Baz "axl really wanted CD out this year"

[marino95]

Why do you keep comparing GN'R to other bands? They're not like other bands.

If they were, things would be pretty boring.....


I don't know the details of why it's not out at this moment, but I tend to think that Baz knows what he's talking about. He's not some guy who met Axl in 1990 and has used that ever since to make himself some money.


This is "not just another album". If you went through all this to get it right and finished, wouldn't you want to make sure its release does it justice?

I think the album deserves it.





/jarmo

Well said.... I completely agree.

[pilferk]

You know, it's funny.

I've stayed out of the GnR "discussion" of late because not much has happened.

So today, having some "slow" time to work through, I decided to peruse some of the threads.

And then I had to look at the calender...because it sure feels like it's December of 2003 again.

Same discussions , same dissatisfaction from "fans" who sound an awful lot like some of the same "fans" in 2003, 2004, 2005, late 2006...ad infinitum.

It is what it is.  No amount of whining, complaining, bitching, moaning or screaming is going to change things.  The album isn't out.  It may be out "soon". It may be out 10 years after Axl kicks the bucket when the label gets access to the vault.  In either case...nothing anybody on this board says is going to change it.

It's an album.  Even if it is the greatest album of all time, it will still be JUST an album.  So what use is there is BITCHING about the what's, who's, and why's of the reasoning behind it being delayed in it's delivery to the public?  'Cause I can't see a one.

Unless some of you are under the impression Axl gives a flying fuck what you think/want/believe in all this.  His goal is to, ultimately, release the album on his terms, in the best light/way possible.  If you think otherwise, you're fooling yourself.

HOW/WHEN/WHERE he decides to do that isn't even in the realm of capability for any of us to make.  Why? Because we have no earthly fucking clue what's really going on.  You can speculate, you can ponder, you can suppose, but the reality is this: You don't fucking know. Period. End of story.  You have not walked the mile in the man's moccasins. You have not, for example, dealt with a 10th of the bureaucratic  bullshit that goes along with dealing with a major record label.  You haven't, for example,  tried to convince someone to spend millions of dollars on a project you KNOW would be successful, if only they'd invest in "proper promotion".  You haven't, for example, gone back and forth with lawyers over 3 tiny words that completely chance the intent or execution of the clause of a contract (witness Greatest Hits, for example).  All things that occur every day in the recording industry.  All things that need to be dealt with.  You can poo-poo them if you like, simply because they don't fit into your "preconception" of what SHOULD be, but please don't expect anyone to take you seriously when you do.

I have no issue with people commiserating about the delay.  I have no problem with people being disappointed.  I expect it, and, hey, at the end of the day I'm right there with you.  But the bitching "at Axl" about it?  About the reasoning behind it? About placing "blame"? Not so much.  Because, in the grand scheme of things, IT'S AN ALBUM.  It's not civil war.  It's not global catastrophe.  It doesn't impact your ability to make a living, feed your family, or find happiness in the world (or, rather, it SHOULDN'T!)

 It's artistic expression from a group of individuals, led by a particular individual.  Their art, their reasons, their schedule.

[slashsbaconpit]

Baz said Axl wanted CD out this year. Many reports say the record is done. Some feel it is the record company waiting for the music industry to come out of its financial nose dive before releasing CD (because it reportedly cost a bunch of bucks to make).

I just read in Wired Magazine about a record exec. who is pissed about Ipods and such, and is trying to control the market and put the kibosh on MP3s, except through a new system that is being created with Microsoft.

Anyway, my point is, if the record industry is waiting to unleash CD at a time when it's finances are doing great, we may have a very long wait indeed. And it's not Axl's fault.   

Food for thought for those like me who keep hounding anyone we can for a release date for CD!

[Ali]

You know, it's funny.

I've stayed out of the GnR "discussion" of late because not much has happened.

So today, having some "slow" time to work through, I decided to peruse some of the threads.

And then I had to look at the calender...because it sure feels like it's December of 2003 again.

Same discussions , same dissatisfaction from "fans" who sound an awful lot like some of the same "fans" in 2003, 2004, 2005, late 2006...ad infinitum.

It is what it is.? No amount of whining, complaining, bitching, moaning or screaming is going to change things.? The album isn't out.? It may be out "soon". It may be out 10 years after Axl kicks the bucket when the label gets access to the vault.? In either case...nothing anybody on this board says is going to change it.

It's an album.? Even if it is the greatest album of all time, it will still be JUST an album.? So what use is there is BITCHING about the what's, who's, and why's of the reasoning behind it being delayed in it's delivery to the public?? 'Cause I can't see a one.

Unless some of you are under the impression Axl gives a flying fuck what you think/want/believe in all this.? His goal is to, ultimately, release the album on his terms, in the best light/way possible.? If you think otherwise, you're fooling yourself.

HOW/WHEN/WHERE he decides to do that isn't even in the realm of capability for any of us to make.? Why? Because we have no earthly fucking clue what's really going on.? You can speculate, you can ponder, you can suppose, but the reality is this: You don't fucking know. Period. End of story.? You have not walked the mile in the man's moccasins. You have not, for example, dealt with a 10th of the bureaucratic? bullshit that goes along with dealing with a major record label.? You haven't, for example,? tried to convince someone to spend millions of dollars on a project you KNOW would be successful, if only they'd invest in "proper promotion".? You haven't, for example, gone back and forth with lawyers over 3 tiny words that completely chance the intent or execution of the clause of a contract (witness Greatest Hits, for example).? All things that occur every day in the recording industry.? All things that need to be dealt with.? You can poo-poo them if you like, simply because they don't fit into your "preconception" of what SHOULD be, but please don't expect anyone to take you seriously when you do.

I have no issue with people commiserating about the delay.? I have no problem with people being disappointed.? I expect it, and, hey, at the end of the day I'm right there with you.? But the bitching "at Axl" about it?? About the reasoning behind it? About placing "blame"? Not so much.? Because, in the grand scheme of things, IT'S AN ALBUM.? It's not civil war.? It's not global catastrophe.? It doesn't impact your ability to make a living, feed your family, or find happiness in the world (or, rather, it SHOULDN'T!)

 It's artistic expression from a group of individuals, led by a particular individual.? Their art, their reasons, their schedule.

As well put as anyone has put it.

Well done, pilferk.  Well done.

Ali

[Lucky]

GNR is nothing special in the eyes of the record company...
they are just another band...
if the record companies waited for a magical solution to downloading then there would be very few albums released...


the only solution for the record companies is to create a completely new medium instead of a cd/dvd with higher audio quality and make it incompatible with computer hardware...

[The_Wretched]

audio can still be ripped from dvd's. i know cuz i do that. i rip the live dvd's so i can hear em in my car.

the mp3 theory is good... but not true. if that was the case... then no cd's would be released now.

they don't expect for CD to sell 20million copies... it ain't gonna happen. not now not ever... that time has come and gone my friend. their ultimate goal is to recoup as much as much as they can that they've lost.

[wight gunner]

audio can still be ripped from dvd's. i know cuz i do that. i rip the live dvd's so i can hear em in my car.

the mp3 theory is good... but not true. if that was the case... then no cd's would be released now.

they don't expect for CD to sell 20million copies... it ain't gonna happen. not now not ever... that time has come and gone my friend. their ultimate goal is to recoup as much as much as they can that they've lost.

But they will want 20 million sales, in whatever way they can, download or compact disc's they record company want their money back and some!! The thoughts on 2or3 albums worth may be the problem.  How to maximise sales for all of them, how to set a promotion in place for all of them and to ensure that there is a demand for all of them

[maynard]

Why do you keep comparing GN'R to other bands? They're not like other bands.

If they were, things would be pretty boring.....


I don't know the details of why it's not out at this moment, but I tend to think that Baz knows what he's talking about. He's not some guy who met Axl in 1990 and has used that ever since to make himself some money.


This is "not just another album". If you went through all this to get it right and finished, wouldn't you want to make sure its release does it justice?

I think the album deserves it.





/jarmo

WAIT FOR CD IS BORING, for God's sake. You as an admin must be bored, just look at the front page of this forum.

[Voodoochild]

^ You know what's worse? To bitch about how bored you are! 



Maybe they want to put the songs in soundtracks (games and/or movies) to maximize their profit. Maybe there's some of it that doesn't exactly fits in Axl's concept of worth.

I dunno, there must be a million reasons. I just don't think it's easy as many people think just in order to blame Axl again.

[greendog]

If hewant the album out, then he should put it on the website for download...

And.. get sued?

not if he leaks it all stealth like.

its really not that hard to do.

[chriskon72]

   
    You know there is so many posts to agree with. I don't sit around waiting for a new
Floyd album/tour, I don't sit around waiting for a new Robert Plant album/tour. I swear to god i don't want to bitch but this Soap Opera has gone on too long. When the two persons/bands I mentioned do announce a date/tentative date it is more or less met. I mean we are talking about March 6 and after that ASAP we would know the next tentative/release date. that is almost a year ago, without hearing not a fuckin thing. More than anything I think it is a shame, because news, any news could be awsome, positive etc.

[jarmo]

WAIT FOR CD IS BORING, for God's sake. You as an admin must be bored, just look at the front page of this forum.

That so called wait is what YOU make it to be.

If it's boring, then maybe your life is boring.




/jarmo

[cineater]

From the Rope:

Music industry layoffs on the horizon
Dec 3, 2007, 10:29 PM | by Shirley Halperin
Categories: Music Biz

There's industry talk of a "Black Monday" on the horizon at several major record labels, including SonyBMG and Island DefJam, as reported by Digital Music News. Now, we've learned, Geffen might also see the ax come down this week. According to several insiders, as much as 80 percent of the staff may lose their jobs as part of a massive restructuring at Interscope/Geffen/A&M. The label would ostensibly be folded into market-share behemoth, Interscope ? home to Gwen Stefani, Fergie, Sheryl Crow, and U2 ? headed by Jimmy Iovine. It's unclear what that would mean for artists like Ashlee Simpson and Mary J. Blige, who has a new album coming out on Dec. 14. Or for label president Ron Fair, the mastermind behind recent successes like the Pussycat Dolls. All, we suspect, will have a future at Interscope. (Representatives of the label declined to comment.) Elsewhere in the Universal Music Group, Island DefJam executive VP of promotion Greg Thompson left the company, it was announced on Friday, sparking chatter about a wider executive exodus.

As for SonyBMG, Digital Music News reports Columbia, headed by Rick Rubin and Steve Barnett, will bear the brunt of a cut, but our sources say Epic's future may be on the line as well. Or at least the Epic we've come to know, which has had recent successes by the likes of Sean Kingston and Good Charlotte. "It's just tumbleweeds [at the Santa Monica offices]," says an insider who works out of the Sony building. "At 3 in the afternoon, the lights aren't even on." Adds another: "It's the culture of an ever-shrinking business, which feels a lot of things are outsourceable." Still, a senior Epic executive contends the label has already seen its major cuts go down "when no one was looking" and adds, "in six months to a year, who knows what will happen, but for now, Epic is a lean and mean frontline label that's already a small, tight machine where the business plan functions." On the formerly-known-as BMG side, Arista artists have already been divvied between Jive (urban acts like Usher and Pink) and RCA (pop acts including Avril Lavigne, Christina Aguilera, and Chris Daughtry), but we hear RCA may also see some significant changes. (Reps for Columbia and Epic declined to comment.) At least J Records can rest easy: Clive and Co. have a platinum seller in Alicia Keys, with Whitney Houston on the way.

[Axlzroxchic]

For fucks sake stop the bitching already! The album will come out when it's ready to come out and not before, until then focus on something else. It's not actually hurting you that it isn't out yet so stop.

thanks YOU!!! thats what im saying... 

[gunns1]

For fucks sake stop the bitching already! The album will come out when it's ready to come out and not before, until then focus on something else. It's not actually hurting you that it isn't out yet so stop.

thanks YOU!!! thats what im saying...?

I dont get it,

blaming axl, the band, geffen, whatever,

Isnt going to put the album out any quicker,


We can all say its axls fault for not having the album out,
WE can all say hes a perfectionist, and that he just wants every single song to be as near perfect that is humanly possible,
we can all say its geffens fault, How they are waiting for a perfect time when illegal downloads are at a minimum, and everyone in the world has gotten rich, where they can just go out and buy cds from their favourite artists at 15-20 bucks a pop (even if they just like 2-3 songs on the cd)


Now, my point being, If 1, 2 or all 3 of those reasons are true, Great,
but bitching about it, and finding excuses and slagging of the band isnt getting the cd closer,

Lets just say I said "Axls the whole problem for the hold - up on cd,
Great, now, does that mean we are any closer to cd or not?
No, so people get the fcuk on with your lifes, and find something thats actually worth complaining about,
some people on here must have a hard time in life,
if they think if a cd coming out sooner or later is the be - all end - all  which will define if they are going to be happy in life

[bodine]

From the Rope:

Music industry layoffs on the horizon
Dec 3, 2007, 10:29 PM | by Shirley Halperin
Categories: Music Biz

There's industry talk of a "Black Monday" on the horizon at several major record labels, including SonyBMG and Island DefJam, as reported by Digital Music News. Now, we've learned, Geffen might also see the ax come down this week. According to several insiders, as much as 80 percent of the staff may lose their jobs as part of a massive restructuring at Interscope/Geffen/A&M. The label would ostensibly be folded into market-share behemoth, Interscope ? home to Gwen Stefani, Fergie, Sheryl Crow, and U2 ? headed by Jimmy Iovine. It's unclear what that would mean for artists like Ashlee Simpson and Mary J. Blige, who has a new album coming out on Dec. 14. Or for label president Ron Fair, the mastermind behind recent successes like the Pussycat Dolls. All, we suspect, will have a future at Interscope. (Representatives of the label declined to comment.) Elsewhere in the Universal Music Group, Island DefJam executive VP of promotion Greg Thompson left the company, it was announced on Friday, sparking chatter about a wider executive exodus.

As for SonyBMG, Digital Music News reports Columbia, headed by Rick Rubin and Steve Barnett, will bear the brunt of a cut, but our sources say Epic's future may be on the line as well. Or at least the Epic we've come to know, which has had recent successes by the likes of Sean Kingston and Good Charlotte. "It's just tumbleweeds [at the Santa Monica offices]," says an insider who works out of the Sony building. "At 3 in the afternoon, the lights aren't even on." Adds another: "It's the culture of an ever-shrinking business, which feels a lot of things are outsourceable." Still, a senior Epic executive contends the label has already seen its major cuts go down "when no one was looking" and adds, "in six months to a year, who knows what will happen, but for now, Epic is a lean and mean frontline label that's already a small, tight machine where the business plan functions." On the formerly-known-as BMG side, Arista artists have already been divvied between Jive (urban acts like Usher and Pink) and RCA (pop acts including Avril Lavigne, Christina Aguilera, and Chris Daughtry), but we hear RCA may also see some significant changes. (Reps for Columbia and Epic declined to comment.) At least J Records can rest easy: Clive and Co. have a platinum seller in Alicia Keys, with Whitney Houston on the way.

Now that's interesting.  Thanks!  This would make more sense to have an impact on the CD more than anything else that's been written...

[cineater]

Thank you!  The next person who says Axl's fault gets their ass kicked.

[cineater]

I'm sorry, that was uncalled for.  I had been some where else.

Let me explain what I think is going on.  When you take a company out of business or reorgainize it, there a certain tax advantages and you can get rid of debt or delay it.  I'm not Donald Trump but if I was Geffen and knew I was going down I'd save the GNR cd and the money I thought it would bring in for the next company or restructed company.

Just my thoughts.  I could be way off.

[Orgasmatron]

If it weren't for quality bands putting out excellent material the way Megadeth, Helloween and the like have, I'm sure I would have hung myself years ago.. This wait really is shitting me

Funny I'm even saying this, because I saw GN'R in June, and it was easily the best concert I'd seen, blaargh ignore me

[CheapJon]

not telling anyone to run their site in any way.. but there really should be only one Baz talking about axl thread IMO.. I just found this and don't know if it has been posted and don't feel the need to start a new thread about it anyway here's from ultimate guitar:

I heard you make a guest appearance on one of the tracks on Chinese Democracy as well.


Yes, I sang a song on Chinese Democracy called "Sorry," and sorry I don't know when it's coming out! It's sort of like John Lennon was asking me to sing on The Beatles' record. When that comes out, people are going to freak out that we finally have a new Guns' album. There I am on it!