Does the success or failure of Angel Down have any impact on Axl and CD?

[jaypayton]

we all know Axl keeps track of everything with a fine toothed comb...And the fact Baz's record came in at 190 in week 1 is terrible....Lets be honest if VR or GNR came in at 190 (which would never happen) it would be over....during the hair metal days skid row was a top 20 band......Baz promoted the hell out of this record, dropped Axl's name everywhere to sell copies and it still came in at 190 which is also troubling because you would think Axl's name alone could have brought it up...Now this is a Baz record, not an Axl record...and its failure rests on Baz's shoulders....We all know if this record was top 20 it would make Axl more eager to drop CD...so now that it is a failure will it make Axl more reluctant to drop CD? Just a thought..we all know how one thing usually ties into another in the GNR? world.....and when i say failure i am comparing it to Baz's best selling records (slave to the grind for example)

[D]

No because Axl had nothing to do with the success of a Sebastian Bach CD>


That album has little promotion, no Video, no single and the general public don't really care about Sebastian.


Axl on the other hand and Chinese Democracy are on a whole nother level


that being said. CD has to have a kick ass first single and video or it probably won't sell very well either.

The industry is driven by that first or second single. Without it, CD's dont sell.

[jarmo]

Failure?

I don't think Baz himself was expecting a Top 10 debut....

Compare how the big albums are promoted to Baz talking about his album on rock radio and you'll see the difference.


I don't think it's a coincidence you started this thread. Your past posts in threads mentioning the name Sebastian Bach says it all.




/jarmo

[Montrealrocks]

Success or not, after listening to Angel Down, it kicks ass.  THAT'S the success. Who cares how many cd he sells.

[ibelieveinaxl]

how many units were sold??

[Bandita]

I don't think Baz was delusional to think he was going to have the #1 record or something like that and I don't think it will have much impact on what Axl is doing. ?I am sure he wants Baz to do well but he did what he did and appeared on the album as a friend. ?

I have to wonder though, Jay, does it make you feel good that it didn't debut well? ?You don't have much positive to say about it or him so I can only gather that your motivation for starting this thread is more about trying to gloat than any other reason that could be considered valid.

how many units were sold??

6400 I believe?

[Jaci_Roxx]

You know, the usual reaction when people hear Sebastian Bach's name is: "Who's that? What album? Never heard."
You can't really say the same thing about Axl and Chinese f*ing Democracy!

So no, that doesn't have any impact on Axl and CD's future success. Don't worry. ?

(Oh, you were talking about whether it makes it harder for Axl to release the album... I think NOT. )

[Janabis]

Failure?

I don't think Baz himself was expecting a Top 10 debut....

6400 units in it's debut week is a pretty big commercial failure by any standards, which is a little surprising considering that Axl's name was attached and it's all that Bach has been talking about for the past two months.

[Limulus]

when i asked in different stores about the exact release date in germany - one female metal store worker asked back if he is still in skid row....

edit:
- Axl sticker on the jewel case here by the way
- CD release was "germanwide" last friday november 23rd 2007, not hard to find it in markets here....kinda cool at least

[LIGuns]

I wonder how olnline sales were. Being on a small label didn't help either.Many chains either didn't carry it, stocked a few and did not shelve it w/ new releases..

[Bandita]

I wonder how olnline sales were. Being on a small label didn't help either.Many chains either didn't carry it, stocked a few and did not shelve it w/ new releases..

Definitely part of the problem that I had to dig through the rack to find it and they didn't even have a section for Bach's name, they just threw it somewhere in the B section behind some stuff. 

Isn't the record under EMI now?

[horsey]

it's still kinna early to tell.with the holidays going on an all.people will buy them as presents for people.after the holidays we may see more sales of angel down.and axl knows his cd will rock no matter hows bach's cd turns out.they are two intirely different people.

[AdZ]

Isn't the record under EMI now?

I think it's being distributed by EMI but he's on his own record label.

[faldor]

Absolutely not. ?The only way I may subscribe to that theory is if Axl himself was out there helping Sebastian to promote. ?And speaking of promotion, I'd hardly consider Baz's attempt a media blitz. ?He was on local radio stations across the country. ?That's a little different than going on National programs. ?Just for comparison sake, people claim lack of promotion on Libertad's slow sales, but the amount of promotion between the 2 isn't even close. ?As people have already stated, Angel Down was either hard to find or not in many stores. ?I don't think anyone expected a big debut, I'm kind of surprised it cracked the top 200.

[horsey]

i herd it wasn't really out till black friday.a holiday crazy shopping day.people should have been buying copies then.so who knows maybe some more time to see how it goes.

[Robman?]

I think anyone who think sales will pick up is a complete optimist. It just doesn't happen, especially if the promotional campaign is over, theres no tour to speak of, no substantial first week sales or buzz regarding it at all.

With that said, the tracks that I heard were not impressive whatsoever so I have not purchased the album. Had it been good, I would have.

[AxlFink]

have they filmed a video yet?  what is the official first single?  I downloaded the cd on Itunes.  Does digital downloads count towards the 6500 and is the 6500 just the states or world wide?  I love just about every song on angel down and even think its better than Skid Row and I always like them as well. 

[The_Wretched]

It won't impact CD at all in my opinion. Let's face it... the album is garbage overall. The only track that stands out is "back in the saddle"... which an Aerosmith song. Axl shines cuz he sounds great. Baz however sounds like horsesh*t. sorry to any Baz fans.

Baz is not a popular name... no where to Axl's iconic status in Pop Culture. Axl will sell a crapload of copies without even trying.

[Dead N' Bloated]

Didn't alot of places sell out of Angel Down within the first few days of it being released?


 

[bazgnr]

Didn't alot of places sell out of Angel Down within the first few days of it being released?

 

Allegedly, but when you only stock 1 or 2 copies, it's easy to sell out.

Regardless of whether Angel Down fails or succeeds, it's served its purpose in terms of re-introducing Axl to both music fans and hard rock radio.  Not only a cool favor to do for a friend, but also a solid PR strategy if and when CD is nearing release.