Baz "axl really wanted CD out this year"

[Vitor_Icewall]

bach rox!

I think if chinese democracy comes out before the Cristismas, is gone sell a lot. Its because a lot people buy a cd to somebody... I guess..

cya!

[Wicked Demon]

So have all of these "why doesn't he just release it or tell us something" posts on this board throughout this year been misplaced?

It seems to me that there should be just as many or more posts on the Interscope(?) message board asking "what's  the holdup?"

...do they even have a message board...? heh.

[Axl4Prez2004]

I think we will get the album Nov 2008, Axl will play the SUperbowl in 2009

...from what I saw today in the news, Tom Petty will be doing this year's Super Bowl.  Can we start speculating on a "special guest?"       

The Olympics are in Beijing this summer...NBC will cover them...Universal and NBC are under the same umbrella...could a package presentation be in the works???  'twould be cool.   

btw, I have no reason to doubt Bach's statements.  I think Axl really wanted the album out this year.  I will be a very happy man when I finally get to hear the whole story......the "what the hell has happened all these years???" story.

[russtcb]

So have all of these "why doesn't he just release it or tell us something" posts on this board throughout this year been misplaced?

It seems to me that there should be just as many or more posts on the Interscope(?) message board asking "what's  the holdup?"

...do they even have a message board...? heh.

Lol. I agree to some extent. All I could think when I saw the headline "Axl really wanted it out this year" was: "YEP. So did I!" lol.

[CheapJon]

I will be a very happy man when I finally get to hear the whole story......the "what the hell has happened all these years???" story.

me too,but if i don't get any explanation, i'm cool with that too, because by then i have the record in my stereo and all is forgiven

[Alpachiris]

I hate when Pepole spell his name Axel haha

Peace

me too!!

[acdcUSSR]

But he wanted it out in 2006 too! March 6th? Didn't happen... "if there are any delays, you will be notified."

[jarmo]

But he wanted it out in 2006 too! March 6th? Didn't happen... "if there are any delays, you will be notified."

Have you read any of the posts in this thread?

Please be honest.


/jarmo

[Axl4Prez2004]

But he wanted it out in 2006 too! March 6th? Didn't happen... "if there are any delays, you will be notified."

Here's the direct quote:  "If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date."  Now, if they don't have a new date, how the hell are they going to notify you in regard to a new date? 

The statement didn't read, "If we are delayed for unseen reasons, we'll immediately tell you what they are."  So, a tentative date turned out to not be the actual date. 

CheapJules, btw, I'm not looking to forgive anybody for anything.  The albums will eventually be released.  I hold no grudge like some idiotic people out there who feel they are "owed something."  I just want to satisfy my curiosity.  I'd pay anything to hear the behind the scenes story of this band.   

[guns_n_motley]

But he wanted it out in 2006 too! March 6th? Didn't happen... "if there are any delays, you will be notified."

Here's the direct quote:? "If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date."? Now, if they don't have a new date, how the hell are they going to notify you in regard to a new date??

The statement didn't read, "If we are delayed for unseen reasons, we'll immediately tell you what they are."? So, a tentative date turned out to not be the actual date.?

CheapJules, btw, I'm not looking to forgive anybody for anything.? The albums will eventually be released.? I hold no grudge like some idiotic people out there who feel they are "owed something."? I just want to satisfy my curiosity.? I'd pay anything to hear the behind the scenes story of this band.? ?

stuff like this is the reason the band doesnt communicate to the fans....they dont talk..we bitch....they talk...we bitch and tear apart Every little statement and every little word...

[erose]

I think we will get the album Nov 2008, Axl will play the SUperbowl in 2009

You said it first D! 

[ben9785]

As I stated elsewhere, as frustrating as it is having to wait with no definite answers;

the very first obvious obstacle is that there are the business / legal issue relating to all the people who contributed to the album. i have no doubt that every contributor will need to be considered, regardless of how small or major their role is, whether they wrote one riff, one chorus, played one lead guitar track, added bass on one song, played some drums, produced, edited etc etc etc

the record company is going to be the biggest problem. it's Axl's music, but its the record company who are going to get the album out there in the stores on the shelves and heard. Axl isn't releasing the album independently. obviously this isn't just a "normal" album release; its one of the most anticipated 'comeback' releases, ever?.. this album needs some serious planning in promotion and marketing based on the myth/hype that has been surrounding it since 94/95. business wise, it can either bring in big bucks, or it can be a laughingstock, and considering the developments in GNR, particularly with 'founding band members' absent, the album is not only going to be presenting a new chapter of GNR music, but its going to be officially presenting the new band to the world. people might have seen the band live in concert over the past few years but im sure it was more about seeing Axl on stage again or hearing the classic GNR songs. so i don't think its going to be as easy as the album coming out and.. "frank fer..rer..who?"

and record company aside, don't forget, they are dealing with Axl Rose.. I highly doubt Axl is concerned about kissing up to record company executives

[Lucky]

I dont think I recall when it was said that record company is the obstacle?

[acdcUSSR]

But he wanted it out in 2006 too! March 6th? Didn't happen... "if there are any delays, you will be notified."

Have you read any of the posts in this thread?

Please be honest.


/jarmo

Nope. I don't see how that has bearing. I was simply saying that this is just another ploy for Axl to keep the hype going for a seemingly nonexistent album. Leaks heard yes, but this is what he's said for years. Could it be the record company delaying it? Of course. But the more and more this happens, I just think more and more that Axl just wants to keep the hype going. After you release something, the popularity spikes then falls rapidly unless something of equal stature is released. He's probably afraid that the public will not respond how he wants them too and keeps revising it over and over.

I apologize for the misquote. It was paraphrased from my memory.

[jarmo]

But he wanted it out in 2006 too! March 6th? Didn't happen... "if there are any delays, you will be notified."

Have you read any of the posts in this thread?

Please be honest.


/jarmo

Nope. I don't see how that has bearing.

Because that has been addressed already. So you're just repeating the same thing that others have already pointed out.

If you had read the posts, you might know why your argument is weak.



/jarmo

[Axl4Prez2004]

But he wanted it out in 2006 too! March 6th? Didn't happen... "if there are any delays, you will be notified."

Here's the direct quote:  "If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date."  Now, if they don't have a new date, how the hell are they going to notify you in regard to a new date? 

The statement didn't read, "If we are delayed for unseen reasons, we'll immediately tell you what they are."  So, a tentative date turned out to not be the actual date. 

CheapJules, btw, I'm not looking to forgive anybody for anything.  The albums will eventually be released.  I hold no grudge like some idiotic people out there who feel they are "owed something."  I just want to satisfy my curiosity.  I'd pay anything to hear the behind the scenes story of this band.   

stuff like this is the reason the band doesnt communicate to the fans....they dont talk..we bitch....they talk...we bitch and tear apart Every little statement and every little word...

Perhaps it's the semantics...but I was trying to explain why the band didn't have to say anything.  There was no new release date.  What I drew from the message was that we (the fans) would be notified when there's a new release date.   There was and is no new release date. 

AcdcUSSR, your theory is basically Axl is a man crippled by fear.  Fear that the public won't respond the way he wants them to?  I disagree.

What part of Axl Rose's past or present makes you think he cares how the general public looks at him?  Was it the inclusion of a piano that inspired Matt Sorum's famous line, "What's with the piano?"  Was it the braided hair that oh, at least 90% of GNR fans alone didn't take to?  Was it the fact he has refused to accept the automatic big, big, big money pay-off of another played-out "do it for the pay-day" crappy reunion tour that every other old band seems to be doing?  I could keep listing them off, but I'll stop now.  Fear...no. 

ben114 makes some great points as well.   

 

[GNR4L]

Imagine this the last few years the music world has lost its fans with garbage music that's today's music just check out Itunes top 10 songs.  Record industry is dying record stores are closing there's no good music..................................................... Then one morning you flip on MTV your in the kitchen making breakfast the Tv's going in the background then all of a sudden you hear the intro of Better you run to the TV its the video there back !!! you turn on the radio everyone is talking about it nobody can believe the music industry is saved all thanks to one band the only band big enough to change the face of music twice.  This is what I invison one day and that band will be none other than GUNS N ROSES !!!!

if you look through out the history of music its always changing 60's the british invasion, 70's Rock Punk, 80's new wave glam rock metal ,90's alternative gangsta rap,2000 pop hip hop, 2008-on the return of Rock !!!! Baz said its a epic record I believe what he says.

[gilee7]

Imagine this the last few years the music world has lost its fans with garbage music that's today's music just check out Itunes top 10 songs.? Record industry is dying record stores are closing there's no good music..................................................... Then one morning you flip on MTV your in the kitchen making breakfast the Tv's going in the background then all of a sudden you hear the intro of Better you run to the TV its the video there back !!! you turn on the radio everyone is talking about it nobody can believe the music industry is saved all thanks to one band the only band big enough to change the face of music twice.? This is what I invison one day and that band will be none other than GUNS N ROSES !!!!

if you look through out the history of music its always changing 60's the british invasion, 70's Rock Punk, 80's new wave glam rock metal ,90's alternative gangsta rap,2000 pop hip hop, 2008-on the return of Rock !!!! Baz said its a epic record I believe what he says.

Only problem with that is, MTV never plays music videos anymore.

[SamBob]

Imagine this the last few years the music world has lost its fans with garbage music that's today's music just check out Itunes top 10 songs.  Record industry is dying record stores are closing there's no good music..................................................... Then one morning you flip on MTV your in the kitchen making breakfast the Tv's going in the background then all of a sudden you hear the intro of Better you run to the TV its the video there back !!! you turn on the radio everyone is talking about it nobody can believe the music industry is saved all thanks to one band the only band big enough to change the face of music twice.  This is what I invison one day and that band will be none other than GUNS N ROSES !!!!

if you look through out the history of music its always changing 60's the british invasion, 70's Rock Punk, 80's new wave glam rock metal ,90's alternative gangsta rap,2000 pop hip hop, 2008-on the return of Rock !!!! Baz said its a epic record I believe what he says.

Only problem with that is, MTV never plays music videos anymore.

And when they do, it's usually in the middle of the night, and it's allt he new pop/hip hop crap. :/

[gilee7]

Considering all the different people who have had a hand in the making of Chinese Democracy, from musicians to producers and whatnot, I would imagine that they all want a share of the future profits. To me, that's what makes the most sense as to what's holding up the album. We should all just blame the delayed release on Buckethead.

And if it's because of legal issues that the cd isn't in our hands yet, like many people think, maybe Axl Rose isn't allowed to talk about those issues. At least, not until it's all been settled. One day we'll know why the release of the album took so long. Until then, we just have to keep listening to "Patience."