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« on: August 27, 2007, 10:02:14 AM »

Another one bites the dust.....

CRAWFORD, Texas - Attorney General Alberto Gonzales resigned, officials said Monday, ending a monthslong standoff with critics who questioned his honesty and competence at the helm of the Justice Department.

Republicans and Democrats alike had demanded his resignation over the botched handling of FBI terror investigations and the firings of U.S. attorneys, but President Bush had defiantly stood by his Texas friend until accepting his resignation Friday, according to senior administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The Justice Department planned a news conference for 10:30 a.m. EDT, in Washington. Bush planned to discuss Gonzales' departure at his Crawford, Texas, ranch shortly thereafter.

Solicitor General Paul Clement will be acting attorney general until a replacement is found, said the officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid pre-empting the announcement.

Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff was among those mentioned as possible successors. However, a senior administration official said the matter had not been raised with Chertoff. Bush leaves Washington next Monday for Australia, and Gonzales' replacement might not be named by then, the official said.

"Better late than never," said Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, summing up the response of many in Washington to Gonzales' resignation.

Gonzales served more than two years as the nation's first Hispanic attorney general.

Bush steadfastly ? and at times angrily ? refused to give in to critics, even from his own GOP, who argued that Gonzales should go. Earlier this month at a news conference, the president grew irritated when asked about accountability in his administration and turned the tables on the Democratic Congress.

"Implicit in your questions is that Al Gonzales did something wrong. I haven't seen Congress say he's done anything wrong," Bush said testily.

Gonzales, 52, called Bush on Friday to inform him of his resignation, according to a senior administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity to not pre-empt Gonzales' statement. The president had Gonzales come to lunch at his ranch on Sunday as a parting gesture.

Gonzales, whom Bush once considered for appointment to the Supreme Court, is the fourth top-ranking administration official to leave since November 2006. Donald H. Rumsfeld, an architect of the Iraq war, resigned as defense secretary one day after the November elections. Paul Wolfowitz agreed in May to step down as president of the World Bank after an ethics inquiry. And top Bush adviser Karl Rove earlier this month announced that he was stepping down.

Reacting to Monday's developments, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said that Gonzales' department had "suffered a severe crisis of leadership that allowed our justice system to be corrupted by political influence."

Gonzales could not satisfy critics who said he had lost credibility over the Justice Department's handling of warrantless wiretaps related to the threat of terrorism and the firings of several U.S. attorneys.

As attorney general and earlier as White House counsel, Gonzales pushed for expanded presidential powers, including the eavesdropping authority. He drafted controversial rules for military war tribunals and sought to limit the legal rights of detainees at Guantanamo Bay ? prompting lawsuits by civil libertarians who said the government was violating the Constitution in its pursuit of terrorists.

There were indications that the development came suddenly. Bush normally handles Cabinet resignations with efficiency, only allowing news of them to leak when a successor has been chosen and appearing with both the person departing and the replacement when the public announcement was made. That was not to be the case this time, the official said.

The president had no candidates for Gonzales' replacement to his ranch over the weekend for interviews, the official said.

"It has been a long and difficult struggle but at last, the attorney general has done the right thing and stepped down," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., a vocal critic.

The flap over the fired prosecutors proved to be the final straw for Gonzales, whose truthfulness in testimony to Congress was drawn into question.

Lawmakers said the dismissals of the federal prosecutors appeared to be politically motivated, and some of the fired U.S. attorneys said they felt pressured to investigate Democrats before elections. Gonzales maintained that the dismissals were based the prosecutors' lackluster performance records.

Thousands of documents released by the Justice Department show a White House plot, hatched shortly after the 2004 elections, to replace U.S. attorneys. At one point, senior White House officials, including Rove, suggested replacing all 93 prosecutors. In December 2006, eight were ordered to resign.

In several House and Senate hearings into the firings, Gonzales and other Justice Department officials failed to fully explain the ousters without contradicting each other.

U.S. attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president, and can be removed. But congressional Democrats said politics played an unusually critical role in the ouster of several prosecutors.

In 2004, Gonzales pressed to reauthorize a secret domestic spying program over the Justice Department's protests. Gonzales was White House counsel at the time and during a dramatic hospital confrontation he and then-White House chief of staff Andrew Card sought approval from then-Attorney General John Ashcroft, who was in intensive care. Ashcroft refused.

The White House subsequently reauthorized the program without the department's approval. Later, Bush ordered changes to the program to help the department defend its legality. The domestic surveillance program was later declared unconstitutional by a federal judge and since has been changed to require court approval before surveillance can be conducted.

Similarly, Gonzales found himself on the defensive in early March for FBI's improper and, in some cases, illegal prying into Americans' personal information during terror and spy probes. On March 9, the Justice Department's inspector general released an audit showing that FBI agents, over a three-year period, demanded telephone and Internet companies to hand over their customers' personal information without official authorization.

The damning audit also found that the FBI had improperly obtained telephone records in non-emergency circumstances, and concluded that it underreported to Congress how often it used national security letters to ask businesses to turn over customer data. The letters are administrative subpoenas that do not require a judge's approval.

Gonzales declared himself upset and frustrated over the findings. But lawmakers said they had begun to lose confidence in him.
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 10:11:06 AM »

i dont know if i have to be jealous of your country or pity it ...
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 01:26:39 PM »

The US attorney general is a lying sack of shit, has no regard for law, or our Constitution, it's time to go.

Now if we could just get rid of two more people who think they do not have to abide by the laws of this country, and arrogantly dismiss our Constitution, America would regain some credibility.
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 02:04:25 PM »

i dont know if i have to be jealous of your country or pity it ...

Do neither.  Just give all of us Americans free wine, to celebrate with on January 20th, 2009.  beer

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 02:21:33 PM »

i dont know if i have to be jealous of your country or pity it ...

Do neither.  Just give all of us Americans free wine, to celebrate with on January 20th, 2009.  beer



I am seriously going to throw a party that night.  be bigger than my new years eve 2000 party haha
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2007, 05:12:56 PM »

Quite a long list we have going here....


    Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense: GONE.  Resigned November 8, 2006.

    John R. Bolton, Ambassador to the United Nations: GONE.  Resigned December 5, 2006.

    Harriet E. Miers, White House Counsel: GONE.  Resigned January 4, 2007.

    Peter Wehner, White House Director of Strategic Initiatives: GONE.  Resigned March 29, 2007.

    Meghan O'Sullivan, Deputy National Security Adviser: GONE. Resigned April 2, 2007.

    J.D. Crouch II, Deputy National Security Adviser: GONE.  Resigned May 4, 2007.

    Sara M. Taylor, White House Director of Political Affairs: GONE.  Resigned Late May, 2007.

    Dan Bartlett, White House Counselor: GONE.  Resigned June 2, 2007.

    Rob Portman, OMB Director: GONE. Resigned June 19, 2007.

    KARL ROVE, Prince of Darkness: GONE.  Resignation effective August 31, 2007.
   
    Alberto Gonzalez: GONE. Resignation effective September 17, 2007

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2007, 05:21:27 PM »

Quite a long list we have going here....


    Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense: GONE.  Resigned November 8, 2006.

    John R. Bolton, Ambassador to the United Nations: GONE.  Resigned December 5, 2006.

    Harriet E. Miers, White House Counsel: GONE.  Resigned January 4, 2007.

    Peter Wehner, White House Director of Strategic Initiatives: GONE.  Resigned March 29, 2007.

    Meghan O'Sullivan, Deputy National Security Adviser: GONE. Resigned April 2, 2007.

    J.D. Crouch II, Deputy National Security Adviser: GONE.  Resigned May 4, 2007.

    Sara M. Taylor, White House Director of Political Affairs: GONE.  Resigned Late May, 2007.

    Dan Bartlett, White House Counselor: GONE.  Resigned June 2, 2007.

    Rob Portman, OMB Director: GONE. Resigned June 19, 2007.

    KARL ROVE, Prince of Darkness: GONE.  Resignation effective August 31, 2007.
   
    Alberto Gonzalez: GONE. Resignation effective September 17, 2007



Some were pretty normal, and much less controversial than others.  It's common for people to jump ship on a lame duck President, so that they can take high paying jobs on various boards of directors, thus helping to reinforce the cycle of corrupt politics and greed.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2007, 05:37:31 PM »

regardless of why, that is a pretty long list.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2007, 05:42:46 PM »

regardless of why, that is a pretty long list.

Didn't the WH Chef leave, too?  Probably got tired of using his skills to whip up baked beans. hihi
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2007, 10:35:30 PM »

The US attorney general is a lying sack of shit, has no regard for law, or our Constitution, it's time to go.

Now if we could just get rid of two more people who think they do not have to abide by the laws of this country, and arrogantly dismiss our Constitution, America would regain some credibility.

My calculations figure 3.....can't forget Condi!  She was right there warping the constitution along with Dubya and Cheney.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2007, 10:40:36 PM »

The US attorney general is a lying sack of shit, has no regard for law, or our Constitution, it's time to go.

Now if we could just get rid of two more people who think they do not have to abide by the laws of this country, and arrogantly dismiss our Constitution, America would regain some credibility.

My calculations figure 3.....can't forget Condi!  She was right there warping the constitution along with Dubya and Cheney.

agreed, shes a total POS just like the rest of them.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 11:29:18 PM »



My calculations figure 3.....can't forget Condi!  She was right there warping the constitution along with Dubya and Cheney.

Darn skippy, she sits up there and lies through her teeth like the rest of them.

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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2007, 02:41:52 AM »

good news for sure !  we definitely need to get rid of a whole bunch of more people though...
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2007, 03:14:19 AM »

Now I'm not going with the recent flow or anything......but I'm willing to start a gambling pool........if Alberto Gonzalez get's arrested or accused of trying to score some pole in a Barne's & Noble's bathroom in the next 30 days......you guys all owe me (and Bob Allen) $20!
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2007, 11:38:03 AM »

Reno 911? ?
By Ann Coulter
FrontPageMagazine.com | 8/30/2007

This week, congressional Democrats vowed to investigate Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' firing of himself. Gonzales has said he was not involved in the discussions about his firing and that it was "performance-based," but he couldn't recall the specifics.

Right-wingers, like me, never trusted Gonzales. But watching Hillary Rodham Clinton literally applaud the announcement of Gonzales' resignation on Monday was more than any human being should have to bear. Liberals' hysteria about Gonzales was surpassed only by their hysteria about his predecessor, John Ashcroft. (Also their hysteria about Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Libby, Rice, Barney and so on. They're very excitable, these Democrats.)

Liberals want to return the office to the glory years of Attorney General Janet Reno!

There is reason to believe Reno is precisely the sort of attorney general that Hillary would nominate, since Reno was widely assumed to be Hillary's pick at the time. As ABC News' Chris Bury reported the day Reno was confirmed: "The search for an attorney general exemplifies Hillary Clinton's circle of influence and its clout. ... The attorney general-designate, Janet Reno, came to the president's attention through Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham."

Let's compare attorney generals:

Civilians killed by Ashcroft: 0

Civilians killed by Gonzales: 0

Civilians killed by Reno: 80

Reno's military attack on a religious sect in Waco, Texas, led to the greatest number of civilians ever killed by the government in the history of the United States. More Americans were killed in Waco than were killed at any of the various markers on the left's via dolorosa ? more than Kent State (4 killed), more than the Haymarket Square rebellion (4 killed), more than Three Mile Island (0 killed).

Innocent people put in prison by Ashcroft: 0

Innocent people put in prison by Gonzales: 0

Innocent people put in prison by Reno: At least 1 that I know of

As Dade County, Fla., state attorney, Janet Reno made a name for herself as one of the leading witch-hunters in the notorious "child molestation" cases from the '80s, when convictions of innocent Americans were won on the basis of heavily coached testimony from small children.

Charged by Reno's office in 1984 with child molestation, Grant Snowden was convicted on the manufactured testimony of one such child, who was 4 years old when the abuse allegedly occurred.

Snowden, the most decorated police officer in the history of the South Miami Police Department, was sentenced to five life terms ? and was imprisoned with people he had put there. Snowden served 11 years before his conviction was finally overturned by a federal court in an opinion that ridiculed the evidence against him and called his trial "fundamentally unfair."

In a massive criminal justice system, mistakes will be made from time to time. But Janet Reno put people like Snowden in prison not only for crimes that they didn't commit ? but also for crimes that never happened. Such was the soccer-mom-induced hysteria of the '80s, when innocent people were prosecuted for fantastical crimes concocted in therapists' offices.


Number of obvious civil rights violations ignored by Ashcroft: 0
Number of obvious civil rights violations ignored by Gonzales: 0

Number of obvious civil rights violations ignored by Reno: at least 1

On Aug. 19, 1991, rabbinical student Yankel Rosenbaum was stabbed to death in Crown Heights by a black racist mob shouting "Kill the Jew!" as retaliation for another Hasidic man killing a black child in a car accident hours earlier.

In a far clearer case of jury nullification than the first Rodney King verdict, a jury composed of nine blacks and three Puerto Ricans acquitted Lemrick Nelson Jr. of the murder ? despite the fact that the police found the bloody murder weapon in his pocket and Rosenbaum's blood on his clothes, and that Rosenbaum, as he lay dying, had identified Nelson as his assailant.

The Hasidic community immediately appealed to the attorney general for a federal civil rights prosecution of Nelson. Reno responded with utter mystification at the idea that anyone's civil rights had been violated.

Civil rights? Where do you get that?

Because they were chanting "Kill the Jew," Rosenbaum is a Jew, and they killed him.

Huh. That's a weird interpretation of "civil rights." It sounds a little harebrained to me, but I guess I could have someone look into it.

It took two years from Nelson's acquittal to get Reno to bring a civil rights case against him.


Number of innocent civilians accused of committing heinous crimes by Ashcroft: 0
Number of innocent civilians accused of committing heinous crimes by Gonzales: 0

Number of innocent civilians accused of committing heinous crimes by Reno: at least 1

Janet Reno presided over the leak of Richard Jewell's name to the media, implicating him in the Atlanta Olympic park bombing in 1996, for which she later apologized. I believe Reno also falsely accused the Miami relatives of Elian Gonzalez of violating the law, which I am not including in her record of false accusations, but reminds me of another comparison.


Number of 6-year-old boys deported to totalitarian dictatorships by Ashcroft: 0
Number of 6-year-old boys deported to totalitarian dictatorships by Gonzales: 0

Number of 6-year-old boys deported to totalitarian dictatorships by Reno: 1

Not until Bush became president was the media interested in discussing the shortcomings of the attorney general. Whatever flaws Alberto Gonzales has (John Ashcroft has none), we don't have to go back to the Harding administration to find a worse attorney general.

From the phony child abuse cases of the '80s to the military assault on Americans at Waco, Janet Reno presided over the most egregious attacks on Americans' basic liberties since the Salem witch trials. These outrageous deprivations of life and liberty were not the work of fanatical right-wing prosecutors, but liberals like Janet Reno.

Reno is the sort of wild-eyed zealot trampling on real civil rights that Hillary views as an ideal attorney general, unlike that brute Alberto Gonzales. At least Reno didn't fire any U.S. attorneys!

Oh wait ?


Number of U.S. attorneys fired by Ashcroft: 0
Number of U.S. attorneys fired by Gonzales: 8

Number of U.S. attorneys fired by Reno: 93



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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2007, 12:07:23 PM »

Um....whats YOUR point? 
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2007, 01:29:53 PM »

Ann Coulter!!!!!

Yippie!

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She fails to mention that both Republicans and Democrats called for him to resign. That our Attorney General is to serve the Nation (Constitution) not King "Decider".

I'm glad Democrats are excitable about things like, our Constitution, checks and balances, and the law.
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2007, 01:56:20 PM »

Nothing for nothing that poor guy Richard Jewel died yesterday at 44 years old.  Some kidney problems.  That sucked for the guy.  You find a bomb while doing your job and then get accused of being the bomber...Then after years of misery you get sick and die at a young age. RIP.
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2007, 02:03:42 PM »

Now before you bash it, argue against her points.

Fair enough.

Here goes:

1.) Regarding her "innocent people put in prison" charge, this is certainly the most dubious and difficult to prove.  Her logic is as such: 

 She doesn't know of any innocents "put in prison" (not sure whether this means prosecuted and found guilty or simply locked away) by Ashcroft/Gonzalez, and uses this to state that there haven't been any.  She then states that she knows of 1 "at least" who was wrongly put away by Reno, and uses this as evidence that others have, as well. 

Anyone who's taken a basic course in logic (or has any common sense) knows this is complete bullshit.  The absence of evidence of something does not imply that it doesn't exist...it simply means there is no evidence.  The right should be familiar with this, as it's used to explain the existence of God, all the time.  And the presence of one "at least" that Coulter knows of does not imply a trend. 
 
2.) Regarding civil rights violations...this one is just laughable.  How seriously were allegations of voter fraud investigated by Bush Admin. AGs?  How many are held without trial?  Of course, if we include civil liberties in this (PATRIOT Act, anyone?), then Reno would win via the ten run rule.

3.) Regarding the deportation of Elian Gonzalez, I'm not sure the government SHOULD have the power to take a child from his father, simply to spite Castro.  The father had a right to his child, whether it was politically inconvenient for the Clinton Admin. or not.

4.) Regarding the firing of US Attorneys, I think it's obvious that the real question isn't the firings (which the AG has the right to do) but the nature of those firings.  The Bush Admins firings were due to political reasons, rather than reasons associated with the effectiveness/merit of those attorneys.  I'm not familiar enough with those fired by Reno to comment on them. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2007, 02:11:03 PM »

The whole piece is ridiculous. 

"yeah, well....fine, AG isn't the best and I don't like him either but, but, but look at who Clinton appointed!!  RENO STINKS! Hillary picked her!  She'll pick someone just as bad next time just you watch!  Blame Clinton!"

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