Baz "axl really wanted CD out this year"

[Voodoochild]

^^ Of course not, because you don't want to.

I'm talking about the title of the thread: "Axl really wanted CD out THIS YEAR".

I'm not saying the issues with the record company is the only reason for taking so long, I never said that and I don't think Mr Bucketfoot did either.

^^ Yeah, because Axl never had problems with the record company before and would willing to give the album some half-assed promotion or whatever just to have it released ASAP, huh?

hysteria, in its day, wa by no means a half-assed album, it was HUGE, and that band overcame all their problems..... a drummer with one arm is a bigger problem than the excuses we've heard round here for the delay.

Again, I'm talking about this year. They finished the record late this year, how can you compare to Hysteria? Also, it's another band, another record company, another time and another issue.

It was sure a big problem to have the drummer with only one arm. But then again, this is more about recording than business itself.

End of the day i just want to hear new music from my fave band, and i think i will do, i just don't understand/ comprehend how that can take so long even after listening to the reasons suggested.

I don't know why it took so long and I'm not trying to find any excuses/reasons for that. I do have a guess that we didn't have the album by the end of 2007 because of contractual stuff.

[PrimaDonna]

What bothers me is that we have been discussing this issues over and over and over again. The theories have been mentioned several times, and copycat threads pop up every now and then.

We are sad because of the situation. And it is quite sad.

I BADLY want a date to relate to. I want an indication. I want to know SOMETHING.

But I also want Axl to do things his own way. I want him to take the time he needs, coz this is his work, not mine.

But there are many compromises possible...a little info..just a LITTLE would ease the burden on us fans..I think we deserve it.. Coz at the end of the day, WE guarantee that the album will sell a million copies world wide.

[RoxyCotton]

In an effort to counteract all of the negativity and childlike ignorance, I will hopefully shed some light on the managerial and marketing process in hopes that it will provide some clarity into your dark, clouded prepubescent minds. And since I doubt that any of you monkeys actually understand the labor involved with releasing an album, I'll try my best to cover the basics.

Hey Mr. bucketfoot, FYI, if you want people here to respect you and to listen to you, dont start your lesson by insulting everyone on the board you idiot!

[Jim Bob]

you made the same post 4 times and can't even quote it correctly... and bucketfoot is the idiot?

[Warchild]

They NEED to further explain the business thing that has gotten in the way the last 15 years.? I would love to know exactly what that is.

What you THINK you NEED to know may be none of your business......dig?

WARCHILD

[Warchild]

you made the same post 4 times and can't even quote it correctly... and bucketfoot is the idiot?

Oh Hell Yes Jim Bob With His Ultimate wisdom......I admire you dude.....you rock!
KUDOS
W.

[Gargh!]

People, I think you are all taking this far too seriously.  Yes, I want to hear the record too; but remember that Chinse Democracy is just an album, and however kickass GnR may be they are just a band.  Live your lives and if you really want some kickass music then either write it yourself or listen to Wintersun or somebody else.  Hell, listen to AFD, that's a good album.

If it comes it, it comes out; if it doesn't, it doesn't.  Remember that its just an album, no matter how long you've been waiting for it.  There's more than enough other albums to listen to in the meantime.

[Warchild]

People, I think you are all taking this far too seriously.? Yes, I want to hear the record too; but remember that Chinse Democracy is just an album, and however kickass GnR may be they are just a band.? Live your lives and if you really want some kickass music then either write it yourself or listen to Wintersun or somebody else.? Hell, listen to AFD, that's a good album.

If it comes it, it comes out; if it doesn't, it doesn't.? Remember that its just an album, no matter how long you've been waiting for it.? There's more than enough other albums to listen to in the meantime.

it will come out.....might not be when you want it..but, oh well....wintersun> seriously!!!! but it is gaged to kick afd in the gonads........chidem is worth waiting for..from one in the know....hi jarmo...kudos!!!

warchild

[bodine]

If you had read my post properly, you would have noticed the last sentence which talked about condescension and one of the first sentences which talked about me trying to provide insight to people who think things are as simple as "putting the album out" and rebuking the individuals behaving childishly without end, rhyme or reason as they say.

No one got to the last sentence 'cause you were an arrogant putz. 

[Gunner17]

it's not really important to me, whoever's fault it is that cd is not out yet. i'm just sad it has not been released yet.

I like that attitude.

[Jaci_Roxx]

People, I think you are all taking this far too seriously.? Yes, I want to hear the record too; but remember that Chinse Democracy is just an album, and however kickass GnR may be they are just a band.? Live your lives and if you really want some kickass music then either write it yourself or listen to Wintersun or somebody else.? Hell, listen to AFD, that's a good album.

If it comes it, it comes out; if it doesn't, it doesn't.? Remember that its just an album, no matter how long you've been waiting for it.? There's more than enough other albums to listen to in the meantime.

I think that's exactly what Axl said some time ago... 

[seely]

I don't know if this has been said yet, but IF AXL WANTED IT OUT THIS YEAR-IT WOULD BE OUT!!!

Yep, my betting is that we're gonna get another 'Open Letter From Axl Rose' like we did last christmas where he'll give us a load of old pony about how he tried his best, it wasn't his fault e.t.c, and then he'll set another 'Tentative' release date just so we can shut up and leave him alone for a few months

Mr. Rose, on behalf of us all, i say to you:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Maybe that explains why you don't get your beloved regular updates about who ate what and when......



/jarmo

I havn't a clue what you are going on about my friend!

[Jim Bob]

I havn't a clue what you are going on about my friend!

he's saying that, perhaps.. maybe.. possibly, the reason axl doesn't like to speak very much is because everytime he does, folks like you put everything he says under a microscope, twist his words, and make him out to be a liar/asshole.

[elmir]

I havn't a clue what you are going on about my friend!

he is saying that you should keep your poorly informed and badly worded opinions to yourself, as you're not helping us, you, or the band with such criticism.

[seely]

Ahhh, now i understand!

[horsey]

ahh it's nice ta see WARCHILD  is making his rouinds '
hey buddy how'z it hangin lol.'my famous saying '
everything that rockz !

[disease51883]

It's great to have someone with an actual background in business here on the board. I, for one, am hanging on his every word like a caveman staring at a lighter.

[marino95]

I completely agree what someone else said - if Axl wanted this CD out, it would be out next week.

Do you understand how ridiculous that is?


This all seems to come down to one thing. Some of you feel like you're owed this album. Get over that. It's not your decision to dictate when others should release their art/work or even how.


Here we have a bunch of "fans" who still think the band they're supposed to be fans of don't want to release music. Amazing.




/jarmo

And round and round we go.....

I don't feel like I'm owed anything at all.  They don't have to ever release another record or tour or anything.  For instance, I'd love it if a reunited Pink Floyd came around on tour again - but they certainly don't owe me - they've given me great experiences and music in the past and that's good enough for me.

I know you're somewhat close to the band, but I am a little confused that you believe that they really want to release an album, but can't.  I just have seen many other bands I love- including bands with massive personnel changes, legal troubles, and even medical/rehab/death issues - pump out one album after another.  Now, the thing I appreciate about Axl is his attention to detail and perfectionism - but I'm more inclined to speculate that this is the real issue for the delay (not "business issues"), that's all.  But of course, I don't KNOW for sure.

And frankly, almost every other major band (U2, Foo Fighters, Coldplay, Green Day, SOAD, whoever) uses their website or the media to communicate with fans what is going on.  Sure, they don't OWE us that - but it sure would be nice!  We hear from Axl rarely, and when we do (or when we get leaks or see a tour) we all get worked up in anticipation for the "Return of GNR", only to be let down again by months of deafening silence.

I think that's all the "critics" on here are really saying - it's frustrating and people are just trying to vent a little.  All that has to happen for this "element" to stop is for us to be given some sort of information.  That's all!!!!

[jarmo]

Why do you keep comparing GN'R to other bands? They're not like other bands.

If they were, things would be pretty boring.....


I don't know the details of why it's not out at this moment, but I tend to think that Baz knows what he's talking about. He's not some guy who met Axl in 1990 and has used that ever since to make himself some money.


This is "not just another album". If you went through all this to get it right and finished, wouldn't you want to make sure its release does it justice?

I think the album deserves it.





/jarmo

[chineseblues]

For fucks sake stop the bitching already! The album will come out when it's ready to come out and not before, until then focus on something else. It's not actually hurting you that it isn't out yet so stop.