VR to begin work on new album in April!

[Feel_The_Burn]

Well I hope they make a third record...because the last one really did suck...it has its moments...but Contraband was an amazing record...they should fire that producer...i believe they used the same one that STP used...Libertad was way too soft and vocally driven...i couldnt even hear the guitars in the mix...Contraband had ass kicking solos all over the place...If you have SLASH in the band...i would like to actually hear the guitars...but what do I know??

Either way I will be happy to get a third record out of this group...thats 2 more than I thought i was going to get back in 2003 when they first got together....

Yea they went with the STP producer , eh bad choice. It didn't suck , I really liked it Last Fight , American Man , Just 16 , Gravedancer , good songs I enjoyed big time.I think it was good , but it was too soft especially for Slash , but i think they wanted to go for that. Contraband had awesome riff'age , if they can combine the both together good soft songs with hard rockin' vibes they'd be set. I think they can do it , especially now that they have gel'd as a band more. Their live shows are really good too....

[CheapJon]

hope they write loads of material and tries to get rick rubin again.. but yeah that won't happen

[Smoking Guns]

making a new record would be best for the band and its families. Making a record is more time spent at home.

and honestly, new music always is good for the fans

Good way to forget about Libertad and get out of a recording contract too for an STP reunion.




/jarmo

Agreed to that!  I hope 3rd is the charm though!

[SpiritDave]

making a new record would be best for the band and its families. Making a record is more time spent at home.

and honestly, new music always is good for the fans

Good way to forget about Libertad and get out of a recording contract too for an STP reunion.




/jarmo

VR are much better for me than STP.  I was never an STP fan ... I prefer VR by far.  Probably the flow of the music ... as it's much more 'rock' than STP.  Anyways ... why would they want to forget about a great album?

I suspect none of the members of VR share your opinion of the band ... you tend to forget that 

[CheapJon]

why would they want to forget about a great album?

probably because it was kind of a commercial flop that's my guess

[D]

When youre 40, Famous and a multi millionaire

Seriously, How hard could u want to work?


most bands lose their way cause they lose their inspiration once they move out of the gutter.



Bring on the reunions!

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Hopefully they will use a different producer this time around.  With the exception of a handful of songs their last album sounded like a bunch of throwaway STP tracks with Slash solos Pro Tooled in.  But they probably will keep BOB.  I'm not convinced these guys really care about making the best music they're capable of.  They took it as an insult that Rick Rubin told them to write more songs, but he was right.  Shit a lot of the rap songs Rubin's produced are heavier than anything on Libertad.  But they didn't want to hear it.  Oh well.  But it just seems like these guys would rather rest on their laurels and do what comes easy than really push themselves, like D said it happens to most bands/musicians though

[Feel_The_Burn]

why would they want to forget about a great album?

probably because it was kind of a commercial flop that's my guess

Yea beacuse Artistic gratification means nothing.....

But well put D!

Shit a lot of the rap songs Rubin's produced are heavier than anything on Libertad.

You are aware that maybe they wanted it to be kept they way it was? I'm sure they are proud of their record.

[jarmo]

Anyways ... why would they want to forget about a great album?

If they're already stopping promoting it, seems like they want to move on?





/jarmo

[Feel_The_Burn]

Anyways ... why would they want to forget about a great album?

If they're already stopping promoting it, seems like they want to move on?





/jarmo

They are still touring off it?........ Besides since when did stop of promotion mean forgetting about it. I'm sure zeppelin didn't forget about IV , metallica didn't forget bout Justice, hell Guns didn't forget about AFD? Moving on and forgetting are very different things.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

why would they want to forget about a great album?

probably because it was kind of a commercial flop that's my guess

Yea beacuse Artistic gratification means nothing.....

But well put D!

Shit a lot of the rap songs Rubin's produced are heavier than anything on Libertad.

You are aware that maybe they wanted it to be kept they way it was? I'm sure they are proud of their record.

I'm sure they're proud of their record.  That doesn't mean that it was a good album, though some think it was and I'm sure VR thought it was.  But judging from the sales figures they obviously didn't strike a chord with their target audience if only 10% as many people bought it as bought their previous album that came out just 3 years prior.  They always talk about how they're a bad ass rock band and a "real" rock band but this was a soft, overly commercial effort and obviously a lot of people saw through the charade.  They can make whatever type of music they want but there's no need to insult the fans intelligence.  It seems like they thought that if they said it's bad ass, real, balls to the wall rock then it actually is.  People didn't buy what they were selling

[Feel_The_Burn]

why would they want to forget about a great album?

probably because it was kind of a commercial flop that's my guess

Yea beacuse Artistic gratification means nothing.....

But well put D!

Shit a lot of the rap songs Rubin's produced are heavier than anything on Libertad.

You are aware that maybe they wanted it to be kept they way it was? I'm sure they are proud of their record.

I'm sure they're proud of their record.  That doesn't mean that it was a good album, though some think it was and I'm sure VR thought it was.  But judging from the sales figures they obviously didn't strike a chord with their target audience if only 10% as many people bought it as bought their previous album that came out just 3 years prior.  They always talk about how they're a bad ass rock band and a "real" rock band but this was a soft, overly commercial effort and obviously a lot of people saw through the charade.  They can make whatever type of music they want but there's no need to insult the fans intelligence.  It seems like they thought that if they said it's bad ass, real, balls to the wall rock then it actually is.  People didn't buy what they were selling

I think the only reason most people didn't buy it was because it was softer , but I dug it. Since when can't "real" rock bands do a soft record. It was overly commercial , I give that credit to the producer was over produced for anything involving Slash and Co. People didn't buy it , but then again what was the top selling record of the year.... kanye west? Good music doesn't always sell.

[jarmo]

They are still touring off it?........ Besides since when did stop of promotion mean forgetting about it. I'm sure zeppelin didn't forget about IV , metallica didn't forget bout Justice, hell Guns didn't forget about AFD? Moving on and forgetting are very different things.

Oh right. Exactly what I meant. 

I'm not gonna spell out what I meant because most people understand what I meant by the comment that VR seem to want to forget about Libertad and focus on the next album if they decide to end the Libertad world tour in April.



/jarmo

[Ali]

In all fairness, I wouldn't use a lack of sales to be an indicator of a rock album's quality in the current climate of the music industry.

People just don't buy CDs anywhere near as much as they used to, so the fact that Libertad didn't sell as well as hoped doesn't make it necessarily a bad record.

Ali

[Wheres Izzy]

I think they should try and bring Izzy back in for some recording sessions.

Scott would probably never allow such a thing, so he'd definately need to be kicked to the curb

I've always thought that , it be cool to see Slash and Izzy back but 2 downfalls

1. If they are getting the VR and GNR comparsion and such NOW just imagine how it would be with izzy in the band! That would be billed as 4/5 of GNR....

2. They'd sound like too much of GNR , really SLASH and IZZY together....... 

EDIT: DAMN I didn't even think Slash Izzy AND Duff together , it would be WAYYYY too GNR sounding lol , I'd love to hear it but people would dog on it ALL the time , with reason too. Those 3 where the main backbone of the music , for the most part , i mean come on....

I'm really hoping Izzy makes it on to this solo album Slash has been mentioning he plans on doing. That would be amazing to get to hear them together on new material. I am not thinking it's too likely though. I think Slash might be building his rock fans up for a pretty big let down with the solo album talk cause I think it'll end up being like a Santana record with nothing but a bunch of pop stars and top 40 people. As much as it pains me to say, someone from american idol is probably more likely to be on there than Izzy lol

[AxlsMainMan]

I prefer VR by far.  Probably the flow of the music ... as it's much more 'rock' than STP. 

 

Uh, STP's entire catalogue "rocks" harder than anything I've heard from VR.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

In all fairness, I wouldn't use a lack of sales to be an indicator of a rock album's quality in the current climate of the music industry.

People just don't buy CDs anywhere near as much as they used to, so the fact that Libertad didn't sell as well as hoped doesn't make it necessarily a bad record.

Ali

While I definitely agree that sales don't = quality, the sales figures in this case, given that VR is filled with big stars and had a hit record not too long ago, the sales figures are at least somewhat indicative of the general public's reaction.  I know that sales are declining significantly every year, but going from 2,000,000 sold in 2004 to 220,000-240,000 sold in 2007 can't be explained away by record industry woes.  Libertad has been out for what 6 or 7 months now and still hasn't sold as many copies as Contraband did in its first week, which is pretty staggering. 

[SpiritDave]

I prefer VR by far.  Probably the flow of the music ... as it's much more 'rock' than STP. 

 

Uh, STP's entire catalogue "rocks" harder than anything I've heard from VR.

I didn't mean what you think I meant.  I like the sound and style of the VR stuff WAY more than the STP stuff.  I'm sorry but STP are fucking overrated.

[D]

I like Libertad but the reason it didnt sell is simple.

No GREAT SONGS


on Contraband u had SLither and FTP which were GREAT SONGS, YGNR live made people go out and buy the album and other great songs like STB, DIFTK etc.


Libertad kind of flatlines. There really is no arch. Every song is good but nothing is really great so the whole album is kind of on one plain and it never goes up.

If u asked 20 people their fav song on Libertad, I guarantee no song would get an overwhelming amount of votes.

CB u would have overwhelming numbers for Slither and FTP. Songs that make people buy albums and want to see u live.

CB was different. It started fuckin awesome with STB then right into DIFTK. an awesome back to back punch. it then settled down and segued into FTP and then started kicking ass again with Headspace, Superhuman Set me Free, Slither YGNR


CB had a great arch to it. U had good songs but 3 or 4 really Great songs and thats what sells albums.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I like Libertad but the reason it didnt sell is simple.

No GREAT SONGS


on Contraband u had SLither and FTP which were GREAT SONGS, YGNR live made people go out and buy the album and other great songs like STB, DIFTK etc.


Libertad kind of flatlines. There really is no arch. Every song is good but nothing is really great so the whole album is kind of on one plain and it never goes up.

If u asked 20 people their fav song on Libertad, I guarantee no song would get an overwhelming amount of votes.

CB u would have overwhelming numbers for Slither and FTP. Songs that make people buy albums and want to see u live.

CB was different. It started fuckin awesome with STB then right into DIFTK. an awesome back to back punch. it then settled down and segued into FTP and then started kicking ass again with Headspace, Superhuman Set me Free, Slither YGNR


CB had a great arch to it. U had good songs but 3 or 4 really Great songs and thats what sells albums.

I agree with what you said about Contraband, and I'd just add that Contraband's heaviness is what appealed to GnR fans who bought the album because of the former Gunners.  I think the significantly lighter and poppier vibe of Libertad as well as the lack of big, crunchy guitars probably turned off a significant number of the people who were into VR because of GnR