Baz "axl really wanted CD out this year"

[jarmo]

I don't know if this has been said yet, but IF AXL WANTED IT OUT THIS YEAR-IT WOULD BE OUT!!!

Yep, my betting is that we're gonna get another 'Open Letter From Axl Rose' like we did last christmas where he'll give us a load of old pony about how he tried his best, it wasn't his fault e.t.c, and then he'll set another 'Tentative' release date just so we can shut up and leave him alone for a few months

Mr. Rose, on behalf of us all, i say to you:                         

Maybe that explains why you don't get your beloved regular updates about who ate what and when......




/jarmo

[marino95]

I enjoyed the "lesson" from Mr Bucketfoot.  That was classic.  But isn't 10 years long enough to do all of those things?  Plus it's been a few years now since we were told the album was just about done and coming out soon.

I'm sorry, but IMO this is 100% Axl Rose and his own issues about releasing music.  It just can't be all about business at this point.  Nothing takes 10 years.   

Hell, Def Leppard had a drummer lose an arm and a studio burn down (with the master tapes) when they were making Hysteria, and it still was out in about 4 years after Pyromania.

I completely agree what someone else said - if Axl wanted this CD out, it would be out next week.

[Bartlet]

I enjoyed the "lesson" from Mr Bucketfoot.? That was classic.? But isn't 10 years long enough to do all of those things?? Plus it's been a few years now since we were told the album was just about done and coming out soon.

I'm sorry, but IMO this is 100% Axl Rose and his own issues about releasing music.? It just can't be all about business at this point.? Nothing takes 10 years.? ?

Hell, Def Leppard had a drummer lose an arm and a studio burn down (with the master tapes) when they were making Hysteria, and it still was out in about 4 years after Pyromania.

I completely agree what someone else said - if Axl wanted this CD out, it would be out next week.

With a heavy heart, i agree.

[Voodoochild]

^^ Yeah, because Axl never had problems with the record company before and would willing to give the album some half-assed promotion or whatever just to have it released ASAP, huh?

I don't understand all this shit thrown at Mr Bucketfoot. I thought it was a great read, with some cool info about the marketing process. It indeed demands a lot of effort, not only "wanting" as people here seems to think.

I guess the problem is more about the other material rather than Chinese. It may be because Axl either wants guaranty for the follow ups to be released properly (even if Chinese flops - I don't believe it, but its a possibility) or to NOT have it released by Universal (which would be against the initial contract).

Marc Canter said to Rolling Stone Brasil (November issue)  there was contract issues not settled properly by Merck for the album. He said it was one of the reasons for the delay now.

[Bartlet]

Mr Bucketfoot courted flack by having a "smarter than thou", patronising attitude, while stating the bleeding obvious. What many are saying is ENOGH! enough time has passed to render almost any excuse laughable.


Or "ENOUGH" even 

[jarmo]

I enjoyed the "lesson" from Mr Bucketfoot.  That was classic.  But isn't 10 years long enough to do all of those things? 

The recording was finished and mixing took place this year. How do you get ten years?

You think it'd make sense to make promotion, video etc. plans in 1997?

"What iTunes? What Youtube? What Myspace? What do you mean MTV doesn't play videos?"

I completely agree what someone else said - if Axl wanted this CD out, it would be out next week.

Do you understand how ridiculous that is?


This all seems to come down to one thing. Some of you feel like you're owed this album. Get over that. It's not your decision to dictate when others should release their art/work or even how.


Here we have a bunch of "fans" who still think the band they're supposed to be fans of don't want to release music. Amazing.




/jarmo

[Gunner17]

I can't wait to see the reaction on this board when Chinese Democracy comes out...I wonder if people will still remember the years of waiting and "agony" created or will it all be forgotten now that we have it in our hands?

[jarmo]

I can't wait to see the reaction on this board when Chinese Democracy comes out...I wonder if people will still remember the years of waiting and "agony" created or will it all be forgotten now that we have it in our hands?

I bet some people have already written their reviews.





/jarmo

[Voodoochild]

Mr Bucketfoot courted flack by having a "smarter than thou", patronising attitude, while stating the bleeding obvious. What many are saying is ENOGH! enough time has passed to render almost any excuse laughable.


Or "ENOUGH" even 

Didn't seem like it was that obvious cause a lot of people still insists that Axl would release it if he want too, as if it was that easy. It's not an excuse, it's a fact. How come they would have contractual issues before the album got finished if they wouldn't even know if the song would be used, with which musician... And you don't get a contract for a material without a real release in sight (which seems like it's the case now).

Also, I think the guy was just putting his two cents because he works for the industry. What's wrong about that? If he lives with stuff like that all day, of course he knows more than the average person about this particular topic.

[bodine]

I don't understand all this shit thrown at Mr Bucketfoot.

I don't know... Because he came across as an arogant douchbag and called everyone "monkeys"

[Voodoochild]

Not everyone, the ones who thinks its all easy and has no clue about the business surrounding such a big (monetary and personal) investment. But yeah, that was rude, I guess I skipped that... Still, he made a lot of other points. Valid points about an album release.

[spaghetti_incident]

It's the Christmas season.  Everyone needs to just focus on that, spend time with your family/loved ones, and look to 2008 as possibly the year.

[Bartlet]

Not everyone, the ones who thinks its all easy and has no clue about the business surrounding such a big (monetary and personal) investment. But yeah, that was rude, I guess I skipped that... Still, he made a lot of other points. Valid points about an album release.

but no points taht we dont already know. and, he says that knowing the history of the album isnt enough, but actually it is, especially when combined with his rather obvious points about how the industry works.

i would itemise all his condescending lines, but i cant be bothered.

[whiny]

it's not really important to me, whoever's fault it is that cd is not out yet. i'm just sad it has not been released yet. i truely hope that the reason for the (yet again) delay was not geffen/interscope being unsatisfied with the results axl delivered. if that was the reason, we and gnr might start (waiting and reworking the songs) from the beginning. the fact that the release has been pushed back again, also gives axl time to think of some more finishing touches...

[Voodoochild]

Not everyone, the ones who thinks its all easy and has no clue about the business surrounding such a big (monetary and personal) investment. But yeah, that was rude, I guess I skipped that... Still, he made a lot of other points. Valid points about an album release.

but no points taht we dont already know. and, he says that knowing the history of the album isnt enough, but actually it is, especially when combined with his rather obvious points about how the industry works.

i would itemise all his condescending lines, but i cant be bothered.

Again, tell that to the people who thinks Axl didn't want to release the album.

[GNR4L]

various legal issues have arisen, demanding that the best way to deal with these things publicly, quite frankly, was to keep our mouths shut in an attempt to ensure the best outcome-- especially one that wouldn?t jeopardize the band or the album.


THIS IS WHY WE DON'T HEAR ANYTHING !!!!! some people need to read the open letter from Axl again.

[daviebuckethead]

^^ Yeah, because Axl never had problems with the record company before and would willing to give the album some half-assed promotion or whatever just to have it released ASAP, huh?

hysteria, in its day, wa by no means a half-assed album, it was HUGE, and that band overcame all their problems..... a drummer with one arm is a bigger problem than the excuses we've heard round here for the delay.

End of the day i just want to hear new music from my fave band, and i think i will do, i just don't understand/ comprehend how that can take so long even after listening to the reasons suggested.

[Bartlet]

Not everyone, the ones who thinks its all easy and has no clue about the business surrounding such a big (monetary and personal) investment. But yeah, that was rude, I guess I skipped that... Still, he made a lot of other points. Valid points about an album release.

but no points taht we dont already know. and, he says that knowing the history of the album isnt enough, but actually it is, especially when combined with his rather obvious points about how the industry works.

i would itemise all his condescending lines, but i cant be bothered.

Again, tell that to the people who thinks Axl didn't want to release the album.

im not sure we understand eachother. i am one of those people. i think hes trrified of releasing it. if anyone wants to try and argue that he has really been keen to get it out this lat several years, and that he hasnt done anything to jeoardise its release, its all the record labels/lawyers faults, theyre wasting their breath im afraid.

[GNR4L]

Not everyone, the ones who thinks its all easy and has no clue about the business surrounding such a big (monetary and personal) investment. But yeah, that was rude, I guess I skipped that... Still, he made a lot of other points. Valid points about an album release.

but no points taht we dont already know. and, he says that knowing the history of the album isnt enough, but actually it is, especially when combined with his rather obvious points about how the industry works.

i would itemise all his condescending lines, but i cant be bothered.

Again, tell that to the people who thinks Axl didn't want to release the album.

im not sure we understand eachother. i am one of those people. i think hes trrified of releasing it. if anyone wants to try and argue that he has really been keen to get it out this lat several years, and that he hasnt done anything to jeoardise its release, its all the record labels/lawyers faults, theyre wasting their breath im afraid.

Then why during the North American Tour we heard: Better, IRS, Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy ?

[Bartlet]

Not everyone, the ones who thinks its all easy and has no clue about the business surrounding such a big (monetary and personal) investment. But yeah, that was rude, I guess I skipped that... Still, he made a lot of other points. Valid points about an album release.

but no points taht we dont already know. and, he says that knowing the history of the album isnt enough, but actually it is, especially when combined with his rather obvious points about how the industry works.

i would itemise all his condescending lines, but i cant be bothered.

Again, tell that to the people who thinks Axl didn't want to release the album.

im not sure we understand eachother. i am one of those people. i think hes trrified of releasing it. if anyone wants to try and argue that he has really been keen to get it out this lat several years, and that he hasnt done anything to jeoardise its release, its all the record labels/lawyers faults, theyre wasting their breath im afraid.

Then why during the North American Tour we heard: Better, IRS, Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy ?

thats means nothing.