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record company and CD
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February 12, 2008, 05:07:31 PM »
i don't know if this question has been answered yet so i'll go ahead:
we know CD according to the band is finished.
is there a slight chance the record company won't feel satisfied with it and may order changes to be made?
i dont imply this is what i think is happening,i just want to know whether it is only
axl and the band who decide that the record is done and good enough to hit the stores.
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Re: record company and CD
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If
something had to be fixed, I assume it would've been taken care of months ago.
So I don't think there's an issue with the artistic side of the album.
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February 13, 2008, 11:30:11 AM »
The only remaining question is: why is the record company blocking the release? Any thoughts? Or is this already discussed?
Anyhow; I still think Chinese Democracy is a stupid name for the 'CD'....
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February 13, 2008, 11:54:05 AM »
Maybe, they have not reached an agreement yet about the album promotion , maybe they are blocking the release just to make Axl pay for all the continuous delays and for breaking all the deadlines established by the record company to deliver the finished album .
Maybe the records company wants to recover some of the money invested in the album cause they know that with the actual state of the music industry they never going to recover it , maybe they want to make him pay for trying to block the release of the greatest hits .
Maybe Axl is still doing the final arrangements , maybe someone is re recording Brain's tracks , maybe the album doesn?t exist and never existed ? really I don?t know but Axl has fucked so many people in the business during this years that I don?t think anybody in his record company is willing to help and trying to make his comeback easy
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lots and lots of money has been invested in cd (so all the rumours of gnr being dropped by geffen are bs at this point). everybody involved wants it to sell as good as possible. figuring out the right strategies for promotion and release is one thing. geffen/universal can't risk cd to flop. neither can axl (if he wants more records released by the revamped gnr). the music business is in a general crisis. so is rock music. recruiting money, getting an overwhelming publicity for a product that might not sell (in times like these) is possibly hard. that's the other side.
additional to that, axl seems to be thinking about what comes after cd as well. if it's supposed to be a trilogy the current negotiations might not all be about cd. my guess is that the choice of the first single could also be something they discuss intensely. so all in all there's much at stake for everybody. that's why it might take a little longer than we'd expected.
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digital rights.
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February 13, 2008, 12:36:15 PM »
In other words, the record company is pulling off the same shananigans that Axl was pulling off between 1994 and 2006 when the record company was dying to pull off a release. If this is really an eye for an eye, we won't see a new GNR music release until 2020 (12 years).
Axl may unfortunately be getting a bitter taste of his own medicine.
We as fans are the losers as well.
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Quote from: whiny on February 13, 2008, 12:22:06 PM
lots and lots of money has been invested in cd (so all the rumours of gnr being dropped by geffen are bs at this point). everybody involved wants it to sell as good as possible. figuring out the right strategies for promotion and release is one thing. geffen/universal can't risk cd to flop.
That's probably the main reason why it's not out yet, if it's up to the record company now. And it's a good thing IMO. Don't you guys want it to sell as good as possible? That would help Axl release more records after CD. Make it a trilogy if he wants to. But if they release it now without a good plan, it may not sell enough to make that possible!
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Axl's making them money every day without them having to do anything.
I wouldn't be surprised if the people at the record company weren't even there last time they had to put out a new GN'R album. So it's not like they worked for the money GN'R is still bringing them.
It's pretty simple. How do record companies make money? They put out records.
If they stop putting out records, let's see how much money they're making.
If they have issues with artists working on their own schedule, they're in the wrong business. Music is still art, even though they've tried hard to make it into a product like any other product.
If they had focused more on the art instead of the business, maybe people would still be buying music..... But instead we're told to buy the current Idol winner's album or whoever else is the current flavor of the month until the next product comes along.
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February 13, 2008, 01:10:12 PM »
I certainly don't have an understanding what's going on behind the scenes, but it seems pretty black and white to me.
Release the album. Make money. The hype and mystery surrounding the album will certainly make it sell
moderately
well, let alone a solid marketing plan and those don't take 12 months to plan.
I'm sure there is a good reason and all I've got is precious time, but it's seems that my puzzler has puzzled until my puzzler was sore.
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I can see where you're coming from, but it seems like many people think of the record company as an enemy. IMO; they're not, and I'm sure they
at least
want to milk CD for all it's worth. And that means they should put as much money in promoting the album as possible...
But who knows. Maybe they will invest in the next Idols winner instead.
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Quote from: jarmo on February 13, 2008, 12:46:42 PM
It's pretty simple. How do record companies make money? They put out records.
If they stop putting out records, let's see how much money they're making.
If they have issues with artists working on their own schedule, they're in the wrong business. Music is still art, even though they've tried hard to make it into a product like any other product.
If they had focused more on the art instead of the business, maybe people would still be buying music..... But instead we're told to buy the current Idol winner's album or whoever else is the current flavor of the month until the next product comes along.
/jarmo
Indeed. Music business didn't go down only because Internet & downloading came along. Shitty records and "hit singles" were bigger problem. People could download that one good song from otherwise poor record, so ta-dah, record-sales went down, big time.
If Axl can pull this gig to an satisfying end, he sure has kicked industrys balls. Fucking stubborn rebel
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February 13, 2008, 02:57:30 PM »
I'd say marketing would be a big issue. There's a lot of options and planning it just the right way isn't going to be easy. Do you do tv ads, posters, life size cardboard band cutouts? There's a lot of details that need to be covered and then there's the artwork associated with such, the printing, the pressing, the shipping, etc. I don't know how long it takes, but it certainly isn't overnight. Probably once they get all those details hammered out, then they'll get the ball rolling of notifying stores and begin the (I hope) media blitz.
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or maybe the label really has dropped gnr...
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February 13, 2008, 02:58:52 PM »
Neither the artist nor the record company make that much money with releasing CD's anymore.
If the band is smart, they hook up with a good (concert) promoter and sell their album on their own label, using the infra structure of a record company for sole distribution and their concerts to make the quick money.
The whole internet / digital right thing is a little overrated I think. In a time where music became a product and the audience is satisfied with a virtual download rather than having a physical CD, the future of the music industry is not downloading or selling CD's, it is live concerts and live concerts only.
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Quote from: anyway on February 13, 2008, 02:58:21 PM
or maybe the label really has dropped gnr...
http://www.geffen.com/artist/default.aspx/aid/149
http://new.umusic.com/Artists.aspx?Index=2
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we haven't beaten this dead horse before...
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Quote from: The_Wretched on February 13, 2008, 03:15:02 PM
btw... what are we gonna do to celebrate Jarmo's 20,000th Post???
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I think they are waiting for a summer release to be honest with you guys. Rock albums do better in the summer time so I think that's what the label is doing.
Question of the day: Remember the Glam metal scene and Guns N' Roses came in and killed it. Now you look at today's music Emo Panic of the Disco, My Chemical Romance , Simple Plan ect Do you think GnR could do the same thing once they release Chinese Democracy ? restore Rock n Roll.
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Quote from: rockNroses on February 13, 2008, 03:23:31 PM
Quote from: The_Wretched on February 13, 2008, 03:15:02 PM
btw... what are we gonna do to celebrate Jarmo's 20,000th Post???
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