Formula 1 - 2007 season

[jarmo]

Maybe Alonso should've thought about that when he signed with McLaren?

McLaren has always been known as a team with no #1 driver. For him to expect to be #1, especially considering who his team mate is, is just stupid.

Alonso got a penalty from the F1 people, not McLaren. So it's not surprising Hamilton wasn't punished.

I think what he did was wrong, but I'm not surprised McLaren didn't punish him. What are they supposed to do? Let him start from the pits?



Do you remember when Prost and Senna both were driving for McLaren? That situation was similar to this one....




/jarmo

[Lucky]

Ferrari better get their shit together fast.
I dont want either of these 2 in mclaren winning the championship.

[Ignatius]

Maybe Alonso should've thought about that when he signed with McLaren?

McLaren has always been known as a team with no #1 driver. For him to expect to be #1, especially considering who his team mate is, is just stupid.

Alonso got a penalty from the F1 people, not McLaren. So it's not surprising Hamilton wasn't punished.

I think what he did was wrong, but I'm not surprised McLaren didn't punish him. What are they supposed to do? Let him start from the pits?



Do you remember when Prost and Senna both were driving for McLaren? That situation was similar to this one....




/jarmo

Hamilton disobeyed direct team orders 6 times during qualifying 3. He was supposed to enter the pits before Alonso, but he didnt really bother to obey what he was told. On each and every race, each driver gets to complete one more lap than his teammate and in this case, it was Alonso's turn to complete on extra lap. They've been doing this all year long. Hamilton was told but he didnt want to listen.

McLaren said the delay at the pit-stops in qualifying was Hamilton's fault, for causing confusion in the team by disobeying an order to let Alonso pass him ahead of the pit stops.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/07082007/3/mclaren-tell-f1-driver-alonso-leave.html

I don't really blame Alonso for what he did now. No wonder why he did it...why can the little kid get away with everything he wants and not follow the rules? That is what is driving Alonso mad. The rules are for everyone to follow - including the untouchable rookie.

Moreover, apperantly Hamilton told Denis to Fuck OFF when Alonso made him wait in the pits. Radio conversation's have been filtered and spanish newspaper "El Pa?s" describes the nature of the conversation. I'll try to find more on this later...

About Senna and Prost, I do remember somehing similar happened and indeed proved, that Maclaren is a team with no #1 driver, but if I'm not mistaken, when that feud occurred, both drivers had already won championships. The ego fight was expected. But now? What has Hamilton done? He's a rookie and wants to get a superstar treatment.


Edit.- Link provided above.

[jarmo]

The fact that he's a rookie doesn't mean anything.

He's paid to drive and win races, just like Alonso is.


I'm not defending his shitty actions when he didn't obey team orders, but at the same time, it's interesting to see Alonso finally being put to a test.



/jarmo

[Tynia]

I say fuck Hamilton, He acted like a prick and screwed over alonso by disobeying the teams orders so when alonso returned the favor he gets punished and hamilton gets away with it...hmm makes you wonder doesn't it?

Yeah, you're right Grouse.? But FIAmilton? is probably already a champion, no matter that there are still 6 races to go?
If something, both of them should be punished and not only Alonso? Also the penalty for the team in constructor standings was odd... Maybe it was a kind of "offal" for Ferrari after the spy case? But still we have to wait till 13th of September for the final verdict.

Hamilton is been with Mclaren for almost a decade now...he's Ron Denis little project. It's obvious, for Maclaren and F1, having a young, black, english driver winning the championship is way better than having Alonso threepeat. Maclaren is english, FIA CEO is english...I mean, there's not really much to say.

I don't believe any miracle could change that. It's too much POLITICS in it.?
What is dangerous, that they breed that way another untouchable Schumacher?

And that guy is still a little child inside:

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/08/06/hamilton-alonso-not-talking-to-me/

Some humility is recomended to this youngster?

And all of that should be their team's internal thing to deal with and they do it opossite way: everyone can witness it in public?

He's gotten his ass kicked by a rookie (or team mate) more in 2007 than he did in 2006.

Take a correction on that Alonso (as well as Kubica) had to change this year their agressive style of driving because of the Bridgestone tyres


And how not to like the guy, I mean Kubica? when he coments like this after GP Hungary:

"It was tough on the first 10 laps, as I was on the uesd tyres. But afterwards it was cool" (he used in Polish: "gites" - which means cool, but it's used in a funny, slang way? )

- On start you managed to overtake World's Champion, Alonso.

"Start was good, but I had used tyres. They started to peel off quickly and I had to clean them from granules on the track and Alonso "swallowed" me, as if I was in a waggon-driving"?

Did you feel like a hero? Tribunes were white and red. [30k Polish fans attended the Hungaroring]

"It was great. But I'm not any hero. I'm just a driver"? ?

http://www.dziennik.pl/Default.aspx?TabId=280&ShowArticleId=55577

In Hungarian: Kubica bajnok!!!?

What is cool after having Robert in F1 just for 1 year:
We're getting three F1 events in Poland this year. Renault F1 Road Show took place in Warsaw in June

http://www.renault.f1roadshow.pl/roadshow/

Now on the 15th of August RedBull is bringing their 3D Race to Cracov - home town of Kubica (what a strategic move? )
http://www.redbull.pl/#page=ArticlePage.1185897199722-87947211

And on the weekend 17-19 of August BMW Sauber is bringing their Pit Lane Park to Warsaw?

http://www.pit-lane-park.pl/

[stolat]

Wow Tynia! Is this the first year that Poland has been treated to 3 events?

[Tynia]

Wow Tynia! Is this the first year that Poland has been treated to 3 events?

The sad truth is: yes, the first time? But in our country there wasn't big intrest in F1 throughout the years. Now we have Robert in BMW Sauber team, so this sport is getting much more attention from media and casual fans 

I know that not so long ago there was a short visit by Michael Schumacher in Poznan and prolly some other drivers visited our country, but it's the first time they're bringing the F1 cars and are gonna use them on the streets (bridges to be more specific)? ? ?

[KIKO2K6]

Nice race.

Hat trick Massa ! 

[Lucky]

well, mclaren has been fined with 100 mil$... and stripped of all the constructor points.
Hamilton&Alonso suffered no penalty.


it's likely ferrari will completely stop developing the 2007 model... and shift all resources to the 2008 car... since there's no chance for Massa and Kimmi to win the championchip, and constructor position is guaranteed.

hopefully, next year massa will have a better season.

[Genesis]

well, mclaren has been fined with 100 mil$... and stripped of all the constructor points.

That's a little extreme, if you ask me. Especially since it hasn't been proven that McLaren actually used the information in the Ferrari dossier.

[Genesis]

McLaren exposed by spy evidence

By Andrew Benson
BBC Sport

McLaren received a systematic flow of information from a spy within rivals Ferrari for nearly three months this year, the FIA has revealed.

Drivers Fernando Alonso and Pedro de la Rosa were aware of the information.

It was the possession of this "highly sensitive" data that led the FIA to fine McLaren ?49.2m and deduct their constructors' championship points.

The information came to McLaren chief designer Mike Coughlan from Ferrari chief mechanic Nigel Stepney.

The data McLaren received over the three-month period concerned the Ferrari car's brakes, weight distribution, aerodynamic balance and tyre inflation.

In a 16-page document, the FIA said e-mails showed that test driver De la Rosa and reigning world champion Alonso had been aware of the Ferrari data.

   
All the information from Ferrari is very reliable

Pedro de la Rosa in an e-mail to Fernando Alonso on 25 March

"The emails show unequivocally that both Mr Alonso and Mr de la Rosa received confidential Ferrari information via Mike Coughlan.

"Both drivers knew that this information was confidential Ferrari information and that both knew that the information was being received by Coughlan from Nigel Stepney," the report states.

In what is being viewed as the most damning section of the report, the FIA has published an e-mail exchange between De la Rosa and Alonso.

"All the information from Ferrari is very reliable," De la Rosa wrote to Alonso on 25 March in an exchange about the Ferrari's weight distribution.

"It comes from Nigel Stepney, their former chief mechanic - I don't know what post he holds now.

"He's the same person who told us in Australia that Kimi (Raikkonen) was stopping in lap 18. He's very friendly with Mike Coughlan, our chief designer and he told him that."

These are the main points raised in the statement on the FIA website:

    *
      Coughlan had more information than previously appreciated

    *
      Information included sensitive technical information and sporting strategy

    *
      De la Rosa requested and received secret Ferrari data

    *
      The information was shared with Alonso

    *
      Intention by McLaren personnel to use data in their own testing

McLaren has refused to comment on the FIA's revelations, published on the eve of the Belgian Grand Prix in Spa.

The extent of the information Coughlan received about the Ferrari goes far beyond what was revealed at a first meeting of the FIA's world motorsport council in July.

At that time, the FIA decided not to punish McLaren because there was no proof the information had been used "in such a way as to interfere with the running of the FIA F1 world championship".

But the new evidence persuaded the world council to change its verdict at Thursday's meeting.

De la Rosa revealed plans to test Ferrari's weight distribution in McLaren's simulator, plans that were later abandoned.


It was revealed that Alonso agreed it was "very important" that McLaren tried out the gas Ferrari were using to inflate their car's tyres.

It also emerged that De la Rosa had asked Coughlan for specific details of Ferrari's braking system, and that the designer revealed to the test driver "we are looking at something similar".

The document appears to explode the view that this was only a case of two rogue employees using the information to find better jobs at other teams, and that the confidential information had not been circulated within McLaren, as the team contended at the first world council meeting.

The world council said it had decided to inflict such a heavy punishment on McLaren because "there was an intention on the part of a number of McLaren personnel to use some of the Ferrari confidential information in its own testing".

It added: "The evidence leads the WMSC to conclude that some degree of sporting advantage was obtained, though it may forever be impossible to quantify that advantage in concrete terms."

Alonso and team-mate Lewis Hamilton were not punished in the drivers' championship because "primary responsibility lies with McLaren, and also because McLaren's drivers were offered individual sanction" for telling the world council what they knew.


Now the mofo's fucking deserve it.

[elmir]

holding thumbs for Kimi this afternoon.....its time now for him to teach them all a lesson......enough fucking around.....

[Grouse]

Wow what a crazy race, THE best race I've seen in a long time!

[KIKO2K6]

Best  race of the year !



ShuMassa on !


Massa X Kubica on board camera a must see for a F1 fanatic! ---------> http://www.youtube.com/v/JuxOv2kvjA4

[Drew]

Very cool video! That is some wild racing! I am so mad at myself I didn't watch the race today.

Thanks KIKO2K6. 

[Drew]

Scratch that! I see it's on replay right now!!! 

[Grouse]

^^I hope you catch all of it, 'cause it was one of the most bizarre races I've ever seen...

[Drew]

^^I hope you catch all of it, 'cause it was one of the most bizarre races I've ever seen...

Yeah...it was a good, wild race and was happy I caught the replay. 

[jarmo]

Great win for Kimi.

Fifth of the season.


McLaren keeps a car on the track for too long and it results in a DNF. Sounds familiar.....

Kimi at Nurburgring 2005.



/jarmo

[GypsySoul]

HAMILTON MAY BE PENALIZED
By TALES AZZONI, AP

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10202007/sports/hamilton_may_be_penalized.htm

October 20, 2007 -- SAO PAULO, Brazil - Lewis Hamilton, fastest in yesterday's practice ahead of the decisive Brazilian Grand Prix, was in danger of being penalized for illegally using a set of tires.
The McLaren driver, trying to become the first rookie to win the title and the youngest F1 champion, was among three drivers facing penalties for using two sets of wet tires during the first practice session in Interlagos.

Hamilton clocked 1 minute, 12.767 seconds in the afternoon session at the 2.6-mile counter-clock track, .122 faster than second-place Alonso and .345 faster than fourth-place Raikkonen. Felipe Massa, last year's Brazilian GP winner with Ferrari, was third.

FIA officials were meeting to decide whether the drivers would be penalized, but the governing body did not immediately say what kind of penalties they were facing, if any. Among possible penalties in such cases was the loss of 10 starting positions.

Hamilton leads teammate Fernando Alonso by four points and Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen by seven.

Alonso said he wasn't too familiar with the regulation.

"I don't think we were totally aware of this rule," Alonso said.