Baz "axl really wanted CD out this year"

[McGann]

Mysteron:

not to be hasty or be an asshole but how would you know? what is your affiliation with the band these day? are you still in the loop?

his affiliation with the band is the same as a year ago.. do you still think merck is mysteron

well i thought he was and if not my bad, but still, what is his affiliation with the band?

OK...last time, kids...
Myst has "famous relations".
I can't recall which,

But there's an actor
And also a musician
Closely related.

Obviously, Myst
Has never said who they are,
Which is the right thing.

Since he's related
To a few famous people,
His "circle of friends"

Has a bit of clout
And he may well have some, too.
That is Myst's story.

Splash

/Mike

[flicknn]

tO ADD TO mYST , HIS PARTICULAR POSTS EQUAL 55 PAGES DAYING BACK TO 2001-2003

[ppbebe]

and again Axl never said he'd tell us what happened. or promised he'd keep us informed.

what he said was about the release date we will be noticed as soon as it's concrete. He didn't even say how and by whom.

[gnrjanus]

He did say when anything comes betweed the date, he will give us information and keep us informed.

[ppbebe]

Nope read the letter again.

[younggunner]

and again Axl never said he'd tell us what happened. or promised he'd keep us informed.

If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. We thank you for your patience.

He says right there that if the deadline couldnt be reached they would inform us. DId he say "I promise to inform you"..no but he clearly states that he was going to let us know if the plans change.

Its old news now so who cares. The situation is what it is. Its a big cycle. At times we get good solid info, and at other times, more times than not, we dont get any info. So whatever.

Im sure Axl wanted the album out by the end of the year. He also wanted it out before the end of last year. Im sure Axl has always wanted this album out. But the fact is that its not out.

Clearly there seems to be some kind of business/legal holdup. I do not think that the album is still being worked on. It just boggles my mind though that Axl, the company, and or his legal team havnt hammered out all the details over the past 7 yrs in regards to the release of this album. You would think that they would be able to overcome any legal obstacles over this long wait. I understand that there may be some complicated legal issues but at the very least they have had a whole yr to figure it out and still havnt. Not to mention the previous yrs.

I just think it comes down to how to release the album. I dont think Axl wants to just release it like a regular album. I think hes trying to figure out a new way to promote and release the album. Thats just the feeling I get.

As others have said...who cares anymore. WHen its out its out. No begging, whining, or complains will make this album come out.

As someone else said, when the album is actually physically on the shelves then I will get fired up again. The days of getting excited when hearing or speculating about gnr rumors are long gone. And thats the only thing that has sucked for me during this whole process. I have made a few posts about that that were quickly deleted so theres no need to get into that again. Point is when its out it will be fun again...till then it doesnt spark much emotion like it used to....

[Thorazine Shuffle]

I'm fairly certain that all of the musicians that worked on CD were under contract.  Don't think that just because a musician worked on the album that they are entitiled to royalties.

They could of all signed without a promise of royalties, and received pay for their services.

Studio musicians for the most part don't receive royalties.  I believe the holdup is with the label.

[flicknn]

Insiders have already stated that the album/s is in the hands of the record company , the ball is in the record companies hands.


Why do we have to keep urging Axl or shifting blame to him.


Mysteron stated the record company tiblit, so let's bitch at the record company for this

[ppbebe]

and again Axl never said he'd tell us what happened. or promised he'd keep us informed.

If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. We thank you for your patience.

He says right there that if the deadline couldnt be reached they would inform us. DId he say "I promise to inform you"..no but he clearly states that he was going to let us know if the plans change.

can't you see there he clearly says in regard to a new date.  not in regard to anything else.
Untill the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible, we won't be noticed.

we've been sort of noticed about other things by baz, mysteron bumble but that's bonus.

[masterrecorder]

No, mysteron has just said, that the record company is the reason for the delay!

[jarmo]

and again Axl never said he'd tell us what happened. or promised he'd keep us informed.

If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. We thank you for your patience.

He says right there that if the deadline couldnt be reached they would inform us. DId he say "I promise to inform you"..no but he clearly states that he was going to let us know if the plans change.

I assumed it meant if the date passed and the album was delayed, we'd get to know a new date as soon as possible. But there's no new date to inform us about.....

Im sure Axl wanted the album out by the end of the year. He also wanted it out before the end of last year. Im sure Axl has always wanted this album out. But the fact is that its not out.

Correct.

It was explained in the letter:

When I agreed to do our recent North American tour, I did it with the understanding that my manager, Merck Mercuriadis, and I were in full agreement regarding our strategy and touring plans and, most important, that any and all things needed to release the album by Dec. 26 at the latest were in place. Unfortunately, it turned out that this was not the case, and I regret to say that the album will not be released by the end of the year.

It just boggles my mind though that Axl, the company, and or his legal team havnt hammered out all the details over the past 7 yrs in regards to the release of this album.

Did you ever think that it might be the record company who is the brake?


I've read all kinds of news articles about how record companies want to make money. I believe the band Korn made a deal with their record company a few years back which means they'll make money off the touring and merchandise as well. Not just record sales....




/jarmo

[flicknn]

Excuse for me for my ignorance but is geffen or UMi the primary here ?

[overmatik]

The most amazing thing is, that if the album is already in the company's hand, it has not yet been leaked, the guys must've  locked in the Universal vault...

Now serious, I think that the "big guys" from the Record company are not happy with the album, and may be discussing about it, I don't know, just wondering about. I think they're afraid for the ammount of money that has been spent in the album, is like the Cd has turned into a monster now, every step need to be very careful, or can trow all the efforts in the garbage can...

[flicknn]

i think regardless of money or time lost ...Cd is one of these epic once in the lifetime things that just has the chance to add life to everything and anything once it comes out ....



It's the principle of it , and all

[jarmo]

The most amazing thing is, that if the album is already in the company's hand,

I don't know where this rumor started.....

Just because the record company is the obstacle, it doesn't mean they have it. Does it?





/jarmo

[Howard2k]

The most amazing thing is, that if the album is already in the company's hand,

I don't know where this rumor started.....

Just because the record company is the obstacle, it doesn't mean they have it. Does it?





/jarmo

This is where it started.   A question of interpretation:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=49983.msg1012376#msg1012376

[masterrecorder]

Just because the record company is the obstacle, it doesn't mean they have it. Does it?




/jarmo

Why do you think, that the record company is the obstacle?

[jarmo]

The most amazing thing is, that if the album is already in the company's hand,

I don't know where this rumor started.....

Just because the record company is the obstacle, it doesn't mean they have it. Does it?





/jarmo

This is where it started.   A question of interpretation:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=49983.msg1012376#msg1012376

Yeah. I saw that.

I interpret it as the album is finished but not out yet due to the record company.

Why do you think, that the record company is the obstacle?

Based on what Sebastian Bach has said and also the above mentioned post by Mysteron.






/jarmo

[younggunner]

Baz himself has said that one of the reason why its not out yet is because Axl is trying to figure out a way on how to release it. So I dont think the record company is completely at fault

[D]

I think we will get the album Nov 2008, Axl will play the SUperbowl in 2009