Gibson Endorsement / Guitar Question

[Jim Bob]

And not to bring Slash into this, but his tone is much better than the current guys and he is using less effects.

As far as live tone, I'd go with Robin's tone anytime. It's your opinion, obviously.

agreed,  Robin has a much better tone live in my opinion as well.    Its very distinct and unique.   I can't think of any other guitar player that sounds similar.

slash fans are annoying, "not to bring up slash" and then bringing him up 

[Smoking Guns]

And not to bring Slash into this, but his tone is much better than the current guys and he is using less effects.

As far as live tone, I'd go with Robin's tone anytime. It's your opinion, obviously.

agreed,  Robin has a much better tone live in my opinion as well.    Its very distinct and unique.   I can't think of any other guitar player that sounds similar.

slash fans are annoying, "not to bring up slash" and then bringing him up 

His tone is a watered down Zakk Wylde tone Jim Bob.  Now shut the hell up unless you know what you are talking about.  There is nothing "distinct" about it. 

[Jim Bob]

And not to bring Slash into this, but his tone is much better than the current guys and he is using less effects.

As far as live tone, I'd go with Robin's tone anytime. It's your opinion, obviously.

agreed,  Robin has a much better tone live in my opinion as well.    Its very distinct and unique.   I can't think of any other guitar player that sounds similar.

slash fans are annoying, "not to bring up slash" and then bringing him up 

His tone is a watered down Zakk Wylde tone Jim Bob.  Now shut the hell up unless you know what you are talking about.  There is nothing "distinct" about it. 

go back to the VR section and worship your lil hero.   GnR fans shouldn't be told to "shut the hell up" because they like and have a positive opinion on Robin's tone.

[SpiritDave]

Good tone is good tone ... doesn't matter if it's digital, processed, clean, dirty, valve, solid, whatever ...

I personally have a Marshall all Valve/Tube DSL 100 Head and 1960 Cab loaded with standard 75watt Celestions ... with a Les Paul Standard up front, with alnico II Pro humbuckers, and I use a Seymour Duncan pickup booster to add some gain/volume, for solo's and I use a Boss tuner pedal.  That's all.  That's my tone.  And I love it.  That doesn't mean it's the be all and end all of tones ... it means it works for me.  Robins tone is superb... but I am a bigger Slash fan regarding sound.  So I have to admit, I favour Slash's tone... live and on record.  That said ... as I say, Robin's tone to me is beautiful.  Very unique sound.  Bumble's tone does nothing for me... Richard's tone is badass too ... raw and rocking.

So stop arguing! lol

[AdZ]

I personally have a Marshall all Valve/Tube DSL 100 Head and 1960 Cab loaded with standard5watt Celestions ... with a Les Paul Standard up front, with alnico II Pro humbuckers, and I use a Seymour Duncan pickup booster to add some gain/volume, for solo's and I use a Boss tuner pedal.  That's all.  That's my tone.  And I love it.

Hooray!

Finally some confirmation for my fansite.

[SpiritDave]

:/ Gah, I was trying to get a point across!!!  Oh well hehe

[Voodoochild]

And not to bring Slash into this, but his tone is much better than the current guys and he is using less effects.

As far as live tone, I'd go with Robin's tone anytime. It's your opinion, obviously.

agreed,  Robin has a much better tone live in my opinion as well.    Its very distinct and unique.   I can't think of any other guitar player that sounds similar.

slash fans are annoying, "not to bring up slash" and then bringing him up 

His tone is a watered down Zakk Wylde tone Jim Bob.  Now shut the hell up unless you know what you are talking about.  There is nothing "distinct" about it. 

No, it's not. Unless you're talking about the artificial harmonics (I mean, their playing, not their tone), you should shut the hell up because there's nothing similar between those sounds.

[Feel_The_Burn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7dnWD-1o2Y

That's a pretty typical tone , nothing wrong with that I think it sounds damn good as well but nothing I couldn't hear in the marshall room of the local guitar center.

Now THIS stuff is good tone , how a guitar should sound , minimal effects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa04ifCum-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW09oMknOuA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWnapx502uQ


Check out the tone comparison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=973YLrlrNwM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K9MjjTC1w4

Thats the difference between effect pedals and not , you can hear it ( more so in the solo's ) but it's a lot more raw and you can "feel" the strings against the wood.

[SpiritDave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7dnWD-1o2Y

That's a pretty typical tone , nothing wrong with that I think it sounds damn good as well but nothing I couldn't hear in the marshall room of the local guitar center.

Now THIS stuff is good tone , how a guitar should sound , minimal effects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa04ifCum-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW09oMknOuA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWnapx502uQ


Check out the tone comparison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=973YLrlrNwM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K9MjjTC1w4

Thats the difference between effect pedals and not , you can hear it ( more so in the solo's ) but it's a lot more raw and you can "feel" the strings against the wood.

Great post

[jarmo]

Here's a guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs4VqAeZfaY

Here's another guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lP0QxX-48U

Here's more guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_liAiISOy8


The point?

All great songs, and they don't have to sound like Slash!

So take your "tone" and shove it. 



GN'R in the 2000s doesn't sound like Slash? Thank fucking God since he's not been in the band since 1996!

Oh, and "tone" has nothing to do with the original question so I suggest you Slash fans go discuss his perfect tone in the right section until your ears bleed. 




/jarmo

[Feel_The_Burn]

Here's a guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs4VqAeZfaY

Here's another guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lP0QxX-48U

Here's more guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_liAiISOy8


The point?

All great songs, and they don't have to sound like Slash!

So take your "tone" and shove it. 



GN'R in the 2000s doesn't sound like Slash? Thank fucking God since he's not been in the band since 1996!

Oh, and "tone" has nothing to do with the original question so I suggest you Slash fans go discuss his perfect tone in the right section until your ears bleed. 




/jarmo

Did I say they had to sound like slash? No I said unprocessed tone is a hell of a lot better than processed bullshit. All those songs are great , but not examples of good guitar tone , apart from maybe Rage because Tom generally is using his JCM for the tone not pedals , only on solos. I love how you try to turn this on "Slash" fans when EVHT  brought it up but whatever.

And you're whole GN'R doesn't sound like Slash is funny look at Robin's set up

In GNR :

Guitars
- Gibson Les Paul Studio
- Gibson Les Paul Standard
- Gibson Les Paul Standard Plus
- Gibson Les Paul Classic Goldtop
- Gibson Les Paul Custom Guitars
- Gibson Blueshawk

Amplifiers
- Marshall JCM-2000 w/ Marshall cabs

Effects
- Wah-Wah Jim Dunlop Rack Mount Pedal
- Delay Boss DD-5

That is Slash's setup , swap the JCM-2000 for a Jubilee or JCM800 and it is identical. So get the facts straight

[jarmo]

That is Slash's setup , swap the JCM-2000 for a Jubilee or JCM800 and it is identical. So get the facts straight

You're the one bringing up Robin's tone as a example of something bad, I didn't say anything about them using some of the same equipment.

When you bring up Robin as an example of bad tone and Slash as n example of good tone, I assumed you'd love it if Robin had sounded exactly like Slash.

So, take your Slash trip somewhere else.


Now.... Before you're banned for a second time. 


So, if you want to post in this thread, just make sure you stick to the fucking topic from now on.





/jarmo

[Feel_The_Burn]

That is Slash's setup , swap the JCM-2000 for a Jubilee or JCM800 and it is identical. So get the facts straight

You're the one bringing up Robin's tone as a example of something bad, I didn't say anything about them using some of the same equipment.

When you bring up Robin as an example of bad tone and Slash as n example of good tone, I assumed you'd love it if Robin had sounded exactly like Slash.

So, take your Slash trip somewhere else.


Now.... Before you're banned for a second time. 






/jarmo

I never said it was bad I said it sounded pretty generic to me. Yes I think Slash's tone runs all over the guys currently in GN'R  , still love the band I think Davild Gilmour and Stevie Ray's tone run circles around Slash and Robin , its an opinion. Peace.

[jarmo]

Good for you.

And I think a question about what equipment Richard, Robin and Ron use has nothing to do with what you think of a former GN'R member's tone. Especially when you post it in order to try to criticize the people who the question was originally about.




/jarmo

[rockNroses]

First off let me give a list

Joe Perry
Jimmy Page
Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray vaughn
David Gilmour
Tony Iommi
Jame Hetleild
Kirk Hammet

and SO many more guitarist did it like this ( little to no effects ) , tone comes from an AMP not your giant ass pedal board. Pedals are used to cover up a lot , a real guitarist can pug straight into the amp and sound amazing. So get your facts straight.

?

Page - modified his guitar, even made his own custom effects

Hendrix - used effects (floor and studio) like crazy, effects were like his 2nd instrument

Gilmour - basically takes his own nuclear power plant on tour....

Sure you can just plug in and sound great. But that is not the question here, as no one in GN'R does that and I'm trying to find out more about their sounds and equipment.

When you play guitar yourself and want to nail a certain sound/tone or make your own variation of a tone it's just very helpful to know what was used to get that tone in the first place. No to copy it or buy a certain guitar because someone else plays it, but to understand what's going on the technical side of things.

[Smoking Guns]

Jarmo, I think feel the burn may agree that tone in GNR is a requirement that Depeche mode and U2 don't require.  Those are song based bands, GNR is a Guitar driven band.  Always has been.  So that means GNR has a thick fat ballsy tone.  No one listens to U2 to hear great guitar playing or tone, they do for GNR.  

On topic, they all play the gear they play for the "tone".  Gibson's are a huge part of that.  If they were all playing Strat's with Fender or Vox amps everyone would bitch.  Would it sound bad?  No, but there is a reason why they used the gear they use.  To get the sound AXL wants and what GNR is, you have to use certain gear, which they are using to attain a sound that is GNR. So for GNR and its current members, tone is obviously important.  

[rockNroses]

So what do we know so far?

Slash is about the only one giving some real insight about his equipment and endorsement deals.

On Buckethead's website there is some good info on why he does not endorse anything and about the models and the voodoo he uses.

But that's about it. What about the other guys?

Ron just lists his guitars by brand and basic model and says he uses Di Marzio pickups. Great. WICH ONES?? And does he really get the sound out of only a crappy Line 6 amp? Hard to believe for me. Elaborate elaborate, Ron!

Robin and 4tus just show a pics of their guitar stands...wich is not very informative either.

Especially Robin's guitars would be intresting in detail since he seems to modify them according to his preferences.

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

I love how you try to turn this on "Slash" fans when EVHT  brought it up but whatever.

Dude, don't even act so innocent.  When Smoking Guns posted his thing, I knew it was ALL about Slash.  Three seconds after my post, lo and behold, he posted about how wonderful Slash's tone is.  That post disappeared of course.

Buddy boy.

[Voodoochild]

So what do we know so far?

Slash is about the only one giving some real insight about his equipment and endorsement deals.

On Buckethead's website there is some good info on why he does not endorse anything and about the models and the voodoo he uses.

But that's about it. What about the other guys?

Ron just lists his guitars by brand and basic model and says he uses Di Marzio pickups. Great. WICH ONES?? And does he really get the sound out of only a crappy Line 6 amp? Hard to believe for me. Elaborate elaborate, Ron!

Robin and 4tus just show a pics of their guitar stands...wich is not very informative either.

Especially Robin's guitars would be intresting in detail since he seems to modify them according to his preferences.

There's some Richard interviews out there. I remember one for the Jellyfish site (tho he said he didn't use it with GNR because he recorded work was finished by then, in 2004 - of course, that was the situation back then) and another one talking about a brand new bariton he got (he even said he would use it on Oh My God). A lot of the interviews are more about his setup with Nena, but it can give you clues. Just try to find out on the HTGTH articles section or even the main board about those interviews.

About Robin's guitar, I would love to know more about his gear, but I don't think there is a detailed info about that. You can find some info about endorsements and gear here:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/misc/equipment.html

[Smoking Guns]

Robin does have some really sweet looking guitars.