Formula 1 - 2007 season

[KIKO2K6]

Nice move  did Alonso today Huh ?!


Its the same guy,that was criyng and all that agains Massa on the last race...


I think someone is afraid of a hook A.K.A Halmiton,the bichamp can't handle the english boy.

[jarmo]

Alonso demoted to sixth on grid
Saturday, 04, August, 2007, 22:32


Fernando Alonso has been demoted to sixth on the Hungarian Grand Prix grid after stewards deemed he "unnecessarily impeded" McLaren team-mate Lewis Hamilton in Saturday's qualifying.

Alonso and the team's actions forced Hamilton to wait in the McLaren pit as the pair stacked up prior to their final qualifying runs.

And while the world champion made it back on track in time to snatch pole position, Hamilton missed the cut despite dominating the session until that point.

The 22-year-old was forced to settle for second, but has now been promoted to the front of the grid.

McLaren has also been informed that it will not be eligible to score constructors' championship points in Sunday's race with either car.

Team principal Ron Dennis told reporters after qualifying that the mix-up began because Hamilton didn't follow instructions to allow Alonso past during the fuel-burning phase of Q3, thus throwing the McLarens out of sequence.

Alonso also staunchly defended his actions, arguing that he was simply following the instructions of his engineers who were trying to find him a gap in traffic.

But after reviewing McLaren's radio transmissions and interviewing Dennis, team manager Dave Ryan and both drivers, the stewards said they did not accept either the team's or Alonso's explanations.

"The explanation given by Alonso as to why...he remained in his pit stop position for a further 10 seconds is not accepted," read an official statement released eight and a half hours after qualifying ended.

"The stewards find that he unnecessarily impeded another driver, Hamilton, and as a result he will be penalised by a loss of five grid positions.

"The explanation given by the team as to why they kept Alonso stationary for 20 seconds after completion of his tyre change and therefore delayed Hamilton's own pit stop is not accepted.

"The actions of the team in the final minutes of qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally.

"The penalty to be applied is that such points (if any) in the 2007 Formula 1 constructors' championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix wilt be withdrawn."

Alonso's grid relegation is not appealable but McLaren signalled on Saturday night that it will challenge the forfeiture of constructors' points.

It is the second year running that Alonso has lost places on the Hungarian GP grid at the hands of the stewards.

Last year, while driving for Renault, he started 15th after being penalised for brake-testing another car and overtaking under a yellow flag.





/jarmo

[Ignatius]

Nice move? did Alonso today Huh ?!


Its the same guy,that was criyng and all that agains Massa on the last race...


I think someone is afraid of a hook A.K.A Halmiton,the bichamp can't handle the english boy.

I don't think that's the case.

What Alonso did is not fair play, neither what Massa did last week..nor Hamilton being put back on track last week after he'd gone off due to heavy rain (I don't recall any other driver getting the kind of help). Seems to me there's some more interest in general (FIA, Mclaren...) so that Hamilton wins this championship than Alonso.

[stolat]

It reminds me of a footy match (Australian Rules) that happened yesterday.

Both teams are from Adelaide - Port and The Crows.

Now for some reason the Crows always win.

The commenators are always pushing the Crows and on the field you could actually see the Crows players in groups hassling the Port players.

Now Port Power, happens to have an Aboriginal coach - we call him Chocko!

Hope it's not a racist thing!

My great aunt was telling about what she saw - she's the Captain in the Resistance AK!

[slashBOG]

how come there is not a NASCAR section.. F1 Sucks and it's so boring 

[Pinball Wizard]

how come there is not a NASCAR section.. F1 Sucks and it's so boring 

That sentence makes no sense...try change "F1" to "Nascar" or "IRL"...

But hey, if there's no Nascar's THREAD, why don't you start one?

[KIKO2K6]

how come there is not a NASCAR section.. F1 Sucks and it's so boring?

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ovals sucks monkey balls !

[Shoco]

Nice move  did Alonso today Huh ?!


Its the same guy,that was criyng and all that agains Massa on the last race...


I think someone is afraid of a hook A.K.A Halmiton,the bichamp can't handle the english boy.

I don't think that's the case.

What Alonso did is not fair play, neither what Massa did last week..nor Hamilton being put back on track last week after he'd gone off due to heavy rain (I don't recall any other driver getting the kind of help). Seems to me there's some more interest in general (FIA, Mclaren...) so that Hamilton wins this championship than Alonso.

what did massa do at the last race?? he did nothing wrong that i could see

hamilton was in a dangerous spot so he was allowed help, you cant say he wasnt seen as there was a few other cars in the same gravel trap, but they didnt keep theyr engines running, it happened to schumacher a few years ago when he was stuck on a kerb

what alonso did yesterday was dirty and deserved punishment

[Pinball Wizard]

how come there is not a NASCAR section.. F1 Sucks and it's so boring 

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ovals sucks monkey balls !

And what is the deal with turn only to the left anyway? Try turn the car to the right once in a while! 

The only thing good about Nascar and IRL is the crashes, because a 2 hour race with cars turning only to the left and 300 laps with yellow flags is boring as HELL!

[jarmo]

The McLaren drivers are not exactly pals anymore....

Alonso made some comments today that apparently said he's not sure if he'll stay at McLaren...


It must be a pretty tough situation to be in compared to Renault where his team mate wasn't at his level. Now he's getting his ass kicked by a rookie and suddenly he's not the #1 driver like in the past.

Suddenly things aren't done just to fit his needs.





/jarmo

[Pinball Wizard]

Suddenly things aren't done just to fit his needs.





/jarmo

THAT'S the perfect definition of Fernando Alonso. He's the kind of driver that is only worth of anything when everything is working the way he wants. There are some rumors saying that Flavio Briatori will try to bring him back to Renault. But is 100% sure(just waiting to get officially confirmed) that Piquet Jr. will drive there in 2008, and he's no Fisichella...actually, Piquet Jr. was the guy that were fighting head to head with Lewis on 2006's GP2 season...so, if he goes back to Renault he's going to find a team partner that will not let him have a nice and calm life as the absolute #1...

[Ignatius]

what did massa do at the last race?? he did nothing wrong that i could see

hamilton was in a dangerous spot so he was allowed help, you cant say he wasnt seen as there was a few other cars in the same gravel trap, but they didnt keep theyr engines running, it happened to schumacher a few years ago when he was stuck on a kerb

what alonso did yesterday was dirty and deserved punishment

Dirty, same as what Massa did to Alonso. This is Formula 1 man, not fucking badmington. Drivers do whatever they can to win, do you think they like to be overtaken? do you think they just let the drivers overtake like we normally do when we drive our cars? It's a part of the race. What Massa did was dirty cause he went a bit too far and hit Alonso...but he wasn't punished. What Alonso did was dirty as well, but it's all part of the race itself. Besides, there's (was) nothing on the FIA rules and regulations that punishes what Alonso did on the qualifying...so why are they making such an arbitrary decision of pushing Alonso 5 spots?

The McLaren drivers are not exactly pals anymore....

Alonso made some comments today that apparently said he's not sure if he'll stay at McLaren...


It must be a pretty tough situation to be in compared to Renault where his team mate wasn't at his level. Now he's getting his ass kicked by a rookie and suddenly he's not the #1 driver like in the past.

Suddenly things aren't done just to fit his needs.





/jarmo

Getting his ass kicked by a rookie? I dont think he's getting his ass kicked by anybody. There's only 7 points between the two and if I'm not mistaken, both have won 3 races...where do you see he's getting his ass kicked?

Alonso's desire to leave Mclaren is because he's not getting the treatment a world champion deserves. Hamilton is been with Mclaren for almost a decade now...he's Ron Denis little project. It's obvious, for Maclaren and F1, having a young, black, english driver winning the championship is way better than having Alonso threepeat. Maclaren is english, FIA CEO is english...I mean, there's not really much to say.

Only, and only if both drivers got the same treatment...

[Drew]

Same old story, the winner of the poll wins the race. Imagine that.

[Shoco]

what did massa do at the last race?? he did nothing wrong that i could see

hamilton was in a dangerous spot so he was allowed help, you cant say he wasnt seen as there was a few other cars in the same gravel trap, but they didnt keep theyr engines running, it happened to schumacher a few years ago when he was stuck on a kerb

what alonso did yesterday was dirty and deserved punishment

Dirty, same as what Massa did to Alonso. This is Formula 1 man, not fucking badmington. Drivers do whatever they can to win, do you think they like to be overtaken? do you think they just let the drivers overtake like we normally do when we drive our cars? It's a part of the race. What Massa did was dirty cause he went a bit too far and hit Alonso...but he wasn't punished. What Alonso did was dirty as well, but it's all part of the race itself. Besides, there's (was) nothing on the FIA rules and regulations that punishes what Alonso did on the qualifying...so why are they making such an arbitrary decision of pushing Alonso 5 spots?

thats the thing dude, massa didnt do anything wrong in germany, alonso hit massa as much as massa hit him, there was nothing dirty about it

alonso is just a little bitch that believes his own ego

[Grouse]

I say fuck Hamilton, He acted like a prick and screwed over alonso by disobeying the teams orders so when alonso returned the favor he gets punished and hamilton gets away with it...hmm makes you wonder doesn't it?

[jarmo]

Getting his ass kicked by a rookie? I dont think he's getting his ass kicked by anybody. There's only 7 points between the two and if I'm not mistaken, both have won 3 races...where do you see he's getting his ass kicked?

Alonso's desire to leave Mclaren is because he's not getting the treatment a world champion deserves. Hamilton is been with Mclaren for almost a decade now...he's Ron Denis little project. It's obvious, for Maclaren and F1, having a young, black, english driver winning the championship is way better than having Alonso threepeat. Maclaren is english, FIA CEO is english...I mean, there's not really much to say.

Only, and only if both drivers got the same treatment...

He's gotten his ass kicked by a rookie (or team mate) more in 2007 than he did in 2006.

That's the difference and that's why he's a seven points behind in the championship. This was not the case last year. 


It seems like the last two years at Renault, he got what Michale Schumacher got at Ferrari, a team built around him and his needs.

Now it's not like that anymore. He's suddenly not leading the championship and he's talking about leaving the team when the season isn't even over yet.

As far as I can tell, it's one thing to compete against another driver from another team and something completely different to compete against a team mate who has the same car. Now he doesn't have the whole team working for him in order to beat that red car.... The other half of the team are working for Lewis to beat him!



/jarmo

[slashBOG]

Same old story, the winner of the poll wins the race. Imagine that.

that's the reason why Juan Montoya left F1. All the results are predictable.. whoever gets the poll is the one most likely to win,, Where is the excitement on that? 

[Skeletor]

All the results are predictable.. whoever gets the poll is the one most likely to win,, Where is the excitement on that? 

Well, the excitement is obviously about guessing who'll get the pole

[jarmo]

All the results are predictable.. whoever gets the poll is the one most likely to win,, Where is the excitement on that? 

Well, the excitement is obviously about guessing who'll get the pole

Like in Hungary where the pole position was decided after the qualifying. 



/jarmo

[Ignatius]

He's gotten his ass kicked by a rookie (or team mate) more in 2007 than he did in 2006.

That's the difference and that's why he's a seven points behind in the championship. This was not the case last year.?


It seems like the last two years at Renault, he got what Michale Schumacher got at Ferrari, a team built around him and his needs.

Now it's not like that anymore. He's suddenly not leading the championship and he's talking about leaving the team when the season isn't even over yet.

As far as I can tell, it's one thing to compete against another driver from another team and something completely different to compete against a team mate who has the same car. Now he doesn't have the whole team working for him in order to beat that red car.... The other half of the team are working for Lewis to beat him!



/jarmo

The problem for Alonso is the difference in treatment both drivers are gettign from Mclaren.

You make it sound like Alonso wants to leave cause he is losing when tha's not the case. Alonso's gone a long way to gain the status he currently has, That doesnt mean that the whole team has to evolve around Fernando's figure, but at least give some fucking credit when credit is due. what has Hamilton done? He does whatever he pleases, disobeys team orders, memorizes Alonso's telemetrics and gets treatment as if he was the two time champ. Not too mention, he's got all the FIA pulling a few strings here and there when it's needed.

Mclaren should fine Hamilton for disobeying team orders, but hey, the guy is untouchable... he acts like he's got 7 championships on his belt already..makes me wonder.

I'm just as surprised as everyone else than Hamilton is doing so well. I'm glad Alonso's got some competition at last. Sure this year things are far more interesting than the last two years, that's better for fans, ratings and the show itself.