Brittney Spears gives up kids after standoff

[LeftToDecay]

...sorry, ya lost me there.  Having a baby under 18 and "responsible and mature" seems pretty oxymoronic to me...just sayin'.

Sometimes accidents and fuck (pun! pun!) ups happen, regardless of how "responsible and mature" you are by default.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Sorry, I respectfully disagree with you.  Ya see, I have a penis.  I know that when it's erect, and I am in the presence of a vagina, I can make a baby. 

Responsible and mature people don't let it get to that point.  Sperm and eggs are like nuclear warheads.  There can be no fuck ups.  Unfortunately, everybody out there isn't responsible and mature.    

[Jessica]

Sorry, I respectfully disagree with you.? Ya see, I have a penis.? I know that when it's erect, and I am in the presence of a vagina, I can make a baby.?

Responsible and mature people don't let it get to that point.? Sperm and eggs are like nuclear warheads.? There can be no fuck ups.? Unfortunately, everybody out there isn't responsible and mature.? ??

Babes, there CAN be fuck ups, i fell pregnant of gaby when i was on the pill. i was not sick, was not on antibiotics, and did not forget to take it or take it with delay.

And condoms are not safer should they have a tiny hole eyes can't see.

Although i would have prefered if gabriel had come 6 months to 1 year later, i'm glad he's there now.

Offside, but just to illustrate that life works its own way sometimes.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Jessica, don't take it personally, but the birth control pill when taken correctly, (which means consistently, which means the same time of day every day, which means doing the same even with the placebo sugar pills that are taken for the 6 or 7 days of the cycle to allow for your period) is 99.99% effective in preventing pregnancy.  I like those odds.  Funnily enough, in real-world studies it's about 96% effective...makes ya wonder if those folks are taking it properly 100% of the time. 

Did I mention that ejaculation in the vagina is something to be avoided even when the female is on the pill? 

I'm sorry.  I'll say it again, responsible and mature people don't have unintended pregnancies...you may say "an otherwise responsible and mature person" had an unintended pregnancy, but the act was in no way a responsible act performed by a mature person. 

[Skeba]

Actually, according to a book "Hatcher, Robert A. (ed.): Contraceptive Technology, 18th rev. ed.", the perfect use pregnancyrate of the pill is 0,3%. This would mean that even when taken corretly, 1 in evert 350 or so do get pregnant.. and this is per year. The figure is a lot bigger than the 1 in every 10000. (wikipedia uses this as its source, so who knows)

I know there are a lot of studies, but I wouldn't be so quick to say that if you're only mature, and responsible, it's impossible to get pregnant.

[fuckin crazy]

 Probably half the people on this planet were "accidents". I can only think of a couple of couples that were trying to conceive when the wife became pregnant.

[Albert S Miller]

This is just really sad at this point.? How many years of therapy are these kids going to need after this?

Hopefully they are little enough still, it is possible they might have no memory of it later on.  In all truthfullness there isn't much I can remember about being 1 and 2, but then again that is me and I wasn't living in the same situation as a child.  I dunno like her or not I pray she accepts some serious help and meanwhile I myself will keep praying for her and her babies.

[Bandita]

This is just really sad at this point.? How many years of therapy are these kids going to need after this?

Hopefully they are little enough still, it is possible they might have no memory of it later on.? In all truthfullness there isn't much I can remember about being 1 and 2, but then again that is me and I wasn't living in the same situation as a child.? I dunno like her or not I pray she accepts some serious help and meanwhile I myself will keep praying for her and her babies.

They are that young now but they won't be that young forever.  In a few years they will be able to process even at a young age that Mommy and Daddy just aren't quite right.  Not to mention the substance abuse and the fighting, you think that doesn't take a toll even on a small child? 

I also have to agree with Axl4Prez, being on the pill is no excuse to be careless.  If you don't want to conceive (or get STDS!) a condom should also be used!  No contraceptive is foolproof hence why you should always be extra careful.  Especially nowadays!

[Albert S Miller]

This is just really sad at this point.? How many years of therapy are these kids going to need after this?

Hopefully they are little enough still, it is possible they might have no memory of it later on.? In all truthfullness there isn't much I can remember about being 1 and 2, but then again that is me and I wasn't living in the same situation as a child.? I dunno like her or not I pray she accepts some serious help and meanwhile I myself will keep praying for her and her babies.

They are that young now but they won't be that young forever.? In a few years they will be able to process even at a young age that Mommy and Daddy just aren't quite right.? Not to mention the substance abuse and the fighting, you think that doesn't take a toll even on a small child??

I also have to agree with Axl4Prez, being on the pill is no excuse to be careless.? If you don't want to conceive (or get STDS!) a condom should also be used!? No contraceptive is foolproof hence why you should always be extra careful.? Especially nowadays!

I totally agree, like I mentioned above I didn't live in the same situation.

[Axl4Prez2004]

This is just really sad at this point.? How many years of therapy are these kids going to need after this?

Hopefully they are little enough still, it is possible they might have no memory of it later on.? In all truthfullness there isn't much I can remember about being 1 and 2, but then again that is me and I wasn't living in the same situation as a child.? I dunno like her or not I pray she accepts some serious help and meanwhile I myself will keep praying for her and her babies.

They are that young now but they won't be that young forever.? In a few years they will be able to process even at a young age that Mommy and Daddy just aren't quite right.? Not to mention the substance abuse and the fighting, you think that doesn't take a toll even on a small child??

I also have to agree with Axl4Prez, being on the pill is no excuse to be careless.? If you don't want to conceive (or get STDS!) a condom should also be used!? No contraceptive is foolproof hence why you should always be extra careful.? Especially nowadays!

Thank you Bandita!  Damn, I don't know how chicks do it.  Who the hell knows where that things been?   

Now I'm just waiting for someone to say, "well, ya know, the pill and a condom combined aren't fool-proof."

F'in Crazy also said probably half the people on this planet are "accidents."  I'd say it's probably more.  I guess that tells ya how many responsible and mature people we have in this world.  Face it, a lot of folks just don't think things through. 

Britney's kids?  Scarred isn't the word.  Children are impacted by their environment from the first day they enter the world.
   

[norway]

I myself will keep praying for her and her babies.

How nice of you, I betcha Britney really appreciate it...

Face it, a lot of folks just don't think things through.?

You got that right, you don't have to think in this matter for example...can always trust the press

[Axl4Prez2004]

Norway, wtf???  I'm not using "the press" to get info. on Ms. Spears.  There are fucking court records, interview she's conducted, and her fucking presence at clubs at all hours!  Aww, am I being too harsh on that piece of shit mother in your eyes?  You really think she's a great mom who's just misunderstood?  Gimme a fuckin' break. 

[Albert S Miller]

I myself will keep praying for her and her babies.

How nice of you, I betcha Britney really appreciate it...

Face it, a lot of folks just don't think things through.?

You got that right, you don't have to think in this matter for example...can always trust the press

Well Norway Britty isn't in a position to appreciate anything or anyone including herself  at this time, and people like you who make such immature remarks don't even deserve to be heard, so when it comes to something I have to say, please don't waste your breath.

[D]

Wasn't it reported that her system was clean?



I think Britney is melting under her fame and I don't think anyone here could relate to how crazy it must be to have every single thing u do documented and to constantly have people piling on you when you are going through a difficult time.

I support her and like her, I can't comment on her parenting skills because Im not around her everyday, u just hear what the press want u to hear.


I don't understand how when the press say something about Axl its bullshit but when they say something about someone like Britney, people take it as 100 percent fact.

I know how hard it is to have your kid yanked away from u and it is one of the most brutal, heartbreaking things that can happen. When you are going through a breakdown, its easy for people to say "Get it together" but people who have been through extraordinarily difficult times know thats not as easy as it seems.

I hope she comes through Ok and is able to get on with her life.

[Bandita]

I think Britney is melting under her fame and I don't think anyone here could relate to how crazy it must be to have every single thing u do documented and to constantly have people piling on you when you are going through a difficult time.

I would otherwise agree with this but it's been reported many times that she has called the paparazzi on herself to report her whereabouts and what she is doing.  You can't really have much sympathy for someone who would do that.  She isn't putting her kids 1st because if she was she would care more about fixing herself to be a fit parent.

[D]

sometimes I think having kids is a crap shoot.


Sometimes, kids who come from horrible upbringings and shitty circumstances become great people.

Some kids who have the greatest parents in the universe, great enviroment this and that etc turn out to be serial killers

maybe not serial killers but u get my point.

[tim_m]

sometimes I think having kids is a crap shoot.


Sometimes, kids who come from horrible upbringings and shitty circumstances become great people.

Some kids who have the greatest parents in the universe, great enviroment this and that etc turn out to be serial killers

maybe not serial killers but u get my point.

Gotta mostly agree with you on this one. Me and my sister were raised exactly the same way and are completey different. I'm the responsible mature one. She is just a completely horrible person.

[fuckin crazy]

I think a lot of her problems go back to her education, or rather, lack there of. She was shipped off to be a child star after primary school. I think I remember hearing somewhere that her and Justin would blow off their tutors.

She is a dumb as a rock; I wonder if the some description is befitting of Justin.

[norway]

You really think she's a great mom who's just misunderstood?? Gimme a fuckin' break.?

No, I said I have no idea so I won't waste my time to comment. That and being negative is not my style
D put it out all fine.

I am more concerned when hostile, prejudgemental sheeplings get children TBH...which makes us dependant on good leaders, not good people.

please don't waste your breath.

Yeah, why do I bother wasting my time with people throwing insults around like you

but when they say something about someone like Britney, people take it as 100 percent fact.

"We are the angry mob, we read the papers everday" heard that tune?

No, don't get me wrong.
I am all for promoting the responsebillety needed for children, but not at the expense of others.

And the "she needs professional help" type of comments...I shouldn't have to explain it. I know it's not ment as helpful, constructive tips.

[Axl4Prez2004]

sometimes I think having kids is a crap shoot.

Sometimes, kids who come from horrible upbringings and shitty circumstances become great people.

Some kids who have the greatest parents in the universe, great enviroment this and that etc turn out to be serial killers

maybe not serial killers but u get my point.

1st off, Bandita's nailing these issues right on the head.  I agree 100%.   

2nd, D.  I guess you could call it a "crapshoot," but here's the kicker.  You as a parent can manipulate the odds.  You are basically the dirty casino owner.  You can load the dice.  The argument you make is akin to those who tell ya about George Burns living to 100 smoking cigars 12 hours a day since he was 8 years old, and then telling you "getting lung cancer is a crapshoot."  "Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't."  I think we both know that's a b.s. argument.

There are ways you can boost your odds of raising a good kid and having them become good adults.  Let's just say the reason I call Britney a bad parent is because she does things that decrease the odds of her kids turning out well-adjusted.
Good mothers with little ones at home don't party to all hours of the night and call the same paparazzi she blames for her problems to give her location. 

Also, D, make sure you aren't confusing "good parents" with families that have material possessions, big house, nice cars, etc.  Good parents come from all walks of life.  I'm sure you know that.  I think there are some people out there who don't.  Often, children of privilege are spoiled.  The parents work so damn much they feel guilty and slack on limits.  (some don't feel guilty and just aren't parental material...they have kids and they have no patience or ability to connect with kids...they have kids because it's expected, and that's a shame.)