to a degree, not a fair assumption based on the facts above.

Whether they think they've got the brand name recognition to move ahead as VR without Scott is a much more relevent question in my estimation.

[faldor]

I'm aware Contraband was a success, yes.  I'm also quite aware that Libertad quite frankly bombed.  As well as their debut did, the follow up could only be seen as a dissapointment.  Therefore I don't think they have the staying power to continue after replacing a key member, such as the lead singer.  Not to diminish their success, but a lot of artists have won Grammys and sold lots of records only to fade away. 

I like Velvet Revolver, I'm not a hater.  I'm just being realistic.  I don't think the future looks too bright for the band. I hope I'm wrong, I hope they come back bigger and stronger than ever.  But I wouldn't bet on it.