Baz "axl really wanted CD out this year"

[gnrjanus]

He had an tentative date, so HE HAD to finish the album to make that date. but somehow something went wrong and delayed the album, and we know it's in hands of the company,I bet they are just taking things on about legal stuf, promotion, and that kind of stuff, and sometimes I believe they have no tour dates, so they can first make some promotion tour or something like that. it would make sence for this album, it needs heavily promotion to get money back

[jarmo]

Why not play the shows as scheduled and finish the album some other time? The cancellations didn't make the album come out any faster. He could have just worked on the album right now in December 2007 since nothing else is planned or scheduled (as Mysteron pointed out).

Do you understand that when Axl said March 6th was a tentative release date, it meant that they had to finish it ASAP to get it out in March?


I mean, are you serious?





/jarmo

[gnrjanus]

if you wanna know why Axl and Co, doesn't talk.
look at this.

when they say anything, just like the march 6 thing, and when they pass that date and nothin'comes up, they're gonna get flamed for it.
Like now, people wll say like, Why did he cancell thoses dates if he didn't finsh up the album.

everything they say now can hurt the band. but if things are in motion as said, and things work out really well, they should talk,
They have a reason not to inform us. perhaps because of us, the people at the boards, they know how we react, And it's a shame really how some of us react to letters, or information that comes up.

also, I really like sebastian bach, I buyed his album last week and it rocks.

But every interview you hear this,  I'm on sorry, it rocks, CD rocks, he has 4 albums, it's a bit of promotion, if they can't talk, let him do somethign(I think, I don't know why he does that all the time,  he must have had some Go clearence by Axl to say he has 4 albums and the general is on that one.)

what I'm saying, If someon talks,  Axl, Dell, Ron, Rich, or someone else, they will get flamed, even if things do come out like planned, or not.
They need to be at 100% sure before they're gonna say anything to us because they do not want to offend us again, or let us down.

[TWAT RULES]

i can understand missing a tenative release date by a few months or something, but we're talking a full year. ?there is no chance in hell the cd will be out by march 6, 2008....so we are talking over a full year of missing the tenative release date.....that is completely unacceptable and unfair to fans......this cd should have been on the shelves by summer at the latest, there is no excuse

[cybercurves]

They could've done the early January concerts and booked the studio the very next week to finish the "minor additions" and the tentative release date for CD would have been March 13th or March 20th.  But.... you can't just waltz into a good recording studio these days without some advance warning.  It's more than likely that the studio was NOT available the "very next week" after the early January concerts which is why the concerts had to be cancelled. 

If you read Baz's recent interviews or saw the video clips on line, I believe the (or some of the) "minor additions" were in fact adding his vocals to the song "Sorry".  Baz had mentioned that Axl wanted him to be there "January 1st" and Axl was very adamant about Baz being there on time.  "you don't mess with the artistic process of Axl" Baz stated. 

So obviously Axl had the tentative date in mind and quite honestly he was trying to accomplish that.

[Chief]

Thank you. great post.. makes a lot of sense!

They could've done the early January concerts and booked the studio the very next week to finish the "minor additions" and the tentative release date for CD would have been March 13th or March 20th.  But.... you can't just waltz into a good recording studio these days without some advance warning.  It's more than likely that the studio was NOT available the "very next week" after the early January concerts which is why the concerts had to be cancelled. 

If you read Baz's recent interviews or saw the video clips on line, I believe the (or some of the) "minor additions" were in fact adding his vocals to the song "Sorry".  Baz had mentioned that Axl wanted him to be there "January 1st" and Axl was very adamant about Baz being there on time.  "you don't mess with the artistic process of Axl" Baz stated. 

So obviously Axl had the tentative date in mind and quite honestly he was trying to accomplish that.

[Pinball Wizard]

They NEED to further explain the business thing that has gotten in the way the last 15 years.  I would love to know exactly what that is.

Based on EVERY OTHER BAND that REALLY wants to put an album out, it is really not that difficult. If you want proof, walk into your local record store. The business goes something like this. write music and lyrics, record, submit to record co. or if you have the cash, do it yourself, market it and release it. WOW! so hard to do.

You would think it's that easy, but it's not.

Please explain, because I don't know.

I don't know exactly how it works in the USA because these rules and steps aren't the same on every country, but, let me try...

Yes, what you said is basically the bottom line. To release an album you have to write songs and lyrics, record them, submit to a record co and it's basically it.

But there's a lot of legal things that have to be done when the band is as big as Guns N' Roses.

When an album is edited, every song has it's register code, it's like It's ID. When this song is played on the radio, TV shows or something like that, it generates money. This money is collected by a performance rights organization, like ASCAP, that sends the money to the company that edited the album and for the musicians that are registered on that organization too.

The songs of the album will generate money. Every single one involved with the songs have their % of the profits those songs are gonna make. The musicians have to be registered on any performance rights organization, like ASCAP for example...but what if not every member of the band is registered on the same performance rights organization?

For example: Let's say that Robin Finck is registered on ASCAP, but all the other guys are registered on SESAC. I don't know, but maybe this can be a problem.

And I'm just pointing one legal problem regarding all the business involved on release a big record. I'm pretty sure that this is just the tip of the iceberg...

Sorry, but your post makes not sense. It not that hard for Robin or anyone of the guys to go online and sign up to one of those organizations. Plus, its not like something as trivial as that would prevent a release.

I don't know how it works on the USA, but I don't think that join to ASCAP(for example) it's as easy as to go to a website and sing up on it...

And if you didn't read my whole post, I wrote this:

I don't know, but maybe this can be a problem.

And I'm just pointing one legal problem regarding all the business involved on release a big record. I'm pretty sure that this is just the tip of the iceberg...

Oh, and believe me, problems regarding musicians and performance rights organizations aren't that trivial...

[Lucky]

In a perfect world, yes.

Unfortunately this world is far from perfect.

Anything you say can, and most likely will be, used against you.

Need an example? The last tentative release date.


People didn't even understand the simple facts that the tentative release date was what the band was aiming for when Axl wrote the letter. In order to get the album out, he had to finish it. Hence the canceled shows in January. Now I see certain people saying the cancellations weren't needed....

the problem is...that people interpret the silence as "the album is far from being released"
which causes fear... and... ?Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.?


I sincerely hope the album is released by summer of 2008... and even more...
that we at least get some sort of official update/whatever by the end of this year.

it would really mean a lot to all of us. -just a little encouragement... a spot of light... something to get us through...

[GNR4L]

What you guys want is continued updates and new dates well what if they kept giving us updates saying ok March 6 didn't work so our new date is June 6 then that doesn't happen so they say ok aug 6.  People here would be pretty pissed off look they gave us three dates and nothing happend.  We haven't had any updates what a bunch of a holes blah blah look the reason there's no touring and no news is because their working on getting the album out end of story.  In the end Axl is a  ahole cause he hasn't given what you want which is updates so instead of getting 3 or 4 when the album is ready to come out there will be a BIG ONE.

[DeN]

if the record company moves his big ass.

[GNR4L]

Also another thing I remember reading in a mexico news article was Axl stating that he had a big suprise for GnR fans this year.  That right there tells ya that he wanted the album out like Baz stated but due to the business side it isn't.

[Lucky]

Also another thing I remember reading in a mexico news article was Axl stating that he had a big suprise for GnR fans this year.  That right there tells ya that he wanted the album out like Baz stated but due to the business side it isn't.

how do you know that was the surprise in question... or weather the Mexico(wtf?!) newspapers are even telling the truth.

[guns_n_motley]

imo, its done but theres ALOT of business ends to tie up it seems...and business negotiations can move VERY slow...axl even alluded to this in the letter..

[cineater]

Can we just stop? ?Obviously the band has had a major blow. ?

Can we just pick them back up? ?Be fans instead of in their business? ? Just give it a rest, tell them all the shows have been great, we're glad for what we got and we're not going to stop hoping to see them again?

Can we just offer up our support without a but or I think they should do? ?Just right now when they need their fans behind them?

[jarmo]

Can we just offer up our support without a but or I think they should do?  Just right now when they need their fans behind them?

That right there pretty much describes what my attitude for this site is.

It's like we're all fans, not music critics writing for some rag.

Sometimes certain people certainly act that way. The whole idea of having to be "objective". Who says fans are supposed to be objective in the first place?

It's ok not to be objective here. Nobody's gonna point and laugh at you if you had an awesome time at the show or if you bought tracks, that your friends think are stupid, on iTunes just to hear Axl sing.



Seems like certain so called fans are quick to point fingers and believe things written by clueless outsiders or people with agendas as "the truth".



Even without the album out, 2007 has been better than most other years.

2006 and 2007 have been awesome. I think we're still just at the beginning.....





/jarmo

[Robman?]

The only thing I don't get about the March 6th date is that obviously when he wrote it Axl thought he could almost surely get the album out then. Yet 9 months on, we haven't heard anything. Either Axl just hasn't made any progress in this time, or the release is beyond his control.

[D]

I think people take things the wrong way from fans.

Take me for instance.

I support Axl 1 million percent, and I have actually been one of the rare few who doesn't mind the wait.

Honestly though, I can totally understand people getting frustrated. Hell I have even found myself getting frustrated. ?I guess what got me was the tour and then the Tentative release date and how Axl promised to keep us informed if that wasn't met.

9 months later, I am still waiting for Axl to release another statement to tell us what happened like he said he would.

It just gets frustrating when we are teased a release date and nothing comes of it.

[williambailey]

Personally I'm just over the whole thing.

If it comes out well and good, if it doesn't well whatever.? This debating over what was said and tentative dates and theorising and hypothesising IMHO is pointless.? Personally I couldn't give a shit about the whole thing anymore.? When the CD is in the store (if it ever is) then I will get fired up again - until then I'm pretty indifferent about the whole saga.? Yeah if I was in Axl's shoes perhaps I would have done things differently - but I'm not, and clearly I'm also not in possession of all the facts either so I can't appreciate the full logistics of his predicament.

I enjoyed 3 live GN'R concerts this year and that was awesome and I'm grateful for that.?

Any news about anything else I try and take with a grain of salt - until there is something tangible in front of me (like the concerts, new music or a CD release) I try as hard as possible not to take any notice of it anymore.?

Sadly the whole thing has gone on for so long that any news/statements/comments/interviews that come out (regardless of who it is from) I give very little credability to any more.? For me, I will just sit tight and deal with tangibles like the concerts or a physical album in a store, anything short of that is pure speculation (which, whilst fun to engage in from time to time - is not always productive and positive and usually leads to disappointment).

[SamBob]

Personally I'm just over the whole thing.

If it comes out well and good, if it doesn't well whatever. 

Yeah, I've heard that it was coming out soon too many times in the news or whatever else.

At this point, I don't really care if it comes out or not... Okay, I can't really say I don't completely care. I would be pretty excited if it WERE to come out, but at this point, I won't care until I see the album actually come out.

[Janabis]

Why not play the shows as scheduled and finish the album some other time? The cancellations didn't make the album come out any faster. He could have just worked on the album right now in December 2007 since nothing else is planned or scheduled (as Mysteron pointed out).

Do you understand that when Axl said March 6th was a tentative release date, it meant that they had to finish it ASAP to get it out in March?


I mean, are you serious?





/jarmo

So between Christmas and March 6, legal issues that Axl expected to take about a month to resolve turned out to take all year (or much more)? Is he really that confused? Seriously?