Slash to be on Howard Stern show

[kimberly]

Glad to see Slash agrees with me on Buckethead


I think Slash is doing a great job. He isn't making Axl out to be a bad guy, I think he is doing great answering questions and keeping the answers as civil as possible.

Slash was way off base with his assessment of Buckethead.? Just go listen to his Colma album, Slash.? He can play with as much feeling as you.? He may not do it as consistently, but he can do it.

Ali

Couldn't agree more... Slash even said himself that he barely heard any buckethead stuff, but that he only heard some songs.

[Ali]

Glad to see Slash agrees with me on Buckethead


I think Slash is doing a great job. He isn't making Axl out to be a bad guy, I think he is doing great answering questions and keeping the answers as civil as possible.

Slash was way off base with his assessment of Buckethead.? Just go listen to his Colma album, Slash.? He can play with as much feeling as you.? He may not do it as consistently, but he can do it.

Ali

Couldn't agree more... Slash even said himself that he barely heard any buckethead stuff, but that he only heard some songs.

Indeed.  If he hasn't really heard the man's music, he's really in no position to make a qualified, informed judgement.

Ali

[oldgunsfan]

jesus he sure seems to be more interested in talking about Axl then he is his own fucking band.

if he's promoting his book, that's what the majority of it is about

[Bridge]

jesus he sure seems to be more interested in talking about Axl then he is his own fucking band.

if he's promoting his book, that's what the majority of it is about

No shit.? Velvet Revolver has only been around for a couple years, so of course the majority of the book isn't going to cover that band.? Guns N Roses was Slash's seminal, formative band which introduced him to the music world.? As a musician, he grew up in that band and it gave him the greatest success of his career.? So of course most of the stories in the book will be about GNR, not VR.

[Bridge]

But, you can't say the [new] band has been trying to keep the lineup a secret.? I don't know what else they are to do besides introduce the band in a story on the official site like they did last year.

They could advertise it at the ticket sites so that fans know who they're seeing before they click that button to purchase.? But the fact is, while I won't disagree that Axl isn't keeping the new band a secret, it's in his best interest not to publicize too much.? The name Guns N Roses is so attractive and has such a storied past, that people who want to see the live show are going to automatically associate the name with past members (mainly Slash).? So it probably wouldn't be wise for Axl to shout it off the rooftops that the former members aren't there anymore, especially since the new band has yet to prove themselves musically (since they haven't released an album and primarily play covers of the original band's songs at their shows).

Indeed.? If [Slash] hasn't really heard [Buckethead's] music, he's really in no position to make a qualified, informed judgement.

Maybe Slash is going on Buckethead's renditions of the GNR material.? I'm sure he's heard some of that.

- Thinks it should be made clear to fans that GNR doesn't have original members in it. Thought that was weird to say

I think you guys are being too literal about that statement.? I am 100% certain that Slash realizes that Axl is an original member.? I think all of you wise-asses know that what Slash meant is that BESIDES AXL, there are no original members there, and people should be made aware of that.

And Dizzy Reed IS NOT an original member, period.? He didn't contribute to GNR music (only playing a few superfluous piano parts on the UYI albums), and he's no less of a hired gun than any of Axl's current band members.? Only difference is he's been there awhile longer.

I agree.? It's been over a decade since Slash left and nearly a decade since Duff left.? People know.? And if they don't know that, what does that say about VR?

youd be suprised how many people don't know. even when i went to see [Axl's band] in NJ last year people AT the concert? didn't know.

Anyway, kinda funny. The way VR was promoted as "featuring members of GN'R" and people knowing Slash.

I guess he's saying nobody knows Slash has a "new" band.

Just because people know Slash has a new band doesn't mean they're going to know he isn't in Guns N Roses anymore.

Look at Motley Crue.? In late 2004, Nikki Sixx was just starting a new band Brides of Destruction and releasing an album with them.? Tommy Lee was wrapped up in various projects which included Methods of Mayhem and solo albums.

But when a Motley Crue tour was announced in early 2005, everybody nevertheless assumed that the ORIGINAL members would be there, even if they knew about Tommy's solos stuff, or Brides of Destruction.? And they were correct, both Tommy and Nikki immediately dropped what they were doing and did the Motley Crue tour.

So even if people are well aware of Velvet Revolver, it's perfectly logical to still assume Slash will be at a Guns N Roses show.? You people have to bear in mind that not everybody reads crap on the internet to be savvy of all the lineup changes.? Some people just go on association.? They hear Guns N Roses, they think of Slash and assume he'll be there, even if they know about Velvet Revolver.

[Ali]

But, you can't say the [new] band has been trying to keep the lineup a secret.? I don't know what else they are to do besides introduce the band in a story on the official site like they did last year.

They could advertise it at the ticket sites so that fans know who they're seeing before they click that button to purchase.? But the fact is, while I won't disagree that Axl isn't keeping the new band a secret, it's in his best interest not to publicize too much.? The name Guns N Roses is so attractive and has such a storied past, that people who want to see the live show are going to automatically associate the name with past members (mainly Slash).? So it probably wouldn't be wise for Axl to shout it off the rooftops that the former members aren't there anymore, especially since the new band has yet to prove themselves musically (since they haven't released an album and primarily play covers of the original band's songs at their shows).

Indeed.? If [Slash] hasn't really heard [Buckethead's] music, he's really in no position to make a qualified, informed judgement.

Maybe Slash is going on Buckethead's renditions of the GNR material.? I'm sure he's heard some of that.

- Thinks it should be made clear to fans that GNR doesn't have original members in it. Thought that was weird to say

I think you guys are being too literal about that statement.? I am 100% certain that Slash realizes that Axl is an original member.? I think all of you wise-asses know that what Slash meant is that BESIDES AXL, there are no original members there, and people should be made aware of that.

And Dizzy Reed IS NOT an original member, period.? He didn't contribute to GNR music (only playing a few superfluous piano parts on the UYI albums), and he's no less of a hired gun than any of Axl's current band members.? Only difference is he's been there awhile longer.

I agree.? It's been over a decade since Slash left and nearly a decade since Duff left.? People know.? And if they don't know that, what does that say about VR?

youd be suprised how many people don't know. even when i went to see [Axl's band] in NJ last year people AT the concert? didn't know.

Anyway, kinda funny. The way VR was promoted as "featuring members of GN'R" and people knowing Slash.

I guess he's saying nobody knows Slash has a "new" band.

Just because people know Slash has a new band doesn't mean they're going to know he isn't in Guns N Roses anymore.

Look at Motley Crue.? In late 2004, Nikki Sixx was just starting a new band Brides of Destruction and releasing an album with them.? Tommy Lee was wrapped up in various projects which included Methods of Mayhem and solo albums.

But when a Motley Crue tour was announced in early 2005, everybody nevertheless assumed that the ORIGINAL members would be there, even if they knew about Tommy's solos stuff, or Brides of Destruction.? And they were correct, both Tommy and Nikki immediately dropped what they were doing and did the Motley Crue tour.

So even if people are well aware of Velvet Revolver, it's perfectly logical to still assume Slash will be at a Guns N Roses show.? You people have to bear in mind that not everybody reads crap on the internet to be savvy of all the lineup changes.? Some people just go on association.? They hear Guns N Roses, they think of Slash and assume he'll be there, even if they know about Velvet Revolver.

There is nothing more that could be done to inform the public of the new lineup.  By your logic, then everytime there is a significant lineup change in any band, efforts have to be made ensure the ticket buying public is aware of said changes.  Does Van Halen have to advertise it in their promos that Michael Anthony is not in the band?  What about the next time Motley Crue is touring without Tommy Lee?  At a certain point, you have to put the onus on the consumer to make informed, researched purchasing decisions.  You wouldn't spend $150-$200 on an mp3 player without looking into it a little would you?  With concert prices these days, why would you make such casual ticket purchases?

If Slash really wants to make an informed opinion on Buckethead's ability to play with emotion, he should give the man's work a listen.  Anyway, his KOHD solo at RIR III was proof enough of the man's ability to play a beautiful, lyrical solo.

Considering the degree and length of touring VR has done, one would have to be somewhat clueless about the limitations of a 24/7 week to think that any other project could be fit in.  The problem with your Crue analogy is that at the time Methods of Mayhem and Brides of Destruction were going on, the Crue band was not together.  So, there were no sideprojects going on then.  They just had one project, Brides and MOM.

Ali

[smishkey]

Notice how Slash completely tried to dodge Howard's "I hear Axl has a small penis" comment?  Slash was like, uh,hm and moved on.  hahaha.  Wonder where Howard heard that anyway?

[faldor]

Notice how Slash completely tried to dodge Howard's "I hear Axl has a small penis" comment?? Slash was like, uh,hm and moved on.? hahaha.? Wonder where Howard heard that anyway?

I'm sure Howard was just joking about that, trying to goad Slash into saying something outrageous and against Axl.  Slash didn't fall for it though, I thought he came off pretty well due to the semi-tough line of questioning.  I do think people are taking his words too literally in some parts.  I don't think he meant to insinuate that Axl was not an original member.  I do question his comments on Buckethead though.  I thought those were a little unnecessary.  At first he said he couldn't really comment on him because he never really heard his work.  Then it quickly changed to he heard a couple of songs and he played without any heart.  Well, which one is it?  It sounds like he's a bit jealous that he was ONE of the guys who tried to fill his role in the band.  Not that I don't agree with his comments, but it just sounds that way to me.

[jarmo]

Just because people know Slash has a new band doesn't mean they're going to know he isn't in Guns N Roses anymore.

Look at Motley Crue.  In late 2004, Nikki Sixx was just starting a new band Brides of Destruction and releasing an album with them.  Tommy Lee was wrapped up in various projects which included Methods of Mayhem and solo albums.

But when a Motley Crue tour was announced in early 2005, everybody nevertheless assumed that the ORIGINAL members would be there, even if they knew about Tommy's solos stuff, or Brides of Destruction.  And they were correct, both Tommy and Nikki immediately dropped what they were doing and did the Motley Crue tour.

So even if people are well aware of Velvet Revolver, it's perfectly logical to still assume Slash will be at a Guns N Roses show.  You people have to bear in mind that not everybody reads crap on the internet to be savvy of all the lineup changes.  Some people just go on association.  They hear Guns N Roses, they think of Slash and assume he'll be there, even if they know about Velvet Revolver.

GN'R is doing what they've always done.

They didn't exactly have ads saying "Guns N' Roses - now featuring Matt Sorum and Gilby Clarke" during the UYI tour.





/jarmo

[Ali]

Just because people know Slash has a new band doesn't mean they're going to know he isn't in Guns N Roses anymore.

Look at Motley Crue.? In late 2004, Nikki Sixx was just starting a new band Brides of Destruction and releasing an album with them.? Tommy Lee was wrapped up in various projects which included Methods of Mayhem and solo albums.

But when a Motley Crue tour was announced in early 2005, everybody nevertheless assumed that the ORIGINAL members would be there, even if they knew about Tommy's solos stuff, or Brides of Destruction.? And they were correct, both Tommy and Nikki immediately dropped what they were doing and did the Motley Crue tour.

So even if people are well aware of Velvet Revolver, it's perfectly logical to still assume Slash will be at a Guns N Roses show.? You people have to bear in mind that not everybody reads crap on the internet to be savvy of all the lineup changes.? Some people just go on association.? They hear Guns N Roses, they think of Slash and assume he'll be there, even if they know about Velvet Revolver.

GN'R is doing what they've always done.

They didn't exactly have ads saying "Guns N' Roses - now featuring Matt Sorum and Gilby Clarke" during the UYI tour.





/jarmo

Exactly.  Two of the five Appetite era members were gone and GN'R didn't go out of their way to announce it did they?

It sounds like a double standard to say that now that Duff and Slash, or just Slash for some people, are no longer a part of GN'R, now GN'R has a resposibility to make damn sure the public knows the lineup, but it wasn't as imperative back in the UYI days when two of the five original members left, including one the most important members.

Ali

[kimberly]

Just because people know Slash has a new band doesn't mean they're going to know he isn't in Guns N Roses anymore.

Look at Motley Crue.? In late 2004, Nikki Sixx was just starting a new band Brides of Destruction and releasing an album with them.? Tommy Lee was wrapped up in various projects which included Methods of Mayhem and solo albums.

But when a Motley Crue tour was announced in early 2005, everybody nevertheless assumed that the ORIGINAL members would be there, even if they knew about Tommy's solos stuff, or Brides of Destruction.? And they were correct, both Tommy and Nikki immediately dropped what they were doing and did the Motley Crue tour.

So even if people are well aware of Velvet Revolver, it's perfectly logical to still assume Slash will be at a Guns N Roses show.? You people have to bear in mind that not everybody reads crap on the internet to be savvy of all the lineup changes.? Some people just go on association.? They hear Guns N Roses, they think of Slash and assume he'll be there, even if they know about Velvet Revolver.

GN'R is doing what they've always done.

They didn't exactly have ads saying "Guns N' Roses - now featuring Matt Sorum and Gilby Clarke" during the UYI tour.





/jarmo

Exactly.? Two of the five Appetite era members were gone and GN'R didn't go out of their way to announce it did they?

It sounds like a double standard to say that now that Duff and Slash, or just Slash for some people, are no longer a part of GN'R, now GN'R has a resposibility to make damn sure the public knows the lineup, but it wasn't as imperative back in the UYI days when two of the five original members left, including one the most important members.

Ali

I agree completely. only now it's 'different' because it's happened to him personally. As long as the music sounds great then I'm sure people will survive the total shock of the change of bandmembers over the years.  and seeing the amount of people at the shows and how 9 out of 10 people reacted to the band and the music I'd say that they have indeed survived.

[Bridge]

Of course you all agree completely.  The only reason you guys see it that way is because you're fans of Axl and the new band.  Period.  Anybody with an ounce of objectivity can tell you that there is a very distinct difference between touring with THREE members of the original band (as they did during UYI) and having ONE member of the original band present.

During the UYI days, it certainly wasn't a true "original" lineup since Steven and Izzy were gone, but three of the originals were still there.  Touring with three out of five original members is fairly common in the music world.  Generally, people still accept as the same band, because the majority of the original members are still there.

But now, there is ONE original member.  ONE out of FIVE that is still there.  That's 20% (a small minority) of the original members.  If you can't see the difference, there's nothing I can say that will cease your denial.

It's funny, I know you people are not ignorant enough to not realize that this lineup ISN'T the same band, because you refer to it as the "new" band.  So you refer to it as the NEW BAND or NEW LINEUP, but yet you can't understand what Slash is talking about when HE says that people should be aware of THAT VERY FACT?  Weird.

The problem with your Crue analogy is that at the time Methods of Mayhem and Brides of Destruction were going on, the Crue band was not together.  So, there were no sideprojects going on then.  They just had one project, Brides and MOM.

Nikki Sixx IMMEDIATELY jumped ship back to Motley Crue from Brides of Destruction.  So it was as close to simultaneous as you can get.  One minute he was touring with Brides promoting their album, and the next, a Crue tour was announced.  Nikki very abruptly left Brides to return to Motley, something that pissed off his bandmates (namely Tracii Guns).  And Tommy also has a notorious habit for jumping from project to project very quickly.

And besides, whether it's simultaneous or a side project is really irrelevant.  Just because people know about Velvet Revolver (and Slash being a part of it) still doesn't mean they keep complete tabs on when they're touring and what Slash is doing at that exact moment.  Conceivably, people could've purchased Libertad and then heard about a Guns N Roses tour, and presumed that Slash wasn't doing anything more with VR at that time, and that he'd be back with GNR.

Like I said, just because we surf the net and have down to the minute VR and Axl news doesn't mean the rest of the world bothers with it.

[Ali]

Of course you all agree completely.? The only reason you guys see it that way is because you're fans of Axl and the new band.? Period.? Anybody with an ounce of objectivity can tell you that there is a very distinct difference between touring with THREE members of the original band (as they did during UYI) and having ONE member of the original band present.

During the UYI days, it certainly wasn't a true "original" lineup since Steven and Izzy were gone, but three of the originals were still there.? Touring with three out of five original members is fairly common in the music world.? Generally, people still accept as the same band, because the majority of the original members are still there.

But now, there is ONE original member.? ONE out of FIVE that is still there.? That's 20% (a small minority) of the original members.? If you can't see the difference, there's nothing I can say that will cease your denial.

It's funny, I know you people are not ignorant enough to not realize that this lineup ISN'T the same band, because you refer to it as the "new" band.? So you refer to it as the NEW BAND or NEW LINEUP, but yet you can't understand what Slash is talking about when HE says that people should be aware of THAT VERY FACT?? Weird.

The problem with your Crue analogy is that at the time Methods of Mayhem and Brides of Destruction were going on, the Crue band was not together.? So, there were no sideprojects going on then.? They just had one project, Brides and MOM.

Nikki Sixx IMMEDIATELY jumped ship back to Motley Crue from Brides of Destruction.? So it was as close to simultaneous as you can get.? One minute he was touring with Brides promoting their album, and the next, a Crue tour was announced.? Nikki very abruptly left Brides to return to Motley, something that pissed off his bandmates (namely Tracii Guns).? And Tommy also has a notorious habit for jumping from project to project very quickly.

And besides, whether it's simultaneous or a side project is really irrelevant.? Just because people know about Velvet Revolver (and Slash being a part of it) still doesn't mean they keep complete tabs on when they're touring and what Slash is doing at that exact moment.? Conceivably, people could've purchased Libertad and then heard about a Guns N Roses tour, and presumed that Slash wasn't doing anything more with VR at that time, and that he'd be back with GNR.

Like I said, just because we surf the net and have down to the minute VR and Axl news doesn't mean the rest of the world bothers with it.

No sir.  The reason I see it that way is because I appreciate that Izzy was as important a part of GN'R as Slash.  Of course there is a difference between touring with three members of the original band vs. one.  But that wasn't the point.  You missed that.

The point was the hypocrisy of saying that some greater than normal effort should be made to inform people that Slash and Duff are no longer in the band when no such effort was made when Izzy and Steven were out of the band.  That UYI lineup was a NEW band and no effort beyond the norm was made to inform the public of that.

No references to generalities with other bands will change the hypocrisy in what Slash is saying.  If you are in denial of that, well, you know the rest

Ali

[jarmo]

Of course you all agree completely.  The only reason you guys see it that way is because you're fans of Axl and the new band.  Period.  Anybody with an ounce of objectivity can tell you that there is a very distinct difference between touring with THREE members of the original band (as they did during UYI) and having ONE member of the original band present.

Of course there's a difference.

But some things stay the same.


Besides, it seems like several "GN'R fans" have a different opinion about when GN'R ended for them.

Nobody says it ended when Steven was fired or Izzy left. I wonder why...... Many were happy to call it GN'R as long as Slash was there because he's their idol.





/jarmo

[Fingers]

To me, right now GNR is the new members-it's always been a kind of evolving band-as much as I like Slash, Duff, Izzy, and I like the solo albums, I've always agreed with Axl's vision for GNR-GNR to me now is Axl. Tommy, Robin-the former members have been gone for 10 years now. Get over it.

[Bridge]

Of course there is a difference between touring with three members of the original band vs. one.? But that wasn't the point.? You missed that.

Quite the contrary.? Touring with one original vs three original members is EXACTLY the point.? And there is no hypocrisy on Slash's part, because it's obvious that this is what he means as well.? And your posts just prove my point about you.? You really don't comprehend the difference between having 1/5 of the original band there as opposed to 3/5, even if you say/think you do.? Because if you really did, you'd understand what Slash is saying.? He's making an accurate generalization that the current lineup DOESN'T include original members (Axl notwithstanding).? Conversely, the UYI lineup DID include original members besides Axl, even if it doesn't include all the original members.

And the way this correlates to the publicity thing is very simple.? If fans are ignorant of the GNR lineup and went to an Illusions show, they may be disappointed that Steven and Izzy aren't there, but at least three of the members they know and love still are there.? But if they went to a current show, there's only one there.? You can't see why fans would feel a little jilted at seeing only one there instead of three?? You can't see why fans need to know that?

Besides, it seems like several "GN'R fans" have a different opinion about when GN'R ended for them.

I'd say virtually every GNR fan has a different opinion on that matter.

Nobody says it ended when Steven was fired or Izzy left.

I'm insulted by you calling me a nobody, Jarmo, because that's precisely what I think.? The original members are the only GNR for me.? I didn't truly consider it GNR during the Illusions days, but even so, I am still sensible enough to understand how some people could, since more than half the originals were still there.

the former members have been gone for 10 years now. Get over it.

"Getting over it" is irrelevant to this discussion.

[jarmo]

I'm insulted by you calling me a nobody, Jarmo, because that's precisely what I think.  The original members are the only GNR for me.  I didn't truly consider it GNR during the Illusions days, but even so, I am still sensible enough to understand how some people could, since more than half the originals were still there.

I apologize.

I've just never come across anybody who thought GN'R in 1991 wasn't GN'R.



/jarmo

[Butch Français]

^ Bridge, you're making a whole helluva lot of good points in your posts, and I mostly agree with you
PS, someone will probably soon inform you, based on your view of GNR, how you don't belong here.

[jarmo]

^ Bridge, you're making a whole helluva lot of good points in your posts, and I mostly agree with you
PS, someone will probably soon inform you, based on your view of GNR, how you don't belong here.

You two just stick to the VR section to talk about the STP covers Slash plays these days. 



/jarmo

[Butch Français]

^ Bridge, you're making a whole helluva lot of good points in your posts, and I mostly agree with you
PS, someone will probably soon inform you, based on your view of GNR, how you don't belong here.

You two just stick to the VR section to talk about the STP covers Slash plays these days.



/jarmo

blahblahblah
STP covers or not, any band with Slash in it is always better than...hm...any band without Slash in it!