Baz "axl really wanted CD out this year"

[Bartlet]

"Sometimes i feel like im beating a dead horse..."

[ibelieveinaxl]

There were two release dates, but I'm not sure if Axl himself told us those release dates... well, technically one, but I thought he said he hoped it would come out sometime soon (back when...) on VMA awards.

It's funny how much difference a year can make.? Last year at this time it seemed like everyone was interested and excited about the possible release of Chinese Democracy.? Now I'm starting not to care anymore and it seems a lot of other fans feel the same way.? Imagine what people who aren't "die hard" gnr fans think.? It all changed when Axl said (nearly 1 year ago) that it might come out March 6, but even if it didn't we'll let you know what's up.? One year later and nothing.? Not even an official statement from Axl.? Bravo, Bravo... I can take delays but not blatant lies or broken promises.? Either way,? the luster on this project is quickly vanishing for me...

True that... :/ though I still have tiny bit of hope. :] I'm just not letting my guard down. XDD

at the 2006 vma's, he said it will be out before the end of the year (2006)...he was asked if it was coming out before the end of the year, he said , "yes."

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1539535&vid=104872

[SamBob]

There were two release dates, but I'm not sure if Axl himself told us those release dates... well, technically one, but I thought he said he hoped it would come out sometime soon (back when...) on VMA awards.

It's funny how much difference a year can make.  Last year at this time it seemed like everyone was interested and excited about the possible release of Chinese Democracy.  Now I'm starting not to care anymore and it seems a lot of other fans feel the same way.  Imagine what people who aren't "die hard" gnr fans think.  It all changed when Axl said (nearly 1 year ago) that it might come out March 6, but even if it didn't we'll let you know what's up.  One year later and nothing.  Not even an official statement from Axl.  Bravo, Bravo... I can take delays but not blatant lies or broken promises.  Either way,  the luster on this project is quickly vanishing for me...

True that... :/ though I still have tiny bit of hope. :] I'm just not letting my guard down. XDD

at the 2006 vma's, he said it will be out before the end of the year (2006)...he was asked if it was coming out before the end of the year, he said , "yes."

Ahh... I heard the person he was talking to asked him if the album will be out soon, and axl replied saying, "Well, I wouldn't say "soon" is the word..." (Brandon told me that recently...)

If Axl truly said it WAS coming out before the end of the year, that's bogus :/

[jarmo]

at the 2006 vma's, he said it will be out before the end of the year (2006)...he was asked if it was coming out before the end of the year, he said , "yes."

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1539535&vid=104872

When I agreed to do our recent North American tour, I did it with the understanding that my manager, Merck Mercuriadis, and I were in full agreement regarding our strategy and touring plans and, most important, that any and all things needed to release the album by Dec. 26 at the latest were in place. Unfortunately, it turned out that this was not the case, and I regret to say that the album will not be released by the end of the year.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1744




/jarmo

[ibelieveinaxl]

at the 2006 vma's, he said it will be out before the end of the year (2006)...he was asked if it was coming out before the end of the year, he said , "yes."

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1539535&vid=104872

When I agreed to do our recent North American tour, I did it with the understanding that my manager, Merck Mercuriadis, and I were in full agreement regarding our strategy and touring plans and, most important, that any and all things needed to release the album by Dec. 26 at the latest were in place. Unfortunately, it turned out that this was not the case, and I regret to say that the album will not be released by the end of the year.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1744




/jarmo

of course, we all know that. just saying axl, not his manager, said it was coming out before 2006. just play that link on the previous post....who is in charge? axl or his manager? im gonna say axl.

[SamBob]

While that's true... I think people were complaining about Axl never giving us updates on whether the album was still going to come out at the date he said it would come out.. XD

[jarmo]

of course, we all know that. just saying axl, not his manager, said it was coming out before 2006. just play that link on the previous post....who is in charge? axl or his manager? im gonna say axl.

What part didn't you understand? 

Knowing what he knew in August, he thought they could get it out before December 26th. Then later on, he learned it wasn't gonna happen.


Your username is pretty ironic....



/jarmo

[SamBob]

of course, we all know that. just saying axl, not his manager, said it was coming out before 2006. just play that link on the previous post....who is in charge? axl or his manager? im gonna say axl.

What part didn't you understand? 

Knowing what he knew in August, he thought they could get it out before December 26th. Then later on, he learned it wasn't gonna happen.


Your username is pretty ironic....



/jarmo

Speaking of which... Didn't Buckethead quit the band sometime right after the VMA awards?

[ibelieveinaxl]

of course, we all know that. just saying axl, not his manager, said it was coming out before 2006. just play that link on the previous post....who is in charge? axl or his manager? im gonna say axl.

What part didn't you understand??

Knowing what he knew in August, he thought they could get it out before December 26th. Then later on, he learned it wasn't gonna happen.




/jarmo

i think we all understand it . its pretty clear. we heard the statement at the vma's. we read his letter and merck's reply (well, some of us, that wasnt allowed here). its like the boy who cried wolf. how much can we believe if we are always getting statements, then other statements, and ultimately nothing happens...well, that's up to the individual. im just pointing out what was said, period...oh, and one other point. remember how jarmo said they had to cancel those shows in january 2007 because they needed to do some more recording and finish the cd? well, that makes no sense. axl says its coming out by the end of 2006, so the album had to be done. he coudnt just say it would be out by then in september 2006, without it being done. it takes 2-3 months to set up the release...so, this doesnt make much sense...i know the people who had tickets for those shows were very upset. they couldnt wait 1 more week and then do what they had to do with the record? or maybe they didnt have to do anything...

[younggunner]

cmon its never Axls fault!

[ibelieveinaxl]

cmon its never Axls fault!

i never said that it was and i would never say that! are you kidding? if i inferred that, i apologize...

[ibelieveinaxl]

of course, we all know that. just saying axl, not his manager, said it was coming out before 2006. just play that link on the previous post....who is in charge? axl or his manager? im gonna say axl.

What part didn't you understand??

Knowing what he knew in August, he thought they could get it out before December 26th. Then later on, he learned it wasn't gonna happen.


Your username is pretty ironic....



/jarmo

its not ironic at all. you dont know me, bro. you have no clue. you always use that line when i post something that does not jive with your opinion.

/ibelieveinaxl

[DramaGod]

haha,you are funny jarmo ,these people dont get it,i got what your saying,lol.  one thing though,will you drop quotes next year at this time again like last year and the year before etc,,,

[jarmo]

i think we all understand it . its pretty clear.

Is it?

we heard the statement at the vma's. we read his letter and merck's reply (well, some of us, that wasnt allowed here). its like the boy who cried wolf. how much can we believe if we are always getting statements, then other statements, and ultimately nothing happens...well, that's up to the individual. im just pointing out what was said, period...

This must be really tough for you to hear: Axl has people who work for him. He doesn't do everything himself!

It really doesn't matter what he said before learning about certain things does it?

I'm sure he said "be back next summer" in 2002. But that was the plan when he said it.



Did you ever have to change your plans because something came up that was out of your control?



Funny how you reference that other letter considering you were the one telling people GN'R and management were lying about Portland only weeks earlier. I guess anything that goes against Axl is the truth? Ibelieveinaxl indeed.....

oh, and one other point. remember how jarmo said they had to cancel those shows in january 2007 because they needed to do some more recording and finish the cd? well, that makes no sense. axl says its coming out by the end of 2006, so the album had to be done. he coudnt just say it would be out by then in september 2006, without it being done. it takes 2-3 months to set up the release...so, this doesnt make much sense...i know the people who had tickets for those shows were very upset. they couldnt wait 1 more week and then do what they had to do with the record?

Did you pay attention at all?

From Axl's letter:

Because of the scheduling of these particular shows, valuable time needed by the band and record company for the proper setup and release of the album ?Chinese Democracy? would have been lost.

And later on:

It takes approximately eight weeks for an album to hit the shelves once it has been turned in to the record company. For whatever reasons, it appears that it may have been mistakenly inferred by management that this time period could be condensed to three weeks.

So, is it possible, that in August when the VMAs took place, Axl thought he could still finish the album in a couple of days and then get it out before December 26th?

Once he realized it would take eight weeks, it meant it was not possible to finish it and get it out before that date.

or maybe they didnt have to do anything...

Well explain the recording sessions in January then.

its not ironic at all. you dont know me, bro. you have no clue. you always use that line when i post something that does not jive with your opinion.

/ibelieveinaxl

I know enough. The actions speak for themselves.

haha,you are funny jarmo ,these people dont get it,i got what your saying,lol.  one thing though,will you drop quotes next year at this time again like last year and the year before etc,,,

What's funny are the turncoats. Who believe one minute and don't the next.




/jarmo

[novrain91]

Cutting through all the crap,  The problem is he said it would "probably" be out March 6 or shortly after.  If not he said he would communicate with the fans what was going on.  9 months later and we haven't heard jack shit.  How is this not a problem?? It's the first time Axl has said anything about it in a written statement and it hasn't been done.  That's what pissed me off. 

[King Axl]

The real disappointment in all of this is that no representative fron the band or its' management has bothered to keep the fans updated on the official website with any news pertaining to the future plans of the album or the band itself.

I suppose that we could get an update from Axl this month, as we did in December of 2006, but maybe it would be a waste of time to do that if whatever he says is based on "tentative" plans.

I love Axl and all the great music he has created in the past, but I'm about ready to let go of my hopes that this record will ever come to pass.

[jarmo]

Cutting through all the crap,  The problem is he said it would "probably" be out March 6 or shortly after.  If not he said he would communicate with the fans what was going on.  9 months later and we haven't heard jack shit.  How is this not a problem?? It's the first time Axl has said anything about it in a written statement and it hasn't been done.  That's what pissed me off. 

It pisses you off?

Wow.

I'm more like the opposite. Once the album comes out I'll be really excited and glad that it's out.

But in the mean time, it not being out yet doesn't affect me in the other way.....




/jarmo

[Howard2k]

Cutting through all the crap,? The problem is he said it would "probably" be out March 6 or shortly after.? If not he said he would communicate with the fans what was going on.? 9 months later and we haven't heard jack shit.? How is this not a problem?? It's the first time Axl has said anything about it in a written statement and it hasn't been done.? That's what pissed me off.?

It pisses you off?

Wow.

I'm more like the opposite. Once the album comes out I'll be really excited and glad that it's out.

But in the mean time, it not being out yet doesn't affect me in the other way.....




/jarmo

You know how you always tell people that you don't need to hear their opinions....    I think we all know yours too.

[Lord Kayoss]

I always used to say "when Axl himself gives us a release date you can take it to the bank."  After that was proven wrong I find myself mostly out of philosophical anecdotes.

Axl has never given us a firm release date.

Just put your disappointment down to your own lack of understanding of what "tentative" means. 

And down to your own lack of knowledge regarding the issues, apparently.

"It'll definitely be out this year (2006)" is not "tentative", my fairweather friend.  Axl followed up with an explanation why it wasn't coming out in '06 later in the year, with a tentative release date of March 6, 2007 followed by assuring the fans that "If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible."  The date is now 12/5/2007.  Yet another year is about to end with no word on anything (I don't consider the "update" from Del James to be official, unless he's in the band now).

I am beyond "disappointment."  I think all of us die-hards are.  I'll continue to be a fan and support the band if I ever get the chance i.e. a new album to buy or a concert relatively close to my hometown I can travel to.  But until then, there are more pressing issues in my life.

[Howard2k]

I always used to say "when Axl himself gives us a release date you can take it to the bank."? After that was proven wrong I find myself mostly out of philosophical anecdotes.

Axl has never given us a firm release date.

Just put your disappointment down to your own lack of understanding of what "tentative" means.?

And down to your own lack of knowledge regarding the issues, apparently.

"It'll definitely be out this year (2006)" is not "tentative", my fairweather friend.? Axl followed up with an explanation why it wasn't coming out in '06 later in the year, with a tentative release date of March 6, 2007 followed by assuring the fans that "If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible."? The date is now 12/5/2007.? Yet another year is about to end with no word on anything (I don't consider the "update" from Del James to be official, unless he's in the band now).

I am beyond "disappointment."? I think all of us die-hards are.? I'll continue to be a fan and support the band if I ever get the chance i.e. a new album to buy or a concert relatively close to my hometown I can travel to.? But until then, there are more pressing issues in my life.

True, Interpretation.   I consider a "release date" a firm date from the band saying "Chi Dem will be out Oct 28th" or similar.  Not "It'll be out this year", "it'll be out in the fall" or "tentatively March 6th". 

But don't get me wrong, I want Chi Dem too.  And I want it now.