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[ben9785]

I really like the idea behind this 'ransom' release.

Its unique in idea, it prevents early leaks, and its almost a way for the record company to safely guage the amount of interest for new GNR material, hence based on the interest they can proceed with physical releases and plan the release of the consecutive new GNR albums thereafter more effectively.

[BeefyD]

Actually, if Universal was THAT hell bent on album sales, release the album with normal promotion and what not. People will steal it just like every other album.

Then, when GnR goes on tour for it, raise the ticket price $10 and include a copy of CD with your ticket, ala PRINCE.  He sold 3+ million cd's that way.  Axl gets his normal ticket $, and Universal gets $10 per ticket.

PLUS, it guarantees the album to be high on the charts, with 3-4 shows a week @ 15-20,000 people = 45-80,000 copies sold PER WEEK.  Most albums get released, peak, and start declining.  This would mean top 20 sustained.

This was a brilliant article.  If everyone can switch "vintage" "retro" and "old GNR" with "last tour t-shirt", "2007 festival show dvd" or "2001 Vegas dvd", we save about 7 pages of this thread. 

[norway]

Will be intresting to see how it's done all in all. And yes, we're out of patience

It is already a joke for several years. We all need to move on and forget about CD.

You're obviously have registered to the wrong site

[fuckin crazy]

This was a brilliant article.  If everyone can switch "vintage" "retro" and "old GNR" with "last tour t-shirt", "2007 festival show dvd" or "2001 Vegas dvd", we save about 7 pages of this thread. 

Maybe, but that isn't what box sets are about. Few people will buy a box that only has recent material.

[freddiebrph]

I'm curious: who the fuck still cares for CD to come out? (except for some die hards on the several GN'R forums)

It is already a joke for several years. We all need to move on and forget about CD.

Theres a brilliant post. Great idea, lets "forget about CD and move on"  To what? another year of touring 20 year old songs? now that is really moving on!!!!!!

[slashsbaconpit]

I'm curious: who the fuck still cares for CD to come out? (except for some die hards on the several GN'R forums)

It is already a joke for several years. We all need to move on and forget about CD.

Oh, but it's going to be released really soon! ... oh wait, no it's not.

[jarmo]

I'm curious: who the fuck still cares for CD to come out? (except for some die hards on the several GN'R forums)

It is already a joke for several years. We all need to move on and forget about CD.

Theres a brilliant post. Great idea, lets "forget about CD and move on"  To what? another year of touring 20 year old songs? now that is really moving on!!!!!!

Maybe the point is that you need to move on..... Get a new act. 





/jarmo

[coldenim]

Listen folks, we dont know the time or the hour when axl and his minions will stop harassing us with this album, so we just need not to give up, and reap the rewards of waiting, because if we do just all give up it will show axl the stonger.  

[freddiebrph]

I'm curious: who the fuck still cares for CD to come out? (except for some die hards on the several GN'R forums)

It is already a joke for several years. We all need to move on and forget about CD.

Theres a brilliant post. Great idea, lets "forget about CD and move on"  To what? another year of touring 20 year old songs? now that is really moving on!!!!!!

Maybe the point is that you need to move on..... Get a new act. 





/jarmo

Why would I need to? My act is just fine. I am a HUGE supporter of gnr. New and old. Being a HUGE fan, i am waiting for the NEW band to give me some NEW music. Not really a big expectation is it? Just sick of being told to "get out of the past" when still today, that is really all we have. You can spin it anyway you want, but when I read that hillary duff made 13 million dollars last year, and Madonna made 72 million, it just gets frustrating to hear all these lame excuses why gnr cant make money. Arent these people facing the same "industry problems" that gnr is facing?

[jarmo]

Why didn't every other recording artist make as much then?

Edited to add: Funny you bring up Madonna who didn't release a new album in 2007....



/jarmo

[Feel_The_Burn]

I love how people of this forum get in knots when they are told stuff like that.

I'm curious: who the fuck still cares for CD to come out? (except for some die hards on the several GN'R forums)

It is already a joke for several years. We all need to move on and forget about CD.

Theres a brilliant post. Great idea, lets "forget about CD and move on"  To what? another year of touring 20 year old songs? now that is really moving on!!!!!!

Maybe the point is that you need to move on..... Get a new act. 





/jarmo

Why would I need to? My act is just fine. I am a HUGE supporter of gnr. New and old. Being a HUGE fan, i am waiting for the NEW band to give me some NEW music. Not really a big expectation is it? Just sick of being told to "get out of the past" when still today, that is really all we have. You can spin it anyway you want, but when I read that hillary duff made 13 million dollars last year, and Madonna made 72 million, it just gets frustrating to hear all these lame excuses why gnr cant make money. Arent these people facing the same "industry problems" that gnr is facing?

Yup , that is all we have. For the past decade all it's been is excuses with Axl and Co.

[freddiebrph]

Why didn't every other recording artist make as much then?

Edited to add: Funny you bring up Madonna who didn't release a new album in 2007....



/jarmo

That is the point. NO ALBUM and still made 72 million. All off touring her LATEST album mixed in with the past. If gnr and record Co. really need to make the money fast, rlease it and tour the shit out of it. This formula works! You dont really need to sit in a room for another year and waste more time.

[jarmo]

Yup , that is all we have. For the past decade all it's been is excuses with Axl and Co.

What exactly do you know about the situation?

Let me guess, nothing!


Stop acting like you're some kind of victim here.

If this is too much for you to handle, move on.

It's that easy.

Seems like that's the only thing you guys understand. I have to be that blunt.


If you hate your job, you change your job. If you hate your spouse, you get a divorce.

Or maybe you don't. Instead you keep reminding everybody around you who aren't as miserable as you about how your job sucks and you hate your spouse!

Year after year.....


Instead of moving on with your lives, you stick around spewing the same shit year after year.


How exactly is this helping to improve your life? Does it make you happier?

You come to a GN'R FAN site to post this kind of shit year after year. "Oh poor me, I've waited and waited.  ".


Move on!

That is the point. NO ALBUM and still made 72 million. All off touring her LATEST album mixed in with the past. If gnr and record Co. really need to make the money fast, rlease it and tour the shit out of it. This formula works! You dont really need to sit in a room for another year and waste more time.

If the day comes when GN'R charges as much for tickets as Madonna, I don't wanna see you complaining.





/jarmo

[bodine]

Why didn't every other recording artist make as much then?

Edited to add: Funny you bring up Madonna who didn't release a new album in 2007....



/jarmo

Doesn't that reinforce his point though?  If she can make that money without even putting out an album...  Seriously GN'R should be a money-making machine.  The $13M should not be that big an obstacle!!!

[jarmo]

Why didn't every other recording artist make as much then?

Edited to add: Funny you bring up Madonna who didn't release a new album in 2007....



/jarmo

Doesn't that reinforce his point though?  If she can make that money without even putting out an album...  Seriously GN'R should be a money-making machine.  The $13M should not be that big an obstacle!!!

This is from the Forbes article:

Madonna earned much of that from her landmark Confessions tour, the highest-grossing tour for a female artist, earning $260 million worldwide. During that time-frame, Madonna also enjoyed income from record sales, her deal with hipster retailer of choice H&M and payment from NBC for rights to broadcast her concert performance at London's Wembley Stadium.


It'd be interesting to know how much of it was due to records sales.....




/jarmo

[freedom78]

Why didn't every other recording artist make as much then?

Edited to add: Funny you bring up Madonna who didn't release a new album in 2007....



/jarmo

Doesn't that reinforce his point though?  If she can make that money without even putting out an album...  Seriously GN'R should be a money-making machine.  The $13M should not be that big an obstacle!!!

This is from the Forbes article:

Madonna earned much of that from her landmark Confessions tour, the highest-grossing tour for a female artist, earning $260 million worldwide. During that time-frame, Madonna also enjoyed income from record sales, her deal with hipster retailer of choice H&M and payment from NBC for rights to broadcast her concert performance at London's Wembley Stadium.


It'd be interesting to know how much of it was due to records sales.....




/jarmo

My guess would be $4.18, but that's way more in British Pounds.

[Feel_The_Burn]

Yup , that is all we have. For the past decade all it's been is excuses with Axl and Co.

What exactly do you know about the situation?

Let me guess, nothing!


Stop acting like you're some kind of victim here.

If this is too much for you to handle, move on.

It's that easy.

Seems like that's the only thing you guys understand. I have to be that blunt.


If you hate your job, you change your job. If you hate your spouse, you get a divorce.

Or maybe you don't. Instead you keep reminding everybody around you who aren't as miserable as you about how your job sucks and you hate your spouse!

Year after year.....


Instead of moving on with your lives, you stick around spewing the same shit year after year.


How exactly is this helping to improve your life? Does it make you happier?

You come to a GN'R FAN site to post this kind of shit year after year. "Oh poor me, I've waited and waited.  ".


Move on!

That is the point. NO ALBUM and still made 72 million. All off touring her LATEST album mixed in with the past. If gnr and record Co. really need to make the money fast, rlease it and tour the shit out of it. This formula works! You dont really need to sit in a room for another year and waste more time.

If the day comes when GN'R charges as much for tickets as Madonna, I don't wanna see you complaining.





/jarmo

What exactly do you know about the situation that I don't? Unless you get some inside info from the GN'R camp , we both only know what has been made public. Did I say I was a victim? Nope , I said it's been excuses with GN'R for YEARS and all we do have ( can you contest this ) is the past , minus some leaks. Just because I say that doesn't make me any less of a GN'R fan than you.  As said before it isn't asking too much for a NEW band to release NEW music....

[bodine]

Why didn't every other recording artist make as much then?

Edited to add: Funny you bring up Madonna who didn't release a new album in 2007....



/jarmo

Doesn't that reinforce his point though?  If she can make that money without even putting out an album...  Seriously GN'R should be a money-making machine.  The $13M should not be that big an obstacle!!!

This is from the Forbes article:

Madonna earned much of that from her landmark Confessions tour, the highest-grossing tour for a female artist, earning $260 million worldwide. During that time-frame, Madonna also enjoyed income from record sales, her deal with hipster retailer of choice H&M and payment from NBC for rights to broadcast her concert performance at London's Wembley Stadium.


It'd be interesting to know how much of it was due to records sales.....




/jarmo

Very little I'm sure.  But for a brand name like Guns N' Roses, $13M is bus fare.  Surely the record company has enough brain power working for it to figure out how to make this work!!!

[misterID]

What exactly do you know about the situation that I don't? Unless you get some inside info from the GN'R camp , we both only know what has been made public. Did I say I was a victim? Nope , I said it's been excuses with GN'R for YEARS and all we do have ( can you contest this ) is the past , minus some leaks. Just because I say that doesn't make me any less of a GN'R fan than you.  As said before it isn't asking too much for a NEW band to release NEW music....

Ah, that pesky criteria of what makes a real fan rears its head again:

1. You have no right to talk about GNR unless its approved by GNR.

2. You cannot voice displeasure for anything associated to GNR in any compacity.

3. You are not allowed to wait for any upcoming album. But waiting for upcoming concerts and merchandise is okay. But not Albums. Not under any circumstance.

4. Please ignore the man behind the curtain.

5. You cannot question the honesty of any member, employee, or manager of GNR. Unless they're fired or quit. Then they're all fucking liars.

6. All official statements issued by GNR are completely true. GNR would never, ever try to spin an ugly situation to make themself look better. Not under any circumstance... Ever.

7. All media is full of shit. Unless they have something good to say. 

8. Any critique or questioning of anything related to GNR (post 1996) is hereby considered treason, and you will be labled whiner, victim, complainer, and banished to the lands of free speech, where horrible liberals will eat your children.

9. Thinking for ones self is strickly prohibited. All ideas and opinions will be given out by GNR. Any opinions other than GNR licensed opinions will be destroyed or mocked.

10. GNR/Axl Rose never, ever, ever, makes a bad or dishonest decision. Ever

Breaking any of these rules will result, but not limited to, in immediate revoking of fanhood, memory deletions, and or castration.
 

[John Galt]

What exactly do you know about the situation that I don't? Unless you get some inside info from the GN'R camp , we both only know what has been made public. Did I say I was a victim? Nope , I said it's been excuses with GN'R for YEARS and all we do have ( can you contest this ) is the past , minus some leaks. Just because I say that doesn't make me any less of a GN'R fan than you.  As said before it isn't asking too much for a NEW band to release NEW music....

Ah, that pesky criteria of what makes a real fan rears its head again:

1. You have no right to talk about GNR unless its approved by GNR.

2. You cannot voice displeasure for anything associated to GNR in any compacity.

3. You are not allowed to wait for any upcoming album. But waiting for upcoming concerts and merchandise is okay. But not Albums. Not under any circumstance.

4. Please ignore the man behind the curtain.

5. You cannot question the honesty of any member, employee, or manager of GNR. Unless they're fired or quit. Then they're all fucking liars.

6. All official statements issued by GNR are completely true. GNR would never, ever try to spin an ugly situation to make themself look better. Not under any circumstance... Ever.

7. All media is full of shit. Unless they have something good to say. 

8. Any critique or questioning of anything related to GNR (post 1996) is hereby considered treason, and you will be labled whiner, victim, complainer, and banished to the lands of free speech, where horrible liberals will eat your children.

9. Thinking for ones self is strickly prohibited. All ideas and opinions will be given out by GNR. Any opinions other than GNR licensed opinions will be destroyed or mocked.

10. GNR/Axl Rose never, ever, ever, makes a bad or dishonest decision. Ever

Breaking any of these rules will result, but not limited to, in immediate revoking of fanhood, memory deletions, and or castration.
 

  was it not Axl who in the Paris 1992 concert (might be mistaken) during a mini rant made a comment along the lines of " you can lock 'em up, you can throw away the key, you can kick their teeth in, but you can't f**k with someones freewill" -  the last bit often springs to mind when I read threads in this forum