GNR Finish CD?

[Fretzo]

RollingStone's rock daily section is reporting a story from antimusic.com about Geffen having CD.? We may have started this rumor.

(antiMusic) The latest rumor swirling around Guns N' Roses is that the long over-due "Chinese Democracy" is complete and with the label but a new battle has emerged that is causing further delay.
We don't know how much stock to put into third or fourth generation rumors, but the word on the street is that Axl has turned in the CD to Geffen at long last but no release date is in sight because Axl and the label can not agree on the marketing of the album.

Are we closer to Chinese Democracy? We have no idea but we are hopeful. We have yet to hear back with the official denials or "no comment" from the GNR or Geffen camp but we'll keep you posted on what we hear officially or hearsay. Again this is all but rumor at this point , besides rumors are more fun than official news anyway.

Original Source
http://www.antimusic.com/news/08/jan/10GNR_Finish_CD.shtml

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http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily

[crazycheryl]

I think it is true but we will have to wait and see. So what if we started the rumor? Someone needs to push something in one direction or the other. Besides, maybe one of the camps will confirm the information so we finally know that it is true. I hope they confirm instead of saying No Comment. It would at least be nice to know it's there and marketing is the only deal now. If you hear any confirmation or reply at all, please post.
Thanks.

[younggunner]

who knows about the label actually having the album but there is def some truth about the whole promotion/marketing situation.

Bach has mentioned in a few of his radio interviews that Axl is trying to figure out the best possible way to release CD in this new era of music. I made a thread some time ago about this and was interested to see some ideas on how you think the band should release and promote the album in this new musical landscape.  I think it got moved(shocker )

If this is the only major hurdle thats left in this saga then I think we have a legit shot fo getting the album out sometime this year. I am sure Axl and the label can come up with something in the next few months.

[mrbucketfoot]

my parents didn't have sexual organs....they had rope.

it's interesting that Rolling Stone is reporting on these rumors. the poor journalism is a given but I would think that they heard something more than a rumor from an unofficial fansite (no offense).

[Bill 213]

I have to be blunt here..........what is so hard about marketing this release?

The myth surrounding it alone will cause great awareness.

Give a firm date 3 months or so in advance.

Play some serious live shows on television (Late Night/Awards Shows) and schedule a major world tour.

Make some ads, go on the radio, do some interviews, update the GNR website and make it have a shitload of stuff on it.

Perhaps a making of Chinese Democracy special on VH1.

Put it on iTunes with a bonus track.

Poster the fuck out of cities and put a giant billboard up in NYC and LA with the album date.

Really, I don't know what more there is to do to possibly market an album other than Axl going to every persons house and knocking on their door saying, "Buy this fucking album or I'll kick your teeth in".

To add......why not do a soundtrack release for a song, much like "You Could Be Mine".......that caused great awareness before UYI came out.  By the time it was released on UYI2....I probably heard the song 9000 times, destroying the cassette single.

[wight gunner]

Bach has mentioned in a few of his radio interviews that Axl is trying to figure out the best possible way to release CD in this new era of music. I

Should release it on 8 track, and have a factory producing 8 track players to go with it..... No feeker would see that coming would they.

[younggunner]

The myth surrounding it alone will cause great awareness.

Give a firm date 3 months or so in advance.

Play some serious live shows on television (Late Night/Awards Shows) and schedule a major world tour.

Make some ads, go on the radio, do some interviews, update the GNR website and make it have a shitload of stuff on it.

Perhaps a making of Chinese Democracy special on VH1.

Put it on iTunes with a bonus track.

Poster the fuck out of cities and put a giant billboard up in NYC and LA with the album date.

Really, I don't know what more there is to do to possibly market an album other than Axl going to every persons house and knocking on their door saying, "Buy this fucking album or I'll kick your teeth in".

To add......why not do a soundtrack release for a song, much like "You Could Be Mine".......that caused great awareness before UYI came out.  By the time it was released on UYI2....I probably heard the song 9000 times, destroying the cassette single.

what is so hard about marketing this release?

Because what you proposed makes too much sense

[Robman?]

I have to be blunt here..........what is so hard about marketing this release?

The myth surrounding it alone will cause great awareness.

Give a firm date 3 months or so in advance.

Play some serious live shows on television (Late Night/Awards Shows) and schedule a major world tour.

Make some ads, go on the radio, do some interviews, update the GNR website and make it have a shitload of stuff on it.

Perhaps a making of Chinese Democracy special on VH1.

Put it on iTunes with a bonus track.

Poster the fuck out of cities and put a giant billboard up in NYC and LA with the album date.

Really, I don't know what more there is to do to possibly market an album other than Axl going to every persons house and knocking on their door saying, "Buy this fucking album or I'll kick your teeth in".

To add......why not do a soundtrack release for a song, much like "You Could Be Mine".......that caused great awareness before UYI came out.  By the time it was released on UYI2....I probably heard the song 9000 times, destroying the cassette single.

Maybe Axl wanted to release a song along with a movie like Angels and Demons, but the writers strike is preventing anything from happening.

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

I think its all about the budget.  And for all we know, if these sides can't agree then CD could be shelved for a long time to come. 

[jarmo]

The myth surrounding it alone will cause great awareness.

Give a firm date 3 months or so in advance.

Play some serious live shows on television (Late Night/Awards Shows) and schedule a major world tour.

Make some ads, go on the radio, do some interviews, update the GNR website and make it have a shitload of stuff on it.

Perhaps a making of Chinese Democracy special on VH1.

Put it on iTunes with a bonus track.

Poster the fuck out of cities and put a giant billboard up in NYC and LA with the album date.

Really, I don't know what more there is to do to possibly market an album other than Axl going to every persons house and knocking on their door saying, "Buy this fucking album or I'll kick your teeth in".

To add......why not do a soundtrack release for a song, much like "You Could Be Mine".......that caused great awareness before UYI came out.  By the time it was released on UYI2....I probably heard the song 9000 times, destroying the cassette single.

what is so hard about marketing this release?

Because what you proposed makes too much sense

Assuming the above mentioned is true, the next issue is: Who pays for it all?



If you've worked hard on something, you don't want some half-assed promotion.

If you're a record company in 2008, you want to make money without spending any.


Why do you think they love to release "Best Of" albums after "Best Of" album?



/jarmo

[DemocracyRose]

The myth surrounding it alone will cause great awareness.

Give a firm date 3 months or so in advance.

Play some serious live shows on television (Late Night/Awards Shows) and schedule a major world tour.

Make some ads, go on the radio, do some interviews, update the GNR website and make it have a shitload of stuff on it.

Perhaps a making of Chinese Democracy special on VH1.

Put it on iTunes with a bonus track.

Poster the fuck out of cities and put a giant billboard up in NYC and LA with the album date.

Really, I don't know what more there is to do to possibly market an album other than Axl going to every persons house and knocking on their door saying, "Buy this fucking album or I'll kick your teeth in".

To add......why not do a soundtrack release for a song, much like "You Could Be Mine".......that caused great awareness before UYI came out.? By the time it was released on UYI2....I probably heard the song 9000 times, destroying the cassette single.

what is so hard about marketing this release?

Because what you proposed makes too much sense

Assuming the above mentioned is true, the next issue is: Who pays for it all?



If you've worked hard on something, you don't want some half-assed promotion.

If you're a record company in 2008, you want to make money without spending any.


Why do you think they love to release "Best Of" albums after "Best Of" album?



/jarmo

Yeah, i think it would have been a lot easier with that "plan" 6-10 years ago.

Nowadays the recordcompanies are in troubles with low record sales and the internet.

[mrbucketfoot]

Play some serious live shows on television (Late Night/Awards Shows) and schedule a major world tour.

Perhaps a making of Chinese Democracy special on VH1.

1. GNR will never play Late Nights or Award Shows ever again. Possibly a big award show, but I doubt it.
2. From my knowledge, the relationship between Axl and VH1 is estranged. Mostly due to that inaccurate, slanderous filth they called "Behind the Music", so I doubt there will be anything on VH1 (atleast accurate).

I think that the buzz will be incredible for hardcore music fans and industry professionals, however that's not who they promote for. They promote for the people on the fence or the people that have no interest and/or knowledge in the album or Guns N' Roses. The trick is doing that and making a sale. Obviously you want to maximize profits and minimize costs and any holdup is likely do to debate over such issues.

Sometimes it's not simply 'oh, hire this director for the music video and get it done' or 'release the album because people really want it'. People have schedules and as much as people want to change them, it's often very difficult getting things done. Look at the Hollywood movie system. Incredibly complex, lots of red-tape.

It's not just a matter of economics which I'm sure is part of it. It's doing things to a certain standard and not blowing your load early.

[JDA]

The myth surrounding it alone will cause great awareness.

Give a firm date 3 months or so in advance.

Play some serious live shows on television (Late Night/Awards Shows) and schedule a major world tour.

Make some ads, go on the radio, do some interviews, update the GNR website and make it have a shitload of stuff on it.

Perhaps a making of Chinese Democracy special on VH1.

Put it on iTunes with a bonus track.

Poster the fuck out of cities and put a giant billboard up in NYC and LA with the album date.

Really, I don't know what more there is to do to possibly market an album other than Axl going to every persons house and knocking on their door saying, "Buy this fucking album or I'll kick your teeth in".

To add......why not do a soundtrack release for a song, much like "You Could Be Mine".......that caused great awareness before UYI came out.  By the time it was released on UYI2....I probably heard the song 9000 times, destroying the cassette single.

what is so hard about marketing this release?

Because what you proposed makes too much sense

Assuming the above mentioned is true, the next issue is: Who pays for it all?



If you've worked hard on something, you don't want some half-assed promotion.

If you're a record company in 2008, you want to make money without spending any.


Why do you think they love to release "Best Of" albums after "Best Of" album?



/jarmo

I think Axl and the boys have to be willing to pay for a lot of it.  I think the record company has probably invested enough over the last 15yrs.  Pony up boys and get the f*ckin cd out.

[Bandita]

RollingStone's rock daily section is reporting a story from antimusic.com about Geffen having CD.? We may have started this rumor.

Or poor Richard did, inadvertently!

God, I really hope it is true though and they get whatever it is that is holding it up worked out soon!

[bodine]

Well at least hopefully the record company will either confirm or deny now. ?Probably not, but hopefully.

[bodine]

I think Axl and the boys have to be willing to pay for a lot of it.? I think the record company has probably invested enough over the last 15yrs.? Pony up boys and get the f*ckin cd out.

Well maybe not "and the boys" . . . . . . 

[grog mug]

I keep seeing this rumor over and over again!  Can it please be true this time, because if it is not only was Buckethead right when he said the album wouldn't be out until 2008, but maybe the trilogy thing Bach was talking about will actually be true!??!?!

[mrbucketfoot]

I'm sure the 'trilogy' thing is true in some regard. Multiple times Axl's talked about albums going between 1 and 2 and alluded to such a system, while mentioned it more directly in others.

Regardless, the Bucket thing is complete rumor if I believe. Or did he say that on the record? Anyway, it's 2008 now. No point of looking back.

P.S.: Also at http://idolator.com/343248/chinese-democracy-is-it-all-over-but-the-marketing-plan

[robertjohn]

who knows if it is true. i highly doubt any band would turn over a completed cd to their record company without having all the money issues resolved before hand. geffen has spent a lot of money already, but they must also spend to promote it. so, it makes sense this may be a sticking point.

[robertjohn]

Yes it's taken from the letter. But the point is, from 2006, the record company was unwilling to negotiate about marketing, promotion, video, etc. until the album was handed in. RobertJohn was saying that they wouldn't turn the album in unless the promo/etc. was finished. That is proved false by the letter from Merck.

So yes, they are negotiating, etc. now, but not before. Hey, for all we know, it could be finished. But from Merck's letter the general template is clear: release a single, promotion/go on tour, release the album.

well, i still dont think we know. just because the record company said they wont do promotion before the cd was handed in, that doesnt mean that the band will bend over and say "ok" and hand it in. that was geffens' position. that was not guns n roses' position. maybe one side changed their stance since then or maybe not. we do not know that...