How's VR attendance

[Jim Bob]

in the end we all know that the only "cool" thing about a VR show are the covers..

in the end we all know that the only "cool" thing about a VR show are the STONE TEMPLE PILOTS covers..

What?!! You don't like Guns N' Roses songs?
Tsk,Tsk.

with Weiland on vocals?

no, thanks.

agreed.  he just doesn't have the pipes for the material.   he should sing stuff like Interstate Love Song.

[Genesis]

in the end we all know that the only "cool" thing about a VR show are the covers..

in the end we all know that the only "cool" thing about a VR show are the STONE TEMPLE PILOTS covers..

What?!! You don't like Guns N' Roses songs?
Tsk,Tsk.

with Weiland on vocals?

no, thanks.

Point noted.

[holtzmn73]

From most accounts it seems as though this VR tour is playing to around the same average numbers GNR did in '06, fair to say?

If that's the case give or take a few, why is one successful and the other not?

From all the reviews I've read and judging from the show I saw, VR is selling a few thousand less than Axl did on average per show. Taking into account that GNR tix were more expensive and that VR just released an album, selling a couple thousand less is a pretty bad failure IMO.

[Jim Bob]

From most accounts it seems as though this VR tour is playing to around the same average numbers GNR did in '06, fair to say?

If that's the case give or take a few, why is one successful and the other not?

From all the reviews I've read and judging from the show I saw, VR is selling a few thousand less than Axl did on average per show. Taking into account that GNR tix were more expensive and that VR just released an album, selling a couple thousand less is a pretty bad failure IMO.

and VR is touring with Alice in fucking Chains to boot.

[darth monkey]

GNR is touring with the GNR name, that is a huge fucking difference. They're getting fans from their old material. They haven't released anything to merit their own fan base. This is a stupid argument. There is a huge difference in fanbase for a band that has been around since 1985 to one that has been around since 2003. Lets get back to VR.

[Ines_rocks!]

Il will tell you why he despises the band now , he is part of the "Big Machine" and he now is one of the yes men to good old Axl. That's why.

It can't be because the music isn't good enough. Noooooo...... That's impossible. Everybody loves bland boring music with shitty lyrics and a singer with a boring voice.

As long as it's dangerous rock n' roll! 

/jarmo

Yay! VR bashing again! I thought it was taking too long. It?s kinda funny cos supposedly, according to the GnR fans this thread should be full of VR fans bashing Gn?R which in 7 pages did not occur. But alright...    That?s what the purpose of this section is right? Trashing the band... well at least you guys have some fun doing it. Well done. 

You really need to get a clue.

The guy was posting total bullshit lies about me and you attack me.


That makes sense.

How about I make shit about you?





/jarmo

Lol Fair enough. This thread has turned into an arena fight anyway... No... actually it has turned into a "who sells more? GnR or VR?" thread which seems just like what you wanted since your first posts in here.

Concerned to that... I?m not surprised to see that GnR sold more seats that VR this year. GnR will always be one of the greatest rock n roll bands ever... they?re huge all around the world. And although I know many people go see their shows thinking Slash will be there, Axl+GnR name+GnR hits= many tickets sold. What?s the surprise in there? Big deal...

VR are more of a Audioslave type of band... although they?re very successful they will never reach the same success as their previous bands. That?s quite easy to see.

Anyway... I?m done with this "topic"... quite boring anyway...

[JimBobTTD]

Some of you guys are scary. I mean your obsessions seem to be on the same level as Mark Chapman (who murdered John Lennon) and Nathan Gale (who murdered Dimebag).

[jarmo]

From most accounts it seems as though this VR tour is playing to around the same average numbers GNR did in '06, fair to say?

If that's the case give or take a few, why is one successful and the other not?

Didn't I already answer this?





/jarmo

[Rocker_GNR]

in the end we all know that the only "cool" thing about a VR show are the covers..
and im not the only one saying it.. most of professional reviews say it
is very easy to understand whty they are not selling tickets..

I enjoy every song in the Velvet Revolver's show, obviously I enjoy more the Guns n' Roses covers due to I am a GN'R fan and to see Slash and Duff performing GNR songs is unpayable, but I really like and enjoy every songs from Contraband and Libertad too and I am not the only one say it...

Perhaps, the VR covers are the most attractive in the shows, but is the same case in New Guns n' Roses, its sold out is due to the classics songs, It is evident the most of people don't know or cares the new leaks, they only want to hear November Rain, Scom, Paradise city, etc...

In short it is same thing in both bands, just change the name of the band, but I enjoy theirs new songs (The Blues, Madagascar/ Slither, Fall to pieces) and the classics songs that I love (Nightrain, November Rain/ Patience, Mr, Brownstone, etc...)

[Smoking Guns]

The 2006 or 2002 GNR tours were not successful unless it was a huge market like LA, Chicago, or NYC.  In Detroit, it is a fact, VR got a larger crowd in 2004 than GNR did in 2002. 

Guns N Roses is one of the Biggest Rock Bands EVER from the US!  Yet, Poison avereged more ticket sales than the 2006 tour at smaller markets.  That is amazing Poison tours better than GNR, don't you think?  This is just a bad couple of years for rock shows. 

[estebanf]

in the end we all know that the only "cool" thing about a VR show are the covers..
and im not the only one saying it.. most of professional reviews say it
is very easy to understand whty they are not selling tickets..

Perhaps, the VR covers are the most attractive in the shows, but is the same case in New Guns n' Roses, its sold out is due to the classics songs, It is evident the most of people don't know or cares the new leaks, they only want to hear November Rain, Scom, Paradise city, etc...

You're very confused.

It doesn't matter how Guns N' Roses sell out: they're selling out arenas with their own songs.

You need to understand for once in your life that ''November Rain'', ''Welcome To The Jungle'', ''The Blues'' and ''Better'' are ALL OF THEM Guns N' Roses song. You can whin and cry all you want, but that's how things are and your resentment wont change a thing.

And how can you say ''it's evident most of the people dont care about the new songs'' if you've never went to a Guns N' Roses concert? How do you know what people wants? Do you know what I want?

The only purpose of your post was suggesting that this band is not Guns N' Roses, and that this band sells out just because they ''play GNR covers'', am I right?

Newsflash for you: this is not the proper place for you. Go to the fucking Velvet Revolver forum and there you'll have a nice play to say ''New GNR''. Hurry up... join the VR board while there's still a contract between VR and RCA.

[jarmo]

The 2006 or 2002 GNR tours were not successful unless it was a huge market like LA, Chicago, or NYC.  In Detroit, it is a fact, VR got a larger crowd in 2004 than GNR did in 2002. 

And VR in 2004 compared to 2007?



/jarmo

[Rocker_GNR]

The 2006 or 2002 GNR tours were not successful unless it was a huge market like LA, Chicago, or NYC.? In Detroit, it is a fact, VR got a larger crowd in 2004 than GNR did in 2002.?

And VR in 2004 compared to 2007?



/jarmo

Jarmo, Why you insist in make a competition of this...

[chinese democrazy]

in the end we all know that the only "cool" thing about a VR show are the covers..
and im not the only one saying it.. most of professional reviews say it
is very easy to understand whty they are not selling tickets..

Perhaps, the VR covers are the most attractive in the shows, but is the same case in New Guns n' Roses, its sold out is due to the classics songs, It is evident the most of people don't know or cares the new leaks, they only want to hear November Rain, Scom, Paradise city, etc...

You're very confused.

It doesn't matter how Guns N' Roses sell out: they're selling out arenas with their own songs.

You need to understand for once in your life that ''November Rain'', ''Welcome To The Jungle'', ''The Blues'' and ''Better'' are ALL OF THEM Guns N' Roses song. You can whin and cry all you want, but that's how things are and your resentment wont change a thing.

And how can you say ''it's evident most of the people dont care about the new songs'' if you've never went to a Guns N' Roses concert? How do you know what people wants? Do you know what I want?

The only purpose of your post was suggesting that this band is not Guns N' Roses, and that this band sells out just because they ''play GNR covers'', am I right?

Newsflash for you: this is not the proper place for you. Go to the fucking Velvet Revolver forum and there you'll have a nice play to say ''New GNR''. Hurry up... join the VR board while there's still a contract between VR and RCA.

Oh c'mon man, take a few breaths and relax a little, and while you're at it reevaluate what he said and what you're saying. ?Your perspective is severely jarred if you believe the new songs have anything but the most minimal impact on ticket sales. That is not an attack on the new material, as I like the new songs.

[darth monkey]

That's exactly right, GNR is NOT selling tickets based on it's new material. It is selling based on the legacy that Axl, Izzy, Duff, Matt, and Slash have created for the band. It is hard to build a fanbase than to cater to one that has already existed. Why is this argument continuing?

[Ines_rocks!]

Why is this argument continuing?

Good question...

[jarmo]

The 2006 or 2002 GNR tours were not successful unless it was a huge market like LA, Chicago, or NYC.  In Detroit, it is a fact, VR got a larger crowd in 2004 than GNR did in 2002. 

And VR in 2004 compared to 2007?



/jarmo

Jarmo, Why you insist in make a competition of this...

So you don't think comparing VR's ticket sales in Detroit in 2004 to 2007 is interesting, but comparing the 2004 ticket sales to GN'R's 2002 ticket sales is?

Weird.

That's exactly right, GNR is NOT selling tickets based on it's new material. It is selling based on the legacy that Axl, Izzy, Duff, Matt, and Slash have created for the band. It is hard to build a fanbase than to cater to one that has already existed. Why is this argument continuing?

How come you left out Dizzy, Gilby and Steven?

Is it because Dizzy is still in the band and none of them are in VR?



/jarmo

[Jim Bob]

That's exactly right, GNR is NOT selling tickets based on it's new material. It is selling based on the legacy that Axl, Izzy, Duff, Matt, and Slash have created for the band. It is hard to build a fanbase than to cater to one that has already existed. Why is this argument continuing?

How come you left out Dizzy, Gilby and Steven?

Is it because Dizzy is still in the band and none of them are in VR?



/jarmo

and lets not forget Ted Zig Zag

[RageNirvanaNIN]

The 2006 or 2002 GNR tours were not successful unless it was a huge market like LA, Chicago, or NYC.  In Detroit, it is a fact, VR got a larger crowd in 2004 than GNR did in 2002. 

And VR in 2004 compared to 2007?



/jarmo

Jarmo, Why you insist in make a competition of this...

So you don't think comparing VR's ticket sales in Detroit in 2004 to 2007 is interesting, but comparing the 2004 ticket sales to GN'R's 2002 ticket sales is?

Weird.

That's exactly right, GNR is NOT selling tickets based on it's new material. It is selling based on the legacy that Axl, Izzy, Duff, Matt, and Slash have created for the band. It is hard to build a fanbase than to cater to one that has already existed. Why is this argument continuing?

How come you left out Dizzy, Gilby and Steven?

Is it because Dizzy is still in the band and none of them are in VR?



/jarmo

We are talking about VR and GNR ( thanks to you ) so of course he is going to say slash , duff and matt those are the people being discussed.

[jarmo]

The 2006 or 2002 GNR tours were not successful unless it was a huge market like LA, Chicago, or NYC.  In Detroit, it is a fact, VR got a larger crowd in 2004 than GNR did in 2002. 

And VR in 2004 compared to 2007?



/jarmo

Jarmo, Why you insist in make a competition of this...

So you don't think comparing VR's ticket sales in Detroit in 2004 to 2007 is interesting, but comparing the 2004 ticket sales to GN'R's 2002 ticket sales is?

Weird.

That's exactly right, GNR is NOT selling tickets based on it's new material. It is selling based on the legacy that Axl, Izzy, Duff, Matt, and Slash have created for the band. It is hard to build a fanbase than to cater to one that has already existed. Why is this argument continuing?

How come you left out Dizzy, Gilby and Steven?

Is it because Dizzy is still in the band and none of them are in VR?



/jarmo

We are talking about VR and GNR ( thanks to you ) so of course he is going to say slash , duff and matt those are the people being discussed.

Why is Izzy mentioned then? He's not in GN'R or VR.

Explain.




/jarmo