Mall Shooting in Omaha Nebraska 9 Dead

[mrlee]

only in america.

we get shootings in the UK but ive not known anyone do it because they are depressed and wanna "go out in style" LOL.

must be american media.

Is that really the view? That there's a difference between "rest of the civilized world" shootings, and "American" shootings? That's sick.

I always though going out in style would be --I don't know-- finding another terminally ill [hot] chick, jump out of an airplane with no parachute while having sex, and then have it released as a porn.

well this shit started in american, and is most pro dominant in america.

shootings like this have only just started to be copied in some areas in europe, but thats usually school shootings.

guns in american culture are alot less shocking then they are in english culture, and perhaps the rest of the world (i dont know though as they arnt so predominantly in the media)

[stone_temple_roses]

This situation really scares me because I work at the mall in my hometown, and it's one of those "Isolated incidents" -as in it could happen anywhere. So my heart goes out to the families of those innocent people who died.



~STR

[SLCPUNK]

This situation really scares me because I work at the mall in my hometown, and it's one of those "Isolated incidents" -as in it could happen anywhere. So my heart goes out to the families of those innocent people who died.



~STR

It can happen anywhere man.

Last time I was out in SLC Utah, it happened at the local mall (small mall named Trolley Square.) Some loser came in and started shooting.

[SamBob]

only in america.

we get shootings in the UK but ive not known anyone do it because they are depressed and wanna "go out in style" LOL.

must be american media.

Is that really the view? That there's a difference between "rest of the civilized world" shootings, and "American" shootings? That's sick.

I always though going out in style would be --I don't know-- finding another terminally ill [hot] chick, jump out of an airplane with no parachute while having sex, and then have it released as a porn.

well this shit started in american, and is most pro dominant in america.

shootings like this have only just started to be copied in some areas in europe, but thats usually school shootings.

guns in american culture are alot less shocking then they are in english culture, and perhaps the rest of the world (i dont know though as they arnt so predominantly in the media)

I don't believe that. Shootings are everywhere, whether it be in the UK, asia, OR america...

I don't think it started in one place...

[SLCPUNK]

I don't think it started in one place...

The epidemic of crazy fuckers entering schools, or other public arenas and murdering innocent students, or everyday people, really has it's roots in America. There is no denying that.

[Genesis]

I don't believe that. Shootings are everywhere, whether it be in the UK, asia, OR america...
I don't think it started in one place...

Um, no sorry. We don't have to worry about some crazy fucker opening fire while we're shopping or whether somebody will shoot our kids in school. It just doesn't happen. So you CAN say that it's only in the US.

[GNRreunioneventually]

something thats starting to piss a lot of people off in the area is that the news is reporting this all the time and non-stop. Everytime something new comes in they report it and are making the asshole that what shot up the places' dreams come true. One of his notes said he wanted to go out in style and be remembered. Well he is, and thats what they are doing.

kinda eerie and fucked up ..........

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

They should have metal detectors and armed guards at the entrances.  Sad but true fact of life nowadays. 

[Jim Bob]

For every person shot that opposed the 2nd amendment my thoughts are with them and their families

For every person shot who was pro the second amendment - you reap what you sow

what a bunch of bullshit.   Like guns are the only way to kill people.     If it wasn't a gun, it would have been something else.  and even if it wasn't our constitutional right to bear arms, you really think that would stop someone from getting a gun?

[Genesis]

what a bunch of bullshit.   Like guns are the only way to kill people.     If it wasn't a gun, it would have been something else.

No, it couldn't have been something else. There's no way a guy can run around stabbing 8 or 9 people. Somebody would have taken him down before that. Most of these kids are not terrorists or anything, so they wouldn't have access to bombs or have the knowledge to make bombs. So what else is left? Kungfu people to death? I don't think so...

You got to understand, most of these guys are wimps. It's easy to shoot somebody from a distance, but it takes whole different level of gumption to get up close to someone and stab them.

and even if it wasn't our constitutional right to bear arms, you really think that would stop someone from getting a gun?

It's because it's your "constitutional right" that guns are so easy to get. In a country where guns are allowed only for law enforcement, there's no way kids can get guns. It's not like you can go to a store and buy one. Which you can in the US.

[fuckin crazy]

Establishing An Authoritarian State


Step 1) Apply this logic:

In a country where guns are allowed only for law enforcement,  there's no way kids can get guns. It's not like you can go to a store and buy one.

I agree that the laws are fucked up, but the elimination of firearms is not the answer. If it had not been for private ownership of firearms, this country would have never gained it's independence. All the faults included, I'm not willing to give up any of my freedoms ... especially in this day and age.

The kid that did this, broke into a house and stole the weapon that he used to commit the crime.

[norway]

Well, a firearm or a chainsaw.

 Of course it's a more complex issue then easy, fast and effective methods getting a gun.
But less accessibillity would without a doubt reduce the amount of shootings like this and raise the secuity in public.

It doesn't fix the problem or change the sickening American culture, but it helps. Warm thougths to the victims.

[Genesis]

If it had not been for private ownership of firearms, this country would have never gained it's independence.

Um, yes a long time ago. How is that relevant now?

The kid that did this, broke into a house and stole the weapon that he used to commit the crime.

You missed my point. If there aren't any guns anywhere, there wouldn't be one available to steal.

All the faults included, I'm not willing to give up any of my freedoms ... especially in this day and age.

Maybe that's the problem. Everybody wants the shootings to stop, but can't give up their guns.

I know banning guns right away is not the solution for a country that loves it's firearms, but maybe a stepwise plan should be implemented to achieve it. Stricter laws in procuring firearms won't help in cases where, say, a kid steals his dad's gun and goes off to school.

Oh well, your laws, your lives...

[babydolls]

I don't believe that. Shootings are everywhere, whether it be in the UK, asia, OR america...
I don't think it started in one place...

Um, no sorry. We don't have to worry about some crazy fucker opening fire while we're shopping or whether somebody will shoot our kids in school. It just doesn't happen. So you CAN say that it's only in the US.

Of course it happens in places other than US, - my mind immediately goes to Dunblane, Scotland where a guy walked into a primary school and shot dead 16 children and a teacher in 1996.? The kids were 5/6 year olds.? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre? ?Following that, a month later a guy gunned down 35 random people in Tasmania, apparently the Dunblane massacre "triggered" him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant

You cant confine that kind of craziness to one country.? Sadly these monsters exist everywhere and tragically, there are more examples worldwide.? Taking out innocent people because of a desire to be famous or "known", when there is also the ultimate intention of suicide is so fkn selfish and wrong and dark.

There are gun problems in the UK for example as well and our laws dont seem to deter kids from buying guns and using them, regardless of the fact that guns are illegal here.? Seems to be a trend this year particularly for teenage boys shooting each other due to lack of respect (in London, Manchester, Liverpool to name a few).? Banning guns hasnt made a difference here...

[Bill 213]

I don't believe that. Shootings are everywhere, whether it be in the UK, asia, OR america...
I don't think it started in one place...

Um, no sorry. We don't have to worry about some crazy fucker opening fire while we're shopping or whether somebody will shoot our kids in school. It just doesn't happen. So you CAN say that it's only in the US.

Of course it happens in places other than US, - my mind immediately goes to Dunblane, Scotland where a guy walked into a primary school and shot dead 16 children and a teacher in 1996.? The kids were 5/6 year olds.? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre? ?Following that, a month later a guy gunned down 35 random people in Tasmania, apparently the Dunblane massacre "triggered" him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant

You cant confine that kind of craziness to one country.? Sadly these monsters exist everywhere and tragically, there are more examples worldwide.? Taking out innocent people because of a desire to be famous or "known", when there is also the ultimate intention of suicide is so fkn selfish and wrong and dark.

There are gun problems in the UK for example as well and our laws dont seem to deter kids from buying guns and using them, regardless of the fact that guns are illegal here.? Seems to be a trend this year particularly for teenage boys shooting each other due to lack of respect (in London, Manchester, Liverpool to name a few).? Banning guns hasnt made a difference here...

I agree that it happens elsewhere, but to say banning guns hasn't made a difference.....look at the numbers from 1998 when the last study was conducted.
In the US there was 11,789 reported firearm homicides....not including accidental shootings, etc.....just homicide only.
In England and Wales, there was only 54.

[fuckin crazy]

If it had not been for private ownership of firearms, this country would have never gained it's independence.

Um, yes a long time ago. How is that relevant now?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Franklin 1759

It is just as relevant today as it was 248 years ago. The current administration of the US is out of control. "The rule of law" means absolutely nothing anymore. The violations of Federal Law are numerous, continuous, and ongoing. Congress has abrogated it's authority to keep the Executive Branch in check, while the Supreme Court sits around with their collective thumb's up their ass'.

The Second Amendment is one of the freedoms that Americans have to protect themselves from tyranny. So, FUCK NO! I won't give it up.

I know banning guns right away is not the solution for a country that loves it's firearms, but maybe a stepwise plan should be implemented to achieve it. Stricter laws in procuring firearms won't help in cases where, say, a kid steals his dad's gun and goes off to school.

See above ... I can tolerate the a few casulties if that is what it takes to maintain my freedom. Shootings are horrible, but the consequences are a lot worse.

I ask, how many oppressed have died at the hands of tyrants? Would an armed populace have made a difference in N. Korea?

[babydolls]

I don't believe that. Shootings are everywhere, whether it be in the UK, asia, OR america...
I don't think it started in one place...

Um, no sorry. We don't have to worry about some crazy fucker opening fire while we're shopping or whether somebody will shoot our kids in school. It just doesn't happen. So you CAN say that it's only in the US.

Of course it happens in places other than US, - my mind immediately goes to Dunblane, Scotland where a guy walked into a primary school and shot dead 16 children and a teacher in 1996.? The kids were 5/6 year olds.? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre? ?Following that, a month later a guy gunned down 35 random people in Tasmania, apparently the Dunblane massacre "triggered" him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant

You cant confine that kind of craziness to one country.? Sadly these monsters exist everywhere and tragically, there are more examples worldwide.? Taking out innocent people because of a desire to be famous or "known", when there is also the ultimate intention of suicide is so fkn selfish and wrong and dark.

There are gun problems in the UK for example as well and our laws dont seem to deter kids from buying guns and using them, regardless of the fact that guns are illegal here.? Seems to be a trend this year particularly for teenage boys shooting each other due to lack of respect (in London, Manchester, Liverpool to name a few).? Banning guns hasnt made a difference here...

I agree that it happens elsewhere, but to say banning guns hasn't made a difference.....look at the numbers from 1998 when the last study was conducted.
In the US there was 11,789 reported firearm homicides....not including accidental shootings, etc.....just homicide only.
In England and Wales, there was only 54.

 that study was done in 1998? I do see your point - in that america has a much larger-scale issue with guns and how readily available they are. and I would def expect the homicide figures to be a lot higher there. Yet  I was just trying to show that instances like this mall shooting do happen in countries where guns are not as easily available.  And certainly this year (almost a decade on since that last study was conducted), it seems as though there has been a definate rise in the numbers of UK teenagers who can, will and do get guns and dont hold back from using them.  That is a change in London since I've lived here (11 years). and a sad, worrying one at that.

[AbominableHoman]

what a bunch of bullshit.   Like guns are the only way to kill people.     If it wasn't a gun, it would have been something else.

No, it couldn't have been something else. There's no way a guy can run around stabbing 8 or 9 people. Somebody would have taken him down before that. Most of these kids are not terrorists or anything, so they wouldn't have access to bombs or have the knowledge to make bombs. So what else is left? Kungfu people to death? I don't think so...

You got to understand, most of these guys are wimps. It's easy to shoot somebody from a distance, but it takes whole different level of gumption to get up close to someone and stab them.

and even if it wasn't our constitutional right to bear arms, you really think that would stop someone from getting a gun?

It's because it's your "constitutional right" that guns are so easy to get. In a country where guns are allowed only for law enforcement, there's no way kids can get guns. It's not like you can go to a store and buy one. Which you can in the US.

You think the only alternative to guns are knives? There's a plethora of information on the internet. Duffle bag + propane tank + simple blasting cap = a lot more harm then any gun would do.

Gun are not the issue here. Get it? It's the people who commit the crimes.

[Bill 213]

Another shooting in a missionary training center in Colorado today:

ARVADA, Colo. - A gunman walked into a training center dormitory for young Christian missionaries early Sunday and opened fire, killing two of the center's staff members and wounding two others. No arrests had been made by late morning.

The shooting happened at about 12:30 a.m. at the Youth With a Mission center, police spokeswoman Susan Medina said. About 45 people were evacuated from the dormitory in this Denver suburb.

A man and a woman in their mid-20s died, and two men ages 22 and 23 were wounded, Medina said. One of the injured men was in critical condition, said Paul Filidis, a Colorado Springs-based spokesman with Youth With a Mission.

All four of the victims were staff members, Filidis said.

Witnesses told police that the gunman was a 20-year-old white male, wearing a dark jacket and skull cap. He may have glasses or a beard.

"There's no blueprint for this, we're just going to be honest and pray for one another, cry with one another," center director Peter Warren told KUSA-TV. "Who knows what was going on in this young man's life."

Police with several dogs searched the area through the night, and residents of nearby homes were notified by reverse 911 to be on the lookout. Medina said residents were asked to look out their windows to see if the snow had been disturbed during the night. About 4 inches of snow had fallen in the area in the past day.

Mimi Martin, who lives near the center, said she received the warning call at about 9 a.m. warning neighbors to keep their doors and windows locked.

"Why would anybody want to hurt those kids?" Martin said. "I just pray for their families."

The dormitory is on the campus of the Faith Bible Chapel. People bundled up against freezing cold arrived for Sunday services at the sanctuary, about 300 yards from the dormitory.

Darv Smith, director of a Youth With a Mission center in Boulder, said people ranging from their late teens to their 70s undergo a 12-week discipleship course that prepares them to be missionaries.

He said the center trains about 300 people a year.

Youth With a Mission was started in 1960 and now has 1,100 locations with 16,000 full-time staff, Smith said. The Arvada center was founded in 1984.

[mrlee]

he was probably a failed missionary or something.

So he decided to take his revenge.

but seriously, wtf is it with america and mad gunman.