Slash to be on Howard Stern show

[Bridge]

Are you fucking stupid?? ?Who owns the name?? ?

Of course you ignored everything I said which explicitly explained what I meant.? So thanks for proving my point about you.? Everything just degenerates down to who owns the name when it comes to people like you.

And I also noticed you ignored everything I said about that the way that YOU are entirely responsible for starting shit around here.? Why?? Because YOU come into the ex-member section and start bitching and moaning about the fact that we're celebrating the EX-MEMBERS.?

Oh, now I'm "fucking stupid".? First it was a "whiny ass loser stuck in 1988".? And I've noticed Jarmo hasn't even bothered to pay attention to either insult.? I guess I was right when I earlier suggested whose side he's on around here.

Funny (and ironic) for someone like you to suggest anyone here is "stupid", here let me break this down so you can understand it this time.

THIS IS THE EX-GUNNERS SECTION.? IN THIS SECTION, WE TALK ABOUT THE EX-GUNNERS.? AND BECAUSE WE REVERE THE EX-GUNNERS, WE MAY OCCASIONALLY STATE THAT NO OTHER BAND COULD BE GUNS N ROSES EXCEPT THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS.? And we have the right to say that, because we are in the proper fucking section for said statements/discussions.

PERIOD.

If you don't like that, stay the fuck out of the EX-GUNNERS section and in your "new Guns N Roses" section where you can say whatever you like.? Notice how I'm not intruding in that section spewing my rhetoric they way you are here.

[CaughtMeInaComa]

No, I Like to focus on how you constantly state how you dislike the old members and velvet revolver,

Of course you would. Because it's more fun to talk about me than having to deal with the reality of VR's new album sucking.

(Because you love to talk about it) but yet you post more in VR section than anywhere else,

Liar liar, pants on fire:
    

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and you read slash's book and point out all the errors in several threads. So your dislike for Slash and CO. is very evident even though you love to talk about it.

You don't like Slash (or his lies) We get it!
That's really all I was trying to say, is We get It!

So I shouldn't read his book where he talks about my favorite band because I don't like his current band?

Who are you to decide what I can read?


I love GN'R, I love the music Slash played on while he was in GN'R.

And unlike people like you who try to ridicule what the others are doing or did in GN'R, I never said the former members had no part i making GN'R what it is.

Unlike many of you (or so it seems, no offense meant), I grew up (or refused to grow up depending on how you see it) around the time when GN'R were the biggest band on the planet. I didn't just experience it all on Youtube.

How about you do something different for a change and say something positive? Tell us what you do like about Slash or anything he's done since 1996? I'd like to hear that.

I liked his performance of Hey Joe at that UK Hall of Fame.




Tell me what you like about Robin Finck of Guns N' Roses since you're posting on a Guns N' Roses fan site. I'd like to hear that.



/jarmo

I love the new version of KOHD. It blows me away.
If they changed all the old songs like that, every version would be amazing.

[jarmo]

I guess I was right when I earlier suggested whose side he's on around here.

Fans who support the current GN'R.

Because those are the fans this site is aimed at.


 



/jarmo

[Bridge]

Fans who support the current GN'R.

Because those are the fans this site is aimed at.

Thanks for clarifying.? So when are you planning to just delete this section?? Because obviously, the ORIGINAL band that made GNR what it was shouldn't have any representation on a Guns N Roses site!? Never mind that I (along with other ex-member fans) are posting in the proper section (the ex-member section), it's just all our damn fault for sparking the tempermental infantiles around here who have a hunger for malevolently tearing down anyone who doesn't think the way they do.   

Oh yeah, one more question, when are you planning to amend your rules to saying "It's not cool to insult other users.....unless they are EX MEMBER FANS!"

Because that's obviously the way you're operating.? Well done chap.

[Jim Bob]

dude i'm not insulting you.  i asked if you were stupid, i didn't call you stupid.     maybe the whole stuck in the 80s whiny thing was a bit of a jab and you have my sincerest of apologies if it hurt your feel goods. 

i ain't got nothin against you personally, but to think you can say whether or not the band thats legally GnR really is or isn't GnR is pretty laughable.    and I did read what you wrote.   The name on my ticket stubs say "Guns N' Roses".. so thats a fact.   Can you prefer older lineups and think they are the definitive lineup of GnR?  sure, thats fine.   But you can't say this band isn't GnR because it is and that is the bottom line.   And claiming Axl is the last person qualified to make that decision is just a dumb thing to say.   Do you have any part in GnR's history?
   
this section, Its a place we can discuss the ex-members of the band. after all, they did play a key role in GnR's early success, so why not have a section for them to keep up with what they do?  that doesn't mean we have to love everything they do.   I dont think there is a need for a VR only section, i think it could all go in one section, but its not my site to make those decisions.

[JimBobTTD]

I just have way less respect for a liars and a thieves..... No matter if they're ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R.

/jarmo

But you have a WHOLE LOAD of respect for wifebeaters. But does it matter to you if they are ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R?

[Jim Bob]

but to think you can say whether or not the band thats legally GnR really is or isn't GnR is pretty laughable.  And claiming Axl is the last person qualified to make that decision is just a dumb thing to say.

Dude, you still aren't hearing me.  Firstly, let me state that I AM AWARE that Axl owns the name.  I AM AWARE that LEGALLY the band is indeed entitled Guns N Roses.

But what you still aren't getting is my point that who or what Guns N Roses is/means extends way beyond legal technicalities.  Who/what GNR means to me has nothing to do with legal bullshit about who owns the name.  It has the do with the feelings, attitudes, and marks that the MUSIC has made upon me over the years.  That's what GNR means to me.  When I'm headbanging to Appetite for Destruction, the last thing I'm thinking about is the fact that Axl owns the name.

And yes, Axl Rose himself could not stand in front of me and tell me how to feel about Guns N Roses simply because he has a certain legal document in his possession.  As a fellow who purchased GNR records and supported him/them over the years, I'll decide for myself what they are.  Because the fans are ultimately what made them who they were in the first place.

Reducing the ecstasy that is Guns N Roses down to a legal technicality about name rights is insulting to the music and aura the original lineup created (or the new lineup for that matter, if they ever release any music).  That's all I am saying man.  GNR isn't just about a damn piece of paper that says "YOU OWN THE NAME!".  Can't you at least agree with that, regardless of what lineup you like?

I'm not reducing shit.   i'm saying whether or not you like it, this band is Guns N' Roses.   I'm not saying you have to like it, but after all these years you should accept it.  Of course GnR is more than a name, its a band that made an impact in rock n roll.   That doesn't change the facts and doesn't allow you to alter them just because you dont' particularly care for the lineup now.

That's right, you don't.  And it doesn't mean that I have to love everything Axl does.  That's what you don't seem to get.  It seems to be "I can....but you can't" with you (and Jarmo).   

I guess you missed where Jarmo said this site is aimed at fans of the current GnR lineup.  I dont know what part of that is hard to understand

[Jim Bob]

I'm not reducing shit.   i'm saying whether or not you like it, this band is Guns N' Roses.   

There, you just reduced it again.

I'm not saying you have to like it, but after all these years you should accept it.

Again, you're attempting to dictate my thoughts/opinions.

Of course GnR is more than a name, its a band that made an impact in rock n roll.

Oh, so you CAN listen and understand when you want to!  That's what I've said all along!  It IS more than a name.  When I say what I think is or isn't GNR, I'm not going by a bloody certificate of legal ownership, because that doesn't mean squat to me.

That doesn't change the facts and doesn't allow you to alter them just because you dont' particularly care for the lineup now.

The only "fact" you have ever presented is that Axl legally owns the name, which I've never disputed.

omg.

you are letting your emotions dictate your thoughts.    You don't particularly care for this lineup of GnR.  That doesn't make it not GnR.    Yes, legal ownership rules over everything else.    Can I just decide that the computer you are typing this nonsense on isn't really your computer, its actually mine?    thats what you are fucking doing dude.  You think you are someone special who has the right to decide what Guns N' Roses is or isn't?   You don't.  You are just a regular person, like me, and like any other member of this board.   You had no part in GnR's history, you have no stake in the name Guns N' Roses, you have no right to tell the guys who are Guns N' Roses now that they aren't.   Quit being so nieve.

I understand your love for the old GnR lineups or the original lineup, and nothing is taking away from what they did.   

Believe me, I didn't miss it.

Although it's funny how this site went up in 1996, so this site has been devoted to the current lineup for longer then it's existed.   Quite the psychic, are we Jarmo? 

its devoted to Guns N' Roses as in present day.   the same as it was in 1996, the same as it was in 2000, the same as it was last year in 2006, and the same as it is now in 2007.  Like I said, just because you don't like the fact that Axl continued on with the name doesn't mean this band is not GnR.   You don't have to like it.   But if you don't, I can tell you are wasting your time on this site.

[cfcsfc]

I just have way less respect for a liars and a thieves..... No matter if they're ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R.

/jarmo

But you have a WHOLE LOAD of respect for wifebeaters. But does it matter to you if they are ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R?

Wow, you just sumed up the one sidedness of this board in two sentances JimBobTTD, good call!

[Jim Bob]

You had no part in GnR's history

How wrong you are.  I had the most important part in Guns N Roses history.  I was a FAN.  I bought the albums, the tickets, I supported the band.  The millions of fans and I helped make this band what it was.  No lineup would've been shit without the fans.  And the memories, feelings, and music the name Guns N Roses created FAR supercede any fucking legal technicality that you can hang yourself up on (which is obviously that's your only argument).

You still can't seem to register in your thick skull that when I say "it's not Guns N Roses", I'm not speaking of legal mumbo jumbo.

blah blah blah blah

And speaking of wasting your time, I thought you were done talking to me?

get the fuck over yourself.  you didn't do anything.   if it wasn't for the talent and quality of music from Guns N' Roses, you wouldnt' have been a fan in the first place.  You must be one of those 'well since I'm a fan axl owes me this and this and that' type "fans".   you do not fucking dictate what Guns N' Roses is just because you bought some CDs.  the "legal mumbo jumbo" is a cold hard fact and cannot be avoided.   You choose to ignore it and make up your own rules and you are making yourself look like a complete ass.  I am done with you.  its pointless talking to someone whose head is so far up slash's ass that they cant' see the reality of the situation.  theres no point.

[Bridge]

get the fuck over yourself.? you didn't do anything.? , you wouldnt' have been a fan in the first place.? You must be one of those 'well since I'm a fan axl owes me this and this and that' type "fans".? ?you do not fucking dictate what Guns N' Roses is just because you bought some CDs.? the "legal mumbo jumbo" is a cold hard fact and cannot be avoided.? ?You choose to ignore it and make up your own rules and you are making yourself look like a complete ass.?? its pointless talking to someone whose head is so far up slash's ass that they cant' see the reality of the situation.? theres no point.

Ah, more puerile insults in place of rational discussion.? Nicely done!? ?? I'm sure Jarmo will be proud of his son.? I hope you've thanked him, if you weren't such an Axl freak, he'd have given you -50 in karma by now for all your derogatory remarks.

I am done with you.

Famous last words.

[coolman78SLASH]

Just because people know Slash has a new band doesn't mean they're going to know he isn't in Guns N Roses anymore.

Look at Motley Crue.? In late 2004, Nikki Sixx was just starting a new band Brides of Destruction and releasing an album with them.? Tommy Lee was wrapped up in various projects which included Methods of Mayhem and solo albums.

But when a Motley Crue tour was announced in early 2005, everybody nevertheless assumed that the ORIGINAL members would be there, even if they knew about Tommy's solos stuff, or Brides of Destruction.? And they were correct, both Tommy and Nikki immediately dropped what they were doing and did the Motley Crue tour.

So even if people are well aware of Velvet Revolver, it's perfectly logical to still assume Slash will be at a Guns N Roses show.? You people have to bear in mind that not everybody reads crap on the internet to be savvy of all the lineup changes.? Some people just go on association.? They hear Guns N Roses, they think of Slash and assume he'll be there, even if they know about Velvet Revolver.

GN'R is doing what they've always done.

They didn't exactly have ads saying "Guns N' Roses - now featuring Matt Sorum and Gilby Clarke" during the UYI tour.





/jarmo

I dont want to argue with you Jarmo, because I respect you, and Im greatfull for your effort in this site, and we are all fans of GnR in some way or another. But......  Around the time of the UYI tour GnR was the biggest band in the world, and I remember that the mainstreem press wrote and talked about everything GnR did, and what went around in the GnR camp. So they dident have to advertise the change in line up, it was the top stories in places like MTV, the biggest news papers, all major radio and TV channels, I think they even mentioned Izzy's departure on CNN ! And dont forget the Dont cry video with the "Where's Izzy" sign, that kind of got noticed by a lot of people.. so it got known to the majority of fans without GnR having to do so much for it to be known. But today, we get our news on the internet in sites like this who is for already devoted and interested fans, not the rest of the world so there is a slightly difference with the message getting out today, and in 1991.

[jarmo]

I dont want to argue with you Jarmo, because I respect you, and Im greatfull for your effort in this site, and we are all fans of GnR in some way or another. But......  Around the time of the UYI tour GnR was the biggest band in the world, and I remember that the mainstreem press wrote and talked about everything GnR did, and what went around in the GnR camp. So they dident have to advertise the change in line up, it was the top stories in places like MTV, the biggest news papers, all major radio and TV channels, I think they even mentioned Izzy's departure on CNN ! And dont forget the Dont cry video with the "Where's Izzy" sign, that kind of got noticed by a lot of people.. so it got known to the majority of fans without GnR having to do so much for it to be known. But today, we get our news on the internet in sites like this who is for already devoted and interested fans, not the rest of the world so there is a slightly difference with the message getting out today, and in 1991.

Newspapers back then also used old AFD pics in articles about the UYI band.....

But you have a WHOLE LOAD of respect for wifebeaters. But does it matter to you if they are ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R?

Your reading comprehension is astounding. Good luck, maybe you'll be able to finish high school.

Thanks for clarifying.  So when are you planning to just delete this section? 

Probably the day you people learn how to read since I've explained myself more than once.





/jarmo

[JimBobTTD]

But you have a WHOLE LOAD of respect for wifebeaters. But does it matter to you if they are ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R?

Your reading comprehension is astounding. Good luck, maybe you'll be able to finish high school.

/jarmo

If you think that this is the height of wit, you must have the most immature sense of humour this side of the Equator.

[JimBobTTD]

I just have way less respect for a liars and a thieves..... No matter if they're ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R.

/jarmo

But you have a WHOLE LOAD of respect for wifebeaters. But does it matter to you if they are ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R?

Wow, you just sumed up the one sidedness of this board in two sentances JimBobTTD, good call!

Yes, and look what happened.

[jarmo]

If you think that this is the height of wit, you must have the most immature sense of humour this side of the Equator.

Once again you're assuming shit without knowing anything.

Wouldn't expect anything less from you though.



/jarmo

[JimBobTTD]

You wouldn't expect anything less of me? Wow, I didn't realise we had met!

[jarmo]

You wouldn't expect anything less of me? Wow, I didn't realise we had met!

Thank God we didn't.

Judging by your posts, I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

You're obviously not on this site because of GN'R. Not even one post in the GN'R section.....

Happy now?


Or do you want cfcsfc to hold your hand while I explain it?



/jarmo

[JimBobTTD]

You wouldn't expect anything less of me? Wow, I didn't realise we had met!

Thank God we didn't.

/jarmo

And I pray that we do not.

[Ali]

I just have way less respect for a liars and a thieves..... No matter if they're ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R.

/jarmo

But you have a WHOLE LOAD of respect for wifebeaters. But does it matter to you if they are ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R?

I love when people bring this up. 

Axl was never even CHARGED with any domestic violence crime of any kind.  He was only sued in civil court.  There's a big difference.

Ali