CD w/ Label = Directly from Richard

[slashsbaconpit]

What it boils down to for me is that it doesn?t take a record company 10 years to make an album. It doesn?t even take them five years. In fact, I bet record companies could prep an album for release in as little as six months with a full advertsing campaign and everything. I know that Jarmo thinks that ?We can?t blame the band,? but who do you blame? Record companies want to make money, they are not going to delay a product years at a time, because that defeats their goal of making money. Oh, I know ?timing is everything.? But the time seems to be never.

Other than the fact that GNR is my favorite band, I shouldn?t care. I just do. But I guess I shouldn?t. It?s their legacy, specifically Axl?s legacy, that takes another leap into the toliet everytime a tentative date is set, or a vague promise is made that the album will be out by the end of the year, and nothing happens. In fact, I?ve grown to dislike hearing encouraging news from band members or Axl, because it usually means that we?re headed toward another year of non-release, followed by another long stretch of silence.

[Voodoochild]

I don't think the shows in 2006 and 2007 were exactly what we can call "silence".

[pilferk]

What it boils down to for me is that it doesn?t take a record company 10 years to make an album. It doesn?t even take them five years. In fact, I bet record companies could prep an album for release in as little as six months with a full advertsing campaign and everything. I know that Jarmo thinks that ?We can?t blame the band,? but who do you blame? Record companies want to make money, they are not going to delay a product years at a time, because that defeats their goal of making money. Oh, I know ?timing is everything.? But the time seems to be never.

Then it's never.  See, from what I understand of jarmo's reasoning (and I won't speak for him, it's just my understanding) is that his "We can't blame the band" relates to the fact we shouldn't really "expect" anything.  We need to come to grips with the fact the band OWES us nothing.  We have what we have.  CD is something we'd all like, but it's the bands art.  Thus, it will be ready when the band says it is.  "Blaming" them for the delay is like blaming Picasso because his Blue period was too long.  It just doesn't make sense.

Other than the fact that GNR is my favorite band, I shouldn?t care. I just do. But I guess I shouldn?t. It?s their legacy, specifically Axl?s legacy, that takes another leap into the toliet everytime a tentative date is set, or a vague promise is made that the album will be out by the end of the year, and nothing happens. In fact, I?ve grown to dislike hearing encouraging news from band members or Axl, because it usually means that we?re headed toward another year of non-release, followed by another long stretch of silence.

You nail it in the first couple sentences.   Sometimes it's frustrating, I suppose.  But...live life and expect nothing.  If we get another album (and I think we will, by hook or by crook), great.  If not, we've got a nice catalog to carry us forward.

[Smoking Guns]

Its like you marry a really hot girl that you have lots of sex with while you date, but once you marry, not sex and you shouldn't expect it.  Maybe a band like Buckcherry or Jet is like marrying the chubby chic that always wants to fuck.

[jarmo]

Just checking in.

Don't have anything to add right now.....

Happy new year! 



/jarmo

[Bartlet]

What it boils down to for me is that it doesn?t take a record company 10 years to make an album. It doesn?t even take them five years. In fact, I bet record companies could prep an album for release in as little as six months with a full advertsing campaign and everything. I know that Jarmo thinks that ?We can?t blame the band,? but who do you blame? Record companies want to make money, they are not going to delay a product years at a time, because that defeats their goal of making money. Oh, I know ?timing is everything.? But the time seems to be never.

Then it's never.? See, from what I understand of jarmo's reasoning (and I won't speak for him, it's just my understanding) is that his "We can't blame the band" relates to the fact we shouldn't really "expect" anything.? We need to come to grips with the fact the band OWES us nothing.? We have what we have.? CD is something we'd all like, but it's the bands art.? Thus, it will be ready when the band says it is.? "Blaming" them for the delay is like blaming Picasso because his Blue period was too long.? It just doesn't make sense.

Other than the fact that GNR is my favorite band, I shouldn?t care. I just do. But I guess I shouldn?t. It?s their legacy, specifically Axl?s legacy, that takes another leap into the toliet everytime a tentative date is set, or a vague promise is made that the album will be out by the end of the year, and nothing happens. In fact, I?ve grown to dislike hearing encouraging news from band members or Axl, because it usually means that we?re headed toward another year of non-release, followed by another long stretch of silence.

You nail it in the first couple sentences.? ?Sometimes it's frustrating, I suppose.? But...live life and expect nothing.? If we get another album (and I think we will, by hook or by crook), great.? If not, we've got a nice catalog to carry us forward.

Well, if we're sayin by hook or by crook, and if you mean whyat i think you mean, then yes, there will be more gnr albums, possibly of thus far unnoficially unreleased (and possibly unheard - spot the diference) stuff.

[Bartlet]

Just checking in.

Don't have anything to add right now.....

Happy new year!?



/jarmo

LOL! Same to you 

[gav]

Just checking in.

Don't have anything to add right now.....

Happy new year!?



/jarmo


happy new year fella, what ya up to tonight?

[ppbebe]

Welcome to 2008!

[jarmo]

happy new year fella, what ya up to tonight?

Drinking.... More drinking.

 


/jarmo

[Jim Bob]

Just checking in.

Don't have anything to add right now.....

Happy new year! 



/jarmo

aw man c'mon can't you tell us some inside info 

happy new year gunners!

[greendog]

It really wouldn't suprise me if Jarmo is infact Axl. Everything that points to Jarmo been another human being and people who know Jarmo are just cover ups.

Or maybe im just drinking too much and getting stupidly silly. 

[Bandita]

OK, as today's "top friend of jarmo", can I make a suggestion?

Oh, no no you can't be the top friend of Jarmo, that is my spot as I was told so!  We may have to mud wrestle for it!

Happy New Year everyone!

[Bartlet]

OK im out for the remainder, happy new year everyone. enjoy. and if you cant enjoy iy, i hope next year's better for you.

[norway]

But it's a cool little heads up from Richard.
I can't begin to pretend to imagine any clue about where they are in the process of getting CD released, but it is nice now and then to get these little head-nods that indicate forward motion.

Yeah, I'm hoping for more news/updates after new years...about my fucking snowblower he OWES me and been waiting on for years!

CD is something we'd all like

Yeah, I see some fans whine about a lousy CD, yet they are perfectly fine with Norwegians (and some sweedes) going without snowblowers.
If thats not a hyporcritical fan then I don't know what is.

And then all the Ibeliveinaxl asskissers will tell me how Axl don't owe me a snowblower...please.

Welcome to 2008!

Soooooooooon, Happy New year all!

PS/ quote of the year?

and people who know Jarmo are just cover ups.

[bodine]

Just checking in.

Don't have anything to add right now.....

Happy new year!?



/jarmo

You better hope Jarmo doesn't see this post, as it adds nothing to the conversation...  Oh, nevermind.... 

Happy New Year all!!!

[greendog]

PS/ quote of the year?

and people who know Jarmo are just cover ups.

Im glad my paranoea ammused you. 

Happy New Year everyone! 

[D]

Hey Jarmo

While u are at Axl's house tonight partying

Give me a call during the CD listening party!

[slashsbaconpit]

Then it's never.? See, from what I understand of jarmo's reasoning (and I won't speak for him, it's just my understanding) is that his "We can't blame the band" relates to the fact we shouldn't really "expect" anything.? We need to come to grips with the fact the band OWES us nothing.? We have what we have.? CD is something we'd all like, but it's the bands art.? Thus, it will be ready when the band says it is.? "Blaming" them for the delay is like blaming Picasso because his Blue period was too long.? It just doesn't make sense.

Problem is the band is the one factor that has built expectation. Touring under the Chinese Democracy banner, and telling people "It'll be out this year ... no wait, THIS year ... no, uh, THIS YEAR for sure!"

You can't have it both ways. If you want your fans to not expect anything, then you don't go pop it into at random club to preview it. You don't let "leaked" copies of songs out. You don't play it for your VIP friends who are going to talk to the press and say "It's done and and it's great!" You can't go out and say it's coming "really soon" and then turn around and tell the fans to expect nothing.

But that is exactly what's been going on. And it's not fair to GNRs fans. GNR wouldn't mean a God damn thing if it weren't for all the fans who are not rich or famous VIPs.

Imagine if you went shopping at your favorite grocery store and they didn't have any bread (or beer), and the manager told you, "Its on the next shipment, it's coming." So you check back. Again, no bread (or beer), and again the manager says "It's on the way, it's not my fault, the delivery truck broke down, but we have crackers and Zima." And again and again it happens, and you get more excuses, like "Oh, the warehouse is out ... oh it just takes a long time to bake bread and brew beer ... oh the home office won't let us sell bread and beer until later in the year."

Eventually, you quit checking back. I think that's what's going on now. A lot of fans are tired of waiting, so they are not checking back.

[faldor]

I see your point and realize you're just using an analogy, but a grocery store not having bread or beer is far different than Chinese Democracy not coming out.  As people have stated before, music is a form of art.  It can and will only be released when those that created it feel that it's ready to be released.  And as has been stated before,the band owes us absolutely nothing.  If the album never comes out are our lives gonna be less worth living?  I can understand how some people may be tired of waiting, that's fine, that's your perogative.  All I can say is it'll come out if it's meant to be and don't believe any of these rumors until you hear OFFICIAL word or better yet see Chinese Democracy on the shelves of your local record store.