Matt Sorum - the weak link in VR?

[Jim Bob]

Falcon kept deleting my posts in another thread, so I assume it was because it was off topic so i'll make a new one.

Most of us consider Scott the weak link in VR.. and while I agree they could have gone with a better frontman, they really really should have gone with another drummer. 

I think Matt Sorum, while a techincally skilled drummer, is a very boring drummer and he doesn't have the groove the other guys who play(or played) in GnR have.  GnR is a better band without Matt Sorum.   I think most would agree with this.   What about VR?

thoughts?

[cfcsfc]

It's funny, when ever me and my mates talk about VR we are always opposite to what you just said.
I never really took too much notice of him in GnR (not saying he was bad at all, just didn't draw too much attention), but in VR he has actually really impressed me. Don't know why, but now (on Crontraband in particular) he gets my attention. In my oppinion he is great in, and for VR.

[Smoking Guns]

Two words: Illegal I... or is it illegal eye song..  ha

Matt is solid and much better than he was in GNR!!

[-Jack-]

I find Matt to be mega boring on recordings but pretty decent live.

Because I don't care too much about live VR shows, I'd prefer him to be replaced with someone with more groove

[Jim Bob]

So you guys are saying he sucked in GNR but rocks in VR?   I dont know.. I just cant' get into his style. 

[cfcsfc]

So you guys are saying he sucked in GNR but rocks in VR?? ?I dont know.. I just cant' get into his style.?

I'm saying he did his job in GnR, but rocks in VR.
Like I said, I just didn't really notice him in GnR, but I deffinatly wouldn't say he sucked.
But to me there's been a deffinate step up since VR.

[Smoking Guns]

he is not as interesting as adler. ?adler was loose and just cool. ?Matt was more of a studio type guy.

But, his relationship and chemistry with Duff and Slash make him an asset. ?I love Brian Tichey, he is a monster drummer. ?

JB, many share your view. ?IN GNR he blew a lot cause Axl told him a lot how he wanted drums to sound. ?And maybe he was just chessy then, but he has come into his own. ?He is great live!

[Jim Bob]

yea i think the drums are the weakest part of the otherwise superb UYI albums     but to be honest, i see nothing specatular about his drumming on Libertad. 

Duff is still kicking ass, and if Slash would push himself he could do some great stuff, but I think these guys would do better with a different drummer.

[Smoking Guns]

yea i think the drums are the weakest part of the otherwise superb UYI albums? ? ?but to be honest, i see nothing specatular about his drumming on Libertad.?

Duff is still kicking ass, and if Slash would push himself he could do some great stuff, but I think these guys would do better with a different drummer.

Sorum on the first Snakepit album was awesome!!!!

[Robman?]

My friend and I were listening to Libertad, his first comment was that the drums were boring and repetitive.

I don't think matt has that much of a groove.

[Jim Bob]

I don't think matt has that much of a groove.

thats my biggest complaint.

[cfcsfc]

My friend and I were listening to Libertad, his first comment was that the drums were boring and repetitive.

I don't think matt has that much of a groove.

I like his druming on both VR albums, but prefer it on Contraband, and I can see what you mean about the groove.
I think the reason he was better on Contraband was because the songs were alot more raw sounding, so his style fit with it. With Libertad the songs sound more polished and just more straight rock n' roll, so his style didn't gel as well as it did on the first album and could have benifited from locking in a groove.

[DEAD HORSE]

yea i think the drums are the weakest part of the otherwise superb UYI albums? ? ?but to be honest, i see nothing specatular about his drumming on Libertad.?

Duff is still kicking ass, and if Slash would push himself he could do some great stuff, but I think these guys would do better with a different drummer.

Sorum on the first Snakepit album was awesome!!!!

you stole my words big broder! lol, exactly what i was going to say.

Matt in VR is ok, he has some great moments, great medley stuff. Its not "bad". ?And Matt in GNR rocked. Ex: Right next door to hell, locomotive, double talkin jive,november rain, etc.

[CSS]

Why would he be the weak link?

His drumming on both 'Contraband' and 'Libertad' is great. ("She Builds Quick Machines" is a great example)

I've seen Velvet Revolver twice, so I know what he's capable off live nowadays too.

[Billo]

I think VR are fine the way they are...

[metallex78]

I don't think Matt is the weak link in the band, I'd point that title to either Dave and Scott, especially on Libertad.

And as far as contributions go, Matt wrote the riff for Set Me Free, which is one the best VR songs (in my opinion) written. So that alone puts him high up there with Slash & Duff.

[Genesis]

He's hardly the weak link. He's not the best drummer around but he does the job decently. He also contributes riffs and wrote / inspired a few songs. I used to think Dave was the weak link, but he redeemed himself with "Get Out The Door"

[Jim Bob]

I like what Baz said about Brain before the Hammerstein shows.   

Do you ever think the Illusions might have been better albums if Brain or Frank was in the band instead? 

[elmir]

Do you ever think the Illusions might have been better albums if Brain or Frank was in the band instead? 

yes, but Brain would have had his ass whipped by Slash, who wasn't that keen on too many experiments, so Sorum would have ended up in GNR regardless....Brain's ability would have made them slightly nervous i think.....

[JAC185]

I like what Baz said about Brain before the Hammerstein shows.   

Do you ever think the Illusions might have been better albums if Brain or Frank was in the band instead? 

Yes. The experimentation on the album had to come from the rest of the music, new guitar styles and structure and the like. Brain probably would have added more to the variety himself.

But then perhaps its because of the limited time Sorum had to work on the album that he couldn't stamp his own style all over it.....through Snakepit and VR he's definitely proven himself a far superior studio drummer than what we saw in GNR.

Live he's a tank aswell, certainly adds to the feel of a VR show.