Velvet Revolver--album #3

[darth monkey]

You can like a band and hate someone in the band cause you think he/she is an asshole. I like a band for the music and not personalities.

[jarmo]

You can like a band and hate someone in the band cause you think he/she is an asshole. I like a band for the music and not personalities.

Sure.

What a waste. You hate somebody who you never met based on the public image of that person while you enjoy the art he/she created.

If the person in question was different, don't you think the artistic output would be different too?




/jarmo

[JuicySwoos]

I can't stand their front man.

So it's kinda hard to "like" them when I think the singer is overrated and his whole act is a fucking pose.



/jarmo

Thats EXACTLY how I feel about the band. Wieland ruins it for me, both musically and as a frontman.  Its unfortunate because Slash and Duff still kick ass.

[darkdays_01]

I would like to have an album full of more songs like "Let It Roll". Straight ahead rock with a ton of Slash riffing and, as I had already hoped for with album numero 2, way more solos. And alot more Duff. He is kind of absent on a lot of Libertad. Doesn't play bad at all, but doesn't stand out anywhere particuarly. And maybe have him sing something too. I would love it if VR had a song like "Good News" from the Neurotic Outsiders on the next album with Duff singing.

Totally agree with you about Duff, although his playing on Libertad is killer.  Why in the hell didnt NO take off ? That was a good band, i am just glad i seen them live.

[darth monkey]

All that I'm saying is that you don't have to like somebody to admire what they've created.

[jemin]

You can like a band and hate someone in the band cause you think he/she is an asshole. I like a band for the music and not personalities.

Sure.

What a waste. You hate somebody who you never met based on the public image of that person while you enjoy the art he/she created.

If the person in question was different, don't you think the artistic output would be different too?




/jarmo

Wait!? What?

So this is different then?

I thought a few songs on Contraband were good when it came out, but overall I thought the album lacked focus.

I can't stand their front man.

So it's kinda hard to "like" them when I think the singer is overrated and his whole act is a fucking pose.



/jarmo

I know you used the words "can't stand"? and not "hate"? but in this context his "hate" has the same meaning as your "can't stand" I believe.

[jarmo]

I know you used the words "can't stand"  and not "hate"  but in this context his "hate" has the same meaning as your "can't stand" I believe.

No, I can't stand his live performances (part of the music), his voice sucks (music) or his lyrics (music).

The fact that he seems to be full of himself is a whole other thing.





/jarmo

[chinese democrazy]

While we are throwing out opinions, I think his voice is amazing and I love his more subjective open-ended lyrics.  About the full of himself part, I don't know but fronting to successful rock bands might do that to you, so you're probably right.

[darth monkey]

I hate Fred Durst, but like some of his music. I'm not too crazy about some of the things that Scott and Axl have done and said, but I like almost all of their music. None of these people are Gods or deserve to be any different than us. They have a talent, I enjoy their talent and like listening to their music, it has nothing to do with having to like the person.

[jarmo]

I hate Fred Durst, but like some of his music. I'm not too crazy about some of the things that Scott and Axl have done and said, but I like almost all of their music. None of these people are Gods or deserve to be any different than us. They have a talent, I enjoy their talent and like listening to their music, it has nothing to do with having to like the person.

And how do you explain his idea of GN'R fans being different from rock fans? 

You're trying to defend his point that you should be welcome to a GN'R site when you don't even like GN'R anymore.



I believe his whole "point" was that GN'R fans and "rock fans" are fans of the old band while Axl fans are fans of the new band.


I don't know how many times I've said this, but apparently it needs repeating, if you come here to post negative shit about (the current) Guns N' Roses, you're on the wrong fucking site.




/jarmo

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

If there is a third album, it will be more like Contraband.

Hopefully they won't bow to pressures from the record label when making this album.

I'm not sure what you mean by that? Because anyone in the music industry will tell you that the label would have wanted a record like Contraband as the second album, seeing as how Contraband sold so well.? Why do you think SBQM was the first single?? The record label beleives VR's was because Contraband was a mass-appealing album and probably demanded or preferred the same record again.? But obviously no musician with any respect for himself wants to repeat themselves on the next album, but be more creative and try different things.

I mean, that maybe they won't listen to RCA and put out a WEAK first single like they did with SBQM.

Maybe Slash can try and work a bit harder instead of having Clive fucking Davis come in and give him some direction with his solo's.

They might not go in such a "diverse" direction and just put out a straight ahead rock album like CB.? Maybe they can achieve gold that way....

dont you mean platinum?

but yeah, clive fuckin davis. SBQM didnt have a solo on it until Clive wanted one. He probably wanted one on every song, made tht band change arrangements here and their. Fuck him if he did.

No dude, I mean gold.  Have you seen the numbers for Libertad?

[darth monkey]

So you're only allowed to come here if you're gonna suck Axl's cock? Common man, that's not freedom of speech or expression.

[jarmo]

So you're only allowed to come here if you're gonna suck Axl's cock? Common man, that's not freedom of speech or expression.

How surprising that you have to be immature about it.

Freedom of speech?

How many times have I heard about that?

This message board isn't some kind of birth right you know.

Our house, our rules.

I'm pretty sure porn isn't illegal in many places, that doesn't mean I want it posted here.


All you so called GN'R fans who like to put down the band use the "freedom of speech" excuse.




/jarmo

[darth monkey]

Well I think it is idiotic that you have to idolize one person in a band that has been around for over twenty years!!! GNR is a band, it is not one frickin' member. If that was the case the band would be called Axl Rose. You are right, you would hope the people that visit here do like GNR in some shape or form, but people should be allowed to say they prefer the old (or new lineup) better and be allowed to express their opinion, at one time it used to be that way. However it now seems like you want this board more and more to reflect your thoughts and opinions and anyone who expresses something different is wrong or an asshole or a trouble-maker, or a VR fan.

If that is what you really want you should ban everyone and have chats with yourself all day long. That would probably acomplish what you're trying to do here for the last year or so.

[NicoRourke]

I'm not saying he's right, but he does have a point. Some people here think GNR is Axl, which it isn't. It's a band. But their loyalty is to one person and one person only. And there are a few of those flamers here, especially some of the people that are in the VR section just to bash VR cause they think that's what Axl wants. I think his post was dedicated to those poor misguided souls.

Fuck that shit.

I bash VR because I think they are washed up poseurs, and the albums sucks, specially the new one.

And I'm not here for them, not at all. I'm here for GN'R. The long gone one too but it's evident that I'm here because of the GN'R that was kicking ass the past couple of years.

If you think that there is people here that bash VR just to please Axl Rose then you must be crazy.

[jarmo]

However it now seems like you want this board more and more to reflect your thoughts and opinions and anyone who expresses something different is wrong or an asshole or a trouble-maker, or a VR fan.

You're so clueless it's not even funny.

I don't want a site where bashing the CURRENT band is the norm, where people like you are considered the norm and where people do nothing but focus on the past.

This isn't a nostalgia board. I could've understood how you only wanted to talk about what the old band had done a few years ago when there were no tours or appearances happening. But things have changed.



For your information, I'm not the only fan who thinks that way.

Just because you can't seem to fucking get it doesn't mean nobody else can.




/jarmo

[darth monkey]

There is nothing wrong with having Axl Rose obsessed fans like you and NicoRourke on this site that love the new band, infact I welcome people like you (although I seriously question how you two shits can call me clueless when I can outwit and out-debate either of you in my sleep). However that is another story. What I am saying is that it would be a very boring and stagnant board if everyone shared the same opinions as you two. It is nice to have a mix of people that like both the classic GNR line-up and this new lineup. As far as I can tell a GNR board would welcome both fans, if not the name should be changed to reflect GNR 2000 or something along those lines. Like I said before it is your board and your choice. I'm merely expressing my opinions and trying to keep you somewhat honest.

As for NicoRourke (and others) and the VR bashing well I don't really know what your motive is. You like any other individual are allowed not to like VR or their new album, but at the same time should realize your opion is YOUR opinion and other may have a different one and you should respect that. If memory serves me correct, VR has recorded and released about 30 some songs and played I don't know how many shows? How does this compare to the track record of the current GNR regime? Now who are the poseurs? I'm not going to pick a fight over this cause I am anxiously awaiting their album, but dude common at least think before you say something. They aren't pretending to do anything they are releasing music. Whether you like it or not that is for each and every individual to decide.

[NicoRourke]

There is nothing wrong with having Axl Rose obsessed fans like you and NicoRourke on this site that love the new band

I'm speaking for myself. I'm not an Axl obsessed fan, I'm a GN'R fan. And we are in 2007, so It seems logical that if Jarmo is running this place and if I'm registered here it's because of our love and support for the band. The whole band. Yeah, I admire Axl Rose for what he is, what he does he the way he's conducting things. And of course he is the connexion between all the era's. He's the driving force.

As for NicoRourke (and others) and the VR bashing well I don't really know what your motive is. You like any other individual are allowed not to like VR or their new album, but at the same time should realize your opion is YOUR opinion and other may have a different one and you should respect that.

Where was I disrespectfull ? I respect everybody's opinion. That doesn't mean I have to agree or hide mine.

infact I welcome people like you (although I seriously question how you two shits can call me clueless when I can outwit and out-debate either of you in my sleep)

Amazing, you welcome Jarmo in his own ouse.

And am I dreaming or you're insulting us in that last sentence ? Anyway, I'm glad you think of me when you sleep

[jarmo]

There is nothing wrong with having Axl Rose obsessed fans like you and NicoRourke on this site that love the new band, infact I welcome people like you (although I seriously question how you two shits can call me clueless when I can outwit and out-debate either of you in my sleep).

I'm so happy that you're so fucking clever and modest.

Too bad you are clueless about what this site is about. You've already proven that. So keep "outwitting" us.

Who said anything about being obsessed?

However that is another story. What I am saying is that it would be a very boring and stagnant board if everyone shared the same opinions as you two. It is nice to have a mix of people that like both the classic GNR line-up and this new lineup. As far as I can tell a GNR board would welcome both fans, if not the name should be changed to reflect GNR 2000 or something along those lines. Like I said before it is your board and your choice. I'm merely expressing my opinions and trying to keep you somewhat honest.

As I said, clueless.

Nowhere did I think everybody must share my opinion. I'm pretty sure not all people here like the same songs I like or think like me.

All I've asked for is for people to understand one simple fucking thing: If you come to this site, we make no difference between GN'R in 1985 or GN'R in 2007.

If you support GN'R, you're welcome.

If you only like GN'R that existed between 1985 and 1990 or something like that, think about what exactly you're doing. Because I, and many with me, don't need to hear your "it's not GN'R", "it's never coming out" or "Axl sucks" opinions. I'm sure there are plenty of other sites where those kinds of opinions are welcome and maybe even encouraged (all in the name of freedom of speech of course).

My idea of a fan site isn't one dedicated to bringing fans down or bashing the band you claim to like.

We already have newspapers, magazines, blogs and TV for that.



/jarmo

[darth monkey]

Well first of all lets get this straight, I have never bashed GNR, I do prefer the old lineup of GNR and I have said this many times. I've also said before what drew me to GNR was not Axl but the instruments behind GNR. That being said, doesn't mean I don't like Axl. I think he is one of the best performers and vocalists ever, however I loved the blues based style of GNR. Within the current lineup, of the material we have heard thus far that isn't one of the central elements of their music anymore, so naturally I prefer the music that came from the lineup that was more true to the reason I began liking GNR. There is a different between the two lineup and that is pretty obvious, I don't think you can not honestly say there isn't one that does exist. Even if GNR had stayed true with the current lineup I would have said the same thing. It's not the fact that the musicians have changed but that the style of music has. Alot of people were initial a little upset when they first heard the accoustic half of GNR Lies and that was the same band that released AFD. I didn't agree with them, but they are allowed to say that, just as fans now may not be totally in favor of the change in musical direction that is presently occuring. I have never said I don't like Axl (I don't regard him with God-like status though), nor have I ever said that the new album will not come out, so please do a little research before you put words in my mouth.

I am a GNR fan (and a VR fan) and a fan of other bands as well. I have gone to see the current lineup of GNR in concert, I will be buying the new album, and will support the band. I am one of those people that did like the previous lineup of the band better, yes that is true. However, I may have liked the old music better anyways even if GNR had kept the same lineup depending on what type of music they had decided to create. I'm sure different people prefer different GNR albums. Because someone prefers AFD more than UYI does that make them less of a GNR fan? Does that mean they hate GNR...no.

What I don't like about the board currently, is that there seems to be a need to walk the party line, to not say anything that could be in some way possible interpreted as anit-GNR, and that also includes appearently liking other kinds of music and especially VR, cause if you like VR you don't like the current GNR. So now we need to trash VR, and post in the VR section because well VR fans are evil and they hate GNR and they shouldn't exist but I'll keep the section of the board up and we'll trash VR and if we do it enough they might start to hate VR as well and become only GNR fans. I'm just assuming that is your logic, whether that is true or not I don't know. I would certainly hope not. But why don't I ask you. There isn't a better person to ask that the person themselves. Why is it you have a VR section to this board and you frequently vist and post on it. You post material that one could make a strong case for that it should be classified as hate material. As a true GNR fan of all lineups and music; past, present, and future...what do you get out of coming here almost everyday and stating you hate VR and their music? I think we all know your opinion, nothing has really changed for quite sometime on that front. And it isn't like it happens in one of the topics, if you look at this section of the board your name (and a few others) will appear in almost every topic and you will trash VR, or Scott, or Slash and in the end every fucking thread turns into one of these where you have an argument with some member about VR vs GNR and/or the old line-up vs the new line-up. Maybe we should have a section specifically for that, we could call it "stupid fucking arguments"