Matt Sorum - the weak link in VR?

[Ines_rocks!]

If there?s a weak link in VR it will be Dave Kushner. Not Matt... at all.

[CSS]

If there?s a weak link in VR it will be Dave Kushner.

How so?

He's probably the guy who brings out the most to the group.

[Ines_rocks!]

If there?s a weak link in VR it will be Dave Kushner.

He's probably the guy who brings out the most to the group.

lol are you serious?

Matt has evolved a lot from Contraband to Libertad. I love his skilled drumming... it goes along with the songs.

[coolman78SLASH]

If there?s a weak link in VR it will be Dave Kushner. Not Matt... at all.

My opinion: Scott! I cant make myself able to like his work, no matter how hard I try..

[CSS]

lol are you serious?

Eh, yes?

Have you even listened to the structure of the guitars on 'Contraband' and 'Libertad'?

It's not just Slash, you know - he's probably way more involved than you could ever imagine.

[Trist805]

I'd say out of the four( Dave is awesome but you can't compare him to the others)? I would say it is Scott, not Matt.? ?Scott was awesome in STP because he was the frontman among more underrated musicians? and it is probably harder for him to compete with other stars in VR.? It's also different styles and Scott doesn't have the same songwriting skills as Axl, but Scott probably has a better voice.? ?I think it probably gets crowded with all those stars up there so it's almost like they need a less is more approach, with more dominant Scott vocals.? It's almost like there are 4 frontmen up there.

Matt is a solid drummer and I can enjoy watching him play just for the fact that he is a pro and can go out and lay it down every night.? ?

[metallex78]

lol are you serious?

Eh, yes?

Have you even listened to the structure of the guitars on 'Contraband' and 'Libertad'?

It's not just Slash, you know - he's probably way more involved than you could ever imagine.

If by structure you mean 'playing farty guitar noises that clash with Slash's playing (especially on Libertad)', then I might agree with you...

I like Dave's contributions on Contraband, but on Libertad I turn the balance over so I can just hear Slash, as his playing annoys me.

[CSS]

If by structure you mean 'playing farty guitar noises that clash with Slash's playing (especially on Libertad)', then I might agree with you...

It's each to their own, I guess - but calling him the "weak" link in Velvet Revolver is bullcrap.

I love his rhythm guitar playing and I think that he brings out a lot to the group as a whole, and I also have to say that Dave Kushner suits Slash very well.

Hell, he even wrote one of the best songs on 'Libertad'.

[don_vercetti]

I'd say out of the four( Dave is awesome but you can't compare him to the others)  I would say it is Scott, not Matt.   Scott was awesome in STP because he was the frontman among more underrated musicians  and it is probably harder for him to compete with other stars in VR.  It's also different styles and Scott doesn't have the same songwriting skills as Axl, but Scott probably has a better voice.   I think it probably gets crowded with all those stars up there so it's almost like they need a less is more approach, with more dominant Scott vocals.  It's almost like there are 4 frontmen up there.

Matt is a solid drummer and I can enjoy watching him play just for the fact that he is a pro and can go out and lay it down every night.   

Haha, scott has a better voice?  Listen to It's So Easy and Mr Brownstone, as covered by VR and then the originals.  Those songs have very different ranges, and if you can tell me scott has a better voice than axl with a straight face after comparing those, then i'll eat my hat. 

As for Matt...i'd say that he's probably not the sole weak link in VR.  I'm not a fan of Matt, I don't think he's got much style or groove, although he's a good drummer.  But Gnr was something else, and he wasn't right for it.  But for VR, he does a fairly good job I feel.  Some of the songs on libertad have a really good feel to them, like Just Sixteen and Get Out The Door. 

[elmir]

It's also different styles and Scott doesn't have the same songwriting skills as Axl, but Scott probably has a better voice.

shit, i had to read that line a few times, in case you meant to say something else.....did you mean to say something else?

surely you meant to say something else....?

[Smoking Guns]

Remember who limited Sorum on UYI!? It was Axl that often critiqued his playing and "held him back" out side of the obvious like Locomotive which is fucking awesome!!

How did you find this out?

According to Matt himself at the time, Axl only asked him to drum a certain way on one song. November Rain.

You also forget that most of those songs were written with Steven in the band......





/jarmo

But I think maybe you are right because I don't remember another song being mentioned.?

So one song out of thirty caused you to say Axl "held him back" on the UYI albums?



/jarmo

Okay it was some Axl, and it was some of playing someone else's material.  Either way, he wasn't able to be as original as much as he would have liked. I think that is a fair statement. 

[Smoking Guns]

It's also different styles and Scott doesn't have the same songwriting skills as Axl, but Scott probably has a better voice.

shit, i had to read that line a few times, in case you meant to say something else.....did you mean to say something else?

surely you meant to say something else....?

Elmir, ha, I had to do the same thing.

Scott in a low tone has a beautiful voice, but when time to rock and scream and hit high notes, not even close.  Axl hands down.  In a ballad with no screaming or high notes (you got no right) you may have an argument.

[elmir]

there is no argument....whatsoever....scott sounds ok on some bits, but c'mon....comparing him to Axl is a bad idea, saying that he has a better voice...?

sure.

[don_vercetti]

It's also different styles and Scott doesn't have the same songwriting skills as Axl, but Scott probably has a better voice.

shit, i had to read that line a few times, in case you meant to say something else.....did you mean to say something else?

surely you meant to say something else....?

Elmir, ha, I had to do the same thing.

Scott in a low tone has a beautiful voice, but when time to rock and scream and hit high notes, not even close.  Axl hands down.  In a ballad with no screaming or high notes (you got no right) you may have an argument.

I'd say even that is rubbish.  Ok, I only know vr material of his.  But I think Axl's voice on something like Don't Cry (a fairly deep, melodic ballad-esque song) is a lot better than Scott's voice on one of their ballads, like Fall To Pieces or Loving The Alien. 

[JAC185]

Scott's voice acoustically, at least back in the day (i saw a pretty decent acoustic TLF recently aswell) was incredible. If you see STP unplugged, or hear the acoustic version of Plush on their Greatest Hits its simply perfect singing, love his voice in those scenarios.

[mrlee]

his drumming never did much for me.

he doesnt do much cowbell either (if any?), thats a major violation!

[Smoking Guns]

Scott's voice acoustically, at least back in the day (i saw a pretty decent acoustic TLF recently aswell) was incredible. If you see STP unplugged, or hear the acoustic version of Plush on their Greatest Hits its simply perfect singing, love his voice in those scenarios.

I agree.  Scott acoustic plush is a great voice.

[Falcon]

I agree.? Scott acoustic plush is a great voice.

His voice on "Sour Girl" is amazing as well.

Both singers have their strengths, Axl rips the high screech like nobody's business while Scott's lower register is smooth and rich.

It's all subjective anyway..

[jarmo]

Remember who limited Sorum on UYI!  It was Axl that often critiqued his playing and "held him back" out side of the obvious like Locomotive which is fucking awesome!!

How did you find this out?

According to Matt himself at the time, Axl only asked him to drum a certain way on one song. November Rain.

You also forget that most of those songs were written with Steven in the band......





/jarmo

But I think maybe you are right because I don't remember another song being mentioned. 

So one song out of thirty caused you to say Axl "held him back" on the UYI albums?



/jarmo

Okay it was some Axl, and it was some of playing someone else's material.  Either way, he wasn't able to be as original as much as he would have liked. I think that is a fair statement. 

Amazing how you manage to put all the blame on Axl at first, then you change it to "some Axl".

 

I agree.  Scott acoustic plush is a great voice.

His voice on "Sour Girl" is amazing as well.

Both singers have their strengths, Axl rips the high screech like nobody's business while Scott's lower register is smooth and rich.

It's all subjective anyway..

Some of you need to get headphones and listen closely to some GN'R....

Axl''s more than a high voice. That's what makes him stand above many of the other singers who have come around during the last 20 years.



But isn't this about how great Matt Sorum is?





/jarmo

[D]

Not a big fan of Matt Sorum


Steven Adler is by far the best drummer GNR has ever had.

THere is absolutely nothing Scott does vocally better than Axl ,Cept maybe sound like Eddie Vedder.


I love Scott, don't get me wrong, but he has no register that compares to Axl.