Slash to be on Howard Stern show

[jarmo]

^ Bridge, you're making a whole helluva lot of good points in your posts, and I mostly agree with you
PS, someone will probably soon inform you, based on your view of GNR, how you don't belong here.

You two just stick to the VR section to talk about the STP covers Slash plays these days.



/jarmo

blahblahblah
STP covers or not, any band with Slash in it is always better than...hm...any band without Slash in it!

Now we know how objective you are.

Thanks. 



/jarmo

[Ali]

Of course there is a difference between touring with three members of the original band vs. one.? But that wasn't the point.? You missed that.

Quite the contrary.? Touring with one original vs three original members is EXACTLY the point.? And there is no hypocrisy on Slash's part, because it's obvious that this is what he means as well.? And your posts just prove my point about you.? You really don't comprehend the difference between having 1/5 of the original band there as opposed to 3/5, even if you say/think you do.? Because if you really did, you'd understand what Slash is saying.? He's making an accurate generalization that the current lineup DOESN'T include original members (Axl notwithstanding).? Conversely, the UYI lineup DID include original members besides Axl, even if it doesn't include all the original members.

And the way this correlates to the publicity thing is very simple.? If fans are ignorant of the GNR lineup and went to an Illusions show, they may be disappointed that Steven and Izzy aren't there, but at least three of the members they know and love still are there.? But if they went to a current show, there's only one there.? You can't see why fans would feel a little jilted at seeing only one there instead of three?? You can't see why fans need to know that?

Besides, it seems like several "GN'R fans" have a different opinion about when GN'R ended for them.

I'd say virtually every GNR fan has a different opinion on that matter.

Nobody says it ended when Steven was fired or Izzy left.

I'm insulted by you calling me a nobody, Jarmo, because that's precisely what I think.? The original members are the only GNR for me.? I didn't truly consider it GNR during the Illusions days, but even so, I am still sensible enough to understand how some people could, since more than half the originals were still there.

the former members have been gone for 10 years now. Get over it.

"Getting over it" is irrelevant to this discussion.

No, touring with three vs. one original member was your point!!! ?Not mine. ?You missed mine.

Your posts prove my point about you. ?Slash is making a distinguishment between having lost two key original members, including perhaps the most important member of GN'R, and having him and Duff not in the band. ?The band didn't go from five original members to one overnight. ?No additional or excess effort was made when Slash was in GN'R during the UYI days to inform the public of the loss of perhaps the most important member of GN'R, their principal songwriter during Appetite, Izzy Stradlin. ?In addition, the man who laid the foundation for GN'R's songs, Steven Adler, was no longer there.

Two key members gone. ?No excess effort made to inform the public of those changes. ?Two more key members gone, and now excess effort shold be made to inform the public? ?Can you not see the disconnect there?

If the fans were ignorant of the Illusion era lineup and went to see the band minus the principal songwriter, can't YOU see how fans would've been jilted at that? ?Can't YOU see why fans would need to know that?

No over the top effort was made then to inform the public of MAJOR changes in the lineup, and yes, when you lose your principal songwriter and the foundation of your rhythm that is a major change, back then. ?None should be made now.

You apparently don't comprehend the difference between having 5/5 original members and 3/5 original members, even if you say you do. ?If you did, you would see the point that I am making and you wouldn't bring up completely invalid points like having at least half, or most, of the original members of a band is "generally" accepted by the public. ?Did you not see the outcry and bitching by the fans when Van Halen went out on tour without Michael Anthony? ?Or the bitching by the fans and the public when Smashing Pumpkins reformed with only two of four original members?

If you did, you would see that it is NEVER the same when you lose an original member, even one. ?And, you wouldn't be so enveloped in making your point that you would see that going from 5/5 original members to 3/5 is just as huge a deal as going from 3/5 to 1/5 and that some sort of policy on public awareness of a band's lineup cannot be selectively enacted.

Ali

[Butch Français]

^ Bridge, you're making a whole helluva lot of good points in your posts, and I mostly agree with you
PS, someone will probably soon inform you, based on your view of GNR, how you don't belong here.

You two just stick to the VR section to talk about the STP covers Slash plays these days.



/jarmo

blahblahblah
STP covers or not, any band with Slash in it is always better than...hm...any band without Slash in it!

Now we know how objective you are.

Thanks.



/jarmo

that's allright, it was just to show the mirror image of your reply.

[Jim Bob]

I'm insulted by you calling me a nobody, Jarmo, because that's precisely what I think.  The original members are the only GNR for me.  I didn't truly consider it GNR during the Illusions days, but even so, I am still sensible enough to understand how some people could, since more than half the originals were still there.

i'm insulted that you feel you are some kind of authority to decide what is or isn't GnR.  YOU DONT MAKE THE CALL.    So shut up about it.

"Getting over it" is irrelevant to this discussion.

Its every bit relevant.  Its been over a decade since your lil hero left the band.    you either like it or you don't.  but what you don't have is the authority to say whether or not it is GnR.  Again, you do not make that decision.  Its not up to you.  You don't own the name.   Axl Does.   SO yes. Get the fuck over it. 

[Butch Français]

I'm insulted by you calling me a nobody, Jarmo, because that's precisely what I think. The original members are the only GNR for me. I didn't truly consider it GNR during the Illusions days, but even so, I am still sensible enough to understand how some people could, since more than half the originals were still there.

i'm insulted that you feel you are some kind of authority to decide what is or isn't GnR. YOU DONT MAKE THE CALL. So shut up about it.

I'm insulted that you think you have an authority over other peoples thoughts and opinions. YOU DON'T MAKE THAT CALL! so shut the fuck up about it.
this is getting funny

[Jim Bob]

I'm insulted by you calling me a nobody, Jarmo, because that's precisely what I think. The original members are the only GNR for me. I didn't truly consider it GNR during the Illusions days, but even so, I am still sensible enough to understand how some people could, since more than half the originals were still there.

i'm insulted that you feel you are some kind of authority to decide what is or isn't GnR. YOU DONT MAKE THE CALL. So shut up about it.

I'm insulted that you think you have an authority over other peoples thoughts and opinions. YOU DON'T MAKE THAT CALL! so shut the fuck up about it.
this is getting funny

fuck off     

I never claimed I did.   

none of you whiny ass losers who are stuck in 1988 get to decide who is or isn't GNR.  Axl Rose is the only one who makes that decision. 

[Butch Français]

I'm insulted by you calling me a nobody, Jarmo, because that's precisely what I think. The original members are the only GNR for me. I didn't truly consider it GNR during the Illusions days, but even so, I am still sensible enough to understand how some people could, since more than half the originals were still there.

i'm insulted that you feel you are some kind of authority to decide what is or isn't GnR. YOU DONT MAKE THE CALL. So shut up about it.

I'm insulted that you think you have an authority over other peoples thoughts and opinions. YOU DON'T MAKE THAT CALL! so shut the fuck up about it.
this is getting funny

fuck off

I never claimed I did.

none of you whiny ass losers who are stuck in 1988 get to decide who is or isn't GNR. Axl Rose is the only one who makes that decision.

oh I dunno, why don't you fuck off instead?
Im sorry to tell you that I am right now stuck in 2007.
too bad your lame ass comments don't go anywhere, if they did, you could actually have been a clever fella.

[Bridge]

You two just stick to the VR section to talk about the STP covers Slash plays these days.?

I will, thanks.? It's a lot better than sticking to the Guns N Roses section and talking about the GNR covers that Axl and his cohorts play these days.

i'm insulted that you feel you are some kind of authority to decide what is or isn't GnR.? YOU DONT MAKE THE CALL.?

No, apparently you do.? Apparently, you presume to be the God of everyone's thinking around here.? If anyone disagrees with you, they're wrong and subject to an infantile bashing from you, as if YOU'RE some kind of fucking authority.

shut up about it

Very mature way to present your viewpoints.? I rest my case.

Its every bit relevant.? Its been over a decade since your lil hero left the band.?

That issue of when Slash left was never brought up and you're just ranting pointlessly.? You just feel the need to start throwing darts at anyone you see on these boards (even if it's the VR board) who thinks any differently than you do.

I never claimed I did.? ?

Yes you did.? You do it all the time.? Maybe not but explicitly making the statement "I control your opinions and thoughts", but by your tempermental, pervasively asinine attitude.? Virtually every post you make is insulting someone else and telling them exactly what to think (such as demanding that I respect the new lineup, PERIOD!).

none of you whiny ass losers who are stuck in 1988 get to decide who is or isn't GNR

Wow, now you're getting nasty and calling names.? Very nice.? I just reported that post to the mods.? Though I suppose we'll see what jarmo does about it, since he seems to side with you.? Oh yeah, and I quoted everything you said (both here and in the report), so don't waste your time trying to edit your post to make it appear as though you didn't say it.

[Jim Bob]

No, apparently you do.  Apparently, you presume to be the God of everyone's thinking around here.  If anyone disagrees with you, they're wrong and subject to an infantile bashing from you, as if YOU'RE some kind of fucking authority.

it has nothing to do with a way of thinking.   

it has nothing to do with me thinking I decide what GnR is.  I don't decide!  Axl does.  He is the person who owns the name and he decides what Guns N' Roses is.  That is not up for debate.  It is 100% fact.   

Wow, now you're getting nasty and calling names.  Very nice.  I just reported that post to the mods.  Though I suppose we'll see what jarmo does about it, since he seems to side with you.  Oh yeah, and I quoted everything you said (both here and in the report), so don't waste your time trying to edit your post to make it appear as though you didn't say it.

   

i'm just sick of the same "its not GNR" arguments" or "its not the real GNR" or being made out to look like an idiot because I actually do support the band.  I'm going to say this one more time, then I am done with you.   You do not decide who is or isn't GnR.  Neither do I.   This board is for Guns N' Roses and that means present day.  If you choose to ignore that, expect people to give you a hard time.

[Butch Français]

No, apparently you do. Apparently, you presume to be the God of everyone's thinking around here. If anyone disagrees with you, they're wrong and subject to an infantile bashing from you, as if YOU'RE some kind of fucking authority.

it has nothing to do with a way of thinking.

it has nothing to do with me thinking I decide what GnR is. I don't decide! Axl does. He is the person who owns the name and he decides what Guns N' Roses is. That is not up for debate. It is 100% fact.

Wow, now you're getting nasty and calling names. Very nice. I just reported that post to the mods. Though I suppose we'll see what jarmo does about it, since he seems to side with you. Oh yeah, and I quoted everything you said (both here and in the report), so don't waste your time trying to edit your post to make it appear as though you didn't say it.

i'm just sick of the same "its not GNR" arguments" or "its not the real GNR" or being made out to look like an idiot because I actually do support the band. I'm going to say this one more time, then I am done with you. You do not decide who is or isn't GnR. Neither do I. This board is for Guns N' Roses and that means present day. If you choose to ignore that, expect people to give you a hard time.

what are you, some whiny ass loser? why don't you just shut up..?

[Bridge]

it has nothing to do with me thinking I decide what GnR is.? I don't decide!? Axl does.? He is the person who owns the name and he decides what Guns N' Roses is.? That is not up for debate.? It is 100% fact.

You couldn't be more wrong.? Axl is the last person to decide what GNR is.? EVERYONE who holds the name and legacy of Guns N Roses near and dear to their hearts is entitled to decide for themselves what Guns N Roses is.? And what it means will undoubtedly be different to whomever you ask.

This just illustrates your argument for what it really is: bullshit legal technicalities.? You gauge what GNR is strictly based on who legally owns the damn name, and I assure you, it's a hell of a lot more than a name to all the fans who have supported it over the years.

i'm just sick of the same "its not GNR" arguments" or "its not the real GNR"

Well, quit coming to the EX MEMBER section and ARGUING with us!? There you go, that will make the debates cease!? See, that again proves your attitude.? You think, "the it's-not-GNR arguments will cease when those OTHER PEOPLE shut up."? You're not realizing that it works both ways, the debates will also cease if YOU shut up and let us be "whiny ass bitches stuck in 1988" that you claim we want to be.

Now if people do that in the "current GNR" section, you'd have more grounds to bitch about it.? But the fans of the original lineup gravitate to this section to talk about the original lineup.? And we're entitled to do that.? People like you don't own the whole damn site.

or being made out to look like an idiot because I actually do support the band.

And you're guilty of make people out to be idiots (or "retards") because they don't support the new band.? It works both ways.? And dude, you're not an idiot because you support the band.? Whether or not you like the new band doesn't mean a hill of shit to me.? What gets me is the fact that you spend a shitload of time doing EXACTLY what you tell us not to do.? You claim we spend our time whining about the new band and the lineup, etc, but then you spend all your time here (in the ex-member section) telling us to shut up, calling us names, telling us to leave the site, etc.

This board is for Guns N' Roses and that means present day. If you choose to ignore that, expect people to give you a hard time

Once again, you're trying to assert yourself as a figure of a authority, trying to dictate what this site is about.? I'm going to repeat what I just said above....YOU DON'T OWN THE WHOLE FUCKING SITE!? There is a section -- THIS FUCKING SECTION -- which is devoted to discussing the FORMER MEMBERS OF GUNS N ROSES!? And that's exactly what we're doing, then you come in and start bitching about what we're doing.? If the entire site was strictly dedicated to the new lineup, this section would not exist.

And if YOU choose to ignore THAT, if you choose to invade the ex-gunner section and bitch about the people who like and appreciate the ex-gunners, then you can expect ME to give YOU a hard time.

[snakepiter]

http://rapidshare.com/files/66852561/HowardSlash2007_11-1-2007_8_08_51_PM.mp3.html

enjoy, if it's been posted already delete.

[CSS]

enjoy, if it's been posted already delete.

Thanks, I'll be sure to grab it later.

[Jim Bob]

Axl is the last person to decide what GNR is.

Are you fucking stupid?   Who owns the name?   

I wasn't going to respond, but wow....

[CaughtMeInaComa]

Jim BoB & Jarmo = 2 of the most slash/velvet revolver haters I have ever seen.  But still, They hang out in the VR section all the time and read slash's book.

Me thinks they love him! 

[Jim Bob]

I havent' read Slash's book.  I probably will one of these days just to see what it says but I'm in no rush.

And I don't HATE velvet revolver or Slash.    Hate is a strong word.  I've been a GnR fan since 1991 and you won't see me diss what Slash used to bring to the band.   

Do I like anything he's done since leaving GnR? 
No. snakepit and VR are neither bad nor good.   

Do I want him to come back to GnR?
No, I can appreciate what he brought to the band and still want to see it move forward with Robin and co. 

Am I sick of his hardcore fans bashing Axl, GnR, and the guys who replaced him?
Yes.  And in particular I am very tired of the "its not GnR" arguments.   No one on this board has the right to 'make up' what is or isn't GnR.   None of us own the name, Axl does.  It shouldn't even be up for argument, yet people won't shut up with that shit all these years later.

[jarmo]

Jim BoB & Jarmo = 2 of the most slash/velvet revolver haters I have ever seen.  But still, They hang out in the VR section all the time and read slash's book.

Me thinks they love him! 

Slash thanked us.

He didn't thanks his fans or VR fans, he thanked GN'R fans. Which means Jim Bob and me. 



Oh, and I don't hate Slash. I don't know him. So your whole idea of hating somebody I don't know is way off (surprise surprise). I think VR's music is boring though.


I just have way less respect for a liars and a thieves..... No matter if they're ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R.


So, how about you focus on saying something about the subject and less time focusing on "you hate Slash". It just makes you look dumb because you have nothing else to say.




/jarmo

[Jim Bob]

I for one am honored that Slash thanks me in his book.     Maybe I'll make an effort to pick this up sooner, but i'm so damn busy.   too busy to start reading a book right now.

[CaughtMeInaComa]

Jim BoB & Jarmo = 2 of the most slash/velvet revolver haters I have ever seen.? But still, They hang out in the VR section all the time and read slash's book.

Me thinks they love him!?

Slash thanked us.

He didn't thanks his fans or VR fans, he thanked GN'R fans. Which means Jim Bob and me.?



Oh, and I don't hate Slash. I don't know him. So your whole idea of hating somebody I don't know is way off (surprise surprise). I think VR's music is boring though.


I just have way less respect for a liars and a thieves..... No matter if they're ordinary people or somebody who used to be in GN'R.


So, how about you focus on saying something about the subject and less time focusing on "you hate Slash". It just makes you look dumb because you have nothing else to say.




/jarmo

No, I Like to focus on how you constantly state how you dislike the old members and velvet revolver,(Because you love to talk about it) but yet you post more in VR section than anywhere else, and you read slash's book and point out all the errors in several threads. So your dislike for Slash and CO. is very evident even though you love to talk about it.

You don't like Slash (or his lies) We get it!
That's really all I was trying to say, is We get It!

How about you do something different for a change and say something positive? Tell us what you do like about Slash or anything he's done since 1996? I'd like to hear that.

[jarmo]

No, I Like to focus on how you constantly state how you dislike the old members and velvet revolver,

Of course you would. Because it's more fun to talk about me than having to deal with the reality of VR's new album sucking.

(Because you love to talk about it) but yet you post more in VR section than anywhere else,

Liar liar, pants on fire:
    

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and you read slash's book and point out all the errors in several threads. So your dislike for Slash and CO. is very evident even though you love to talk about it.

You don't like Slash (or his lies) We get it!
That's really all I was trying to say, is We get It!

So I shouldn't read his book where he talks about my favorite band because I don't like his current band?

Who are you to decide what I can read?


I love GN'R, I love the music Slash played on while he was in GN'R.

And unlike people like you who try to ridicule what the others are doing or did in GN'R, I never said the former members had no part i making GN'R what it is.

Unlike many of you (or so it seems, no offense meant), I grew up (or refused to grow up depending on how you see it) around the time when GN'R were the biggest band on the planet. I didn't just experience it all on Youtube.

How about you do something different for a change and say something positive? Tell us what you do like about Slash or anything he's done since 1996? I'd like to hear that.

I liked his performance of Hey Joe at that UK Hall of Fame.




Tell me what you like about Robin Finck of Guns N' Roses since you're posting on a Guns N' Roses fan site. I'd like to hear that.



/jarmo