What I really like about Axl

[Ali]

I think Axl needs some balance as far as band leadership. It would be nice to have someone else making the band decisions in conjunction with Axl, but creatively, I trust Axl's vision will be great if and only if he fulfills it as he sees it.

Ali

You don?t know that, neither you nor any of us are with them to know whether the band decissions are only Axl?s or a global agreement.

What the hell are you talking about?  Axl is the sole owner of the rights to the band's name!  Any decision involving Guns N' Roses must be signed off on by Axl.  He has the final say, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

Ali

[Ali]

I think Axl needs some balance as far as band leadership. It would be nice to have someone else making the band decisions in conjunction with Axl, but creatively, I trust Axl's vision will be great if and only if he fulfills it as he sees it.

Ali

You don?t know that, neither you nor any of us are with them to know whether the band decissions are only Axl?s or a global agreement.

agreed and tommy said axl was trying to make it democratic as possible...

Tommy said that Axl was trying to make the songwriting process as democratic as possible, not the decisions involving the band's business.  Axl may get input from other members on that, but the final word is his as he  is the sole owner of the rights to use of the name Guns N' Roses.

Ali

[slashsbaconpit]

I'm as bad as anyone when it comes to bitching about CD not being released yet, but I do agree with the original poster's ideas about Axl. The guy isn't doing what he does because he wants money. If money were all he wanted, he'd have whored out his music to all sorts of commericals, endorsements and movies.

No, Axl walks to his own beat. Sometimes it's frustrating for us fans that just want the record already, but you do have to admire the fact that he doesn't just crap out an album every 14 months or whatever, and he doesn't release everything he writes. Some stuff isn't as good as other stuff, and Axl seems to want only the stuff that's really good to be released.

[ppbebe]

I think Axl needs some balance as far as band leadership. It would be nice to have someone else making the band decisions in conjunction with Axl, but creatively, I trust Axl's vision will be great if and only if he fulfills it as he sees it.

Ali

You don?t know that, neither you nor any of us are with them to know whether the band decissions are only Axl?s or a global agreement.

agreed and tommy said axl was trying to make it democratic as possible...

Tommy said that Axl was trying to make the songwriting process as democratic as possible, not the decisions involving the band's business.  Axl may get input from other members on that, but the final word is his as he  is the sole owner of the rights to use of the name Guns N' Roses.

Ali

didn't you say 'creativity'?
whatever we can't be sure about how things work inside a band we aren't IN.

[November_Rain]

I think Axl needs some balance as far as band leadership. It would be nice to have someone else making the band decisions in conjunction with Axl, but creatively, I trust Axl's vision will be great if and only if he fulfills it as he sees it.

Ali

You don?t know that, neither you nor any of us are with them to know whether the band decissions are only Axl?s or a global agreement.

What the hell are you talking about?  Axl is the sole owner of the rights to the band's name!  Any decision involving Guns N' Roses must be signed off on by Axl.  He has the final say, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

Ali

It?s obvious he has the final say but what makes you think that he doesn?t take the band members?opinions into account?. We all know he has the rights and all that but we are not with them to know how they work or how they take decissions.

[Ali]

I think Axl needs some balance as far as band leadership. It would be nice to have someone else making the band decisions in conjunction with Axl, but creatively, I trust Axl's vision will be great if and only if he fulfills it as he sees it.

Ali

You don?t know that, neither you nor any of us are with them to know whether the band decissions are only Axl?s or a global agreement.

agreed and tommy said axl was trying to make it democratic as possible...

Tommy said that Axl was trying to make the songwriting process as democratic as possible, not the decisions involving the band's business.? Axl may get input from other members on that, but the final word is his as he? is the sole owner of the rights to use of the name Guns N' Roses.

Ali

didn't you say 'creativity'?
whatever we can't be sure about how things work inside a band we aren't IN.

No shit we can't be exactly sure, but the plain fact of the matter is that Axl owns the rights to the name Guns N' Roses and the final say on any Guns N' Roses related activity has to be given by him.  I never said the ONLY say, I said the FINAL say.  I never said he doesn't listen to the other band members and get their input, only that despite whatever input the others may give, he has to give final approval because of his ownership of the rights to the GN'R name.

Ali

[Ali]

I think Axl needs some balance as far as band leadership. It would be nice to have someone else making the band decisions in conjunction with Axl, but creatively, I trust Axl's vision will be great if and only if he fulfills it as he sees it.

Ali

You don?t know that, neither you nor any of us are with them to know whether the band decissions are only Axl?s or a global agreement.

What the hell are you talking about?? Axl is the sole owner of the rights to the band's name!? Any decision involving Guns N' Roses must be signed off on by Axl.? He has the final say, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

Ali

It?s obvious he has the final say but what makes you think that he doesn?t take the band members?opinions into account?. We all know he has the rights and all that but we are not with them to know how they work or how they take decissions.

Again, I never said that he has the ONLY say.  I said he has the FINAL say.  Him having the final say says nothing about what path is taken in the decision making process to get to that place of what the final say on a GN'R matter is.

Ali

[TxpxV]

Axl is a genius. My friends and family all think i'm ridiculous because of how much I adore Axl Rose. He knew his band was going to break up and that he wouldn't be able to do what he had envisioned without the GNR name so he made everyone sign over their shares to him...I personally think that GnR belongs to him anyways because of how much he cares about what he does and has created. And thats the thing...Unlike other bands and musicians I don't think Axl has done anything for ANYONE but himself. And I think a lot of it has to do with proving his childhood wrong...and laughing in it's face...saying look at me now and look at what I've become. He obviously is effected by his childhood and thats why he just doesn't give a shit about the record labels and explains his ridiculous demands, but when he was younger and fame hit him hard he did get a little bit of an ego which is to be expected. He's never sucked up to the media he has always spoken his mind. I believe that he truly has worked on this record for 16 years because he won't release it until it's up to HIS standards. You see all these bands putting out a cd every year and look at what this shit has turned into. He was a young guy and the fame went to his head...then he left the public eye for a long time and came back a totally different person with a new band to make some money to finish the cd....he wasn't ready to be back yet...i think it was too much for him to handle at once...and this time he slowly worked his way back in by showing up at parties and then going on tour. And now he's on stage communicating and dancing with his bandmates which he never used to do...he cares about the fans...When I saw them in MPLS helmet was off the stage and GnR was on in 20 minutes...and it was great. He still doesn't put up with peoples bullshit, but he knows that without the fans...there is no GnR. And he is perfecting Chinese Democracy for himself and for us. And when it's released it's going to be fucking amazing...and for a man to find his groove like Axl has I think it's pretty damn impressive.

And I think just likes Sebastian Bach so much that he's helping him out and getting him back into the spotlight because the media won't give him the time of day because they're assholes. So Axl is using his power and popularity to help out Sebastian Bach.  I was soooo excited for Sebastians new cd and then when i found out that Axl was on three songs...I WAS SO MUCH MORE EXCITED. This thing is going to sell like hotcakes and it's going to get so much more spotlight just because Axl is on it resulting in Sebastian getting some long over due recognition.

[stolat]

I think the hardest thing for Axl was keeping a level head when the 'scene' was all around him.

[RageNirvanaNIN]

Axl is a genius. My friends and family all think i'm ridiculous because of how much I adore Axl Rose. He knew his band was going to break up and that he wouldn't be able to do what he had envisioned without the GNR name so he made everyone sign over their shares to him...I personally think that GnR belongs to him anyways because of how much he cares about what he does and has created. And thats the thing...Unlike other bands and musicians I don't think Axl has done anything for ANYONE but himself. And I think a lot of it has to do with proving his childhood wrong...and laughing in it's face...saying look at me now and look at what I've become. He obviously is effected by his childhood and thats why he just doesn't give a shit about the record labels and explains his ridiculous demands, but when he was younger and fame hit him hard he did get a little bit of an ego which is to be expected. He's never sucked up to the media he has always spoken his mind. I believe that he truly has worked on this record for 16 years because he won't release it until it's up to HIS standards. You see all these bands putting out a cd every year and look at what this shit has turned into. He was a young guy and the fame went to his head...then he left the public eye for a long time and came back a totally different person with a new band to make some money to finish the cd....he wasn't ready to be back yet...i think it was too much for him to handle at once...and this time he slowly worked his way back in by showing up at parties and then going on tour. And now he's on stage communicating and dancing with his bandmates which he never used to do...he cares about the fans...When I saw them in MPLS helmet was off the stage and GnR was on in 20 minutes...and it was great. He still doesn't put up with peoples bullshit, but he knows that without the fans...there is no GnR. And he is perfecting Chinese Democracy for himself and for us. And when it's released it's going to be fucking amazing...and for a man to find his groove like Axl has I think it's pretty damn impressive.

And I think just likes Sebastian Bach so much that he's helping him out and getting him back into the spotlight because the media won't give him the time of day because they're assholes. So Axl is using his power and popularity to help out Sebastian Bach.  I was soooo excited for Sebastians new cd and then when i found out that Axl was on three songs...I WAS SO MUCH MORE EXCITED. This thing is going to sell like hotcakes and it's going to get so much more spotlight just because Axl is on it resulting in Sebastian getting some long over due recognition.

For some reason when you said that it sparked me to listen to coma. It really reminds me of Axl's whole life just everything , the ending is amazing

Its so easy to be social
Its so easy to be cool
When you ain't got shit to lose

I think its safe to say he knows the ups and downs of life.  For Mr.Rose

[faldor]

Axl is a genius. My friends and family all think i'm ridiculous because of how much I adore Axl Rose. He knew his band was going to break up and that he wouldn't be able to do what he had envisioned without the GNR name so he made everyone sign over their shares to him...I personally think that GnR belongs to him anyways because of how much he cares about what he does and has created. And thats the thing...Unlike other bands and musicians I don't think Axl has done anything for ANYONE but himself. And I think a lot of it has to do with proving his childhood wrong...and laughing in it's face...saying look at me now and look at what I've become. He obviously is effected by his childhood and thats why he just doesn't give a shit about the record labels and explains his ridiculous demands, but when he was younger and fame hit him hard he did get a little bit of an ego which is to be expected. He's never sucked up to the media he has always spoken his mind. I believe that he truly has worked on this record for 16 years because he won't release it until it's up to HIS standards. You see all these bands putting out a cd every year and look at what this shit has turned into. He was a young guy and the fame went to his head...then he left the public eye for a long time and came back a totally different person with a new band to make some money to finish the cd....he wasn't ready to be back yet...i think it was too much for him to handle at once...and this time he slowly worked his way back in by showing up at parties and then going on tour. And now he's on stage communicating and dancing with his bandmates which he never used to do...he cares about the fans...When I saw them in MPLS helmet was off the stage and GnR was on in 20 minutes...and it was great. He still doesn't put up with peoples bullshit, but he knows that without the fans...there is no GnR. And he is perfecting Chinese Democracy for himself and for us. And when it's released it's going to be fucking amazing...and for a man to find his groove like Axl has I think it's pretty damn impressive.

And I think just likes Sebastian Bach so much that he's helping him out and getting him back into the spotlight because the media won't give him the time of day because they're assholes. So Axl is using his power and popularity to help out Sebastian Bach.? I was soooo excited for Sebastians new cd and then when i found out that Axl was on three songs...I WAS SO MUCH MORE EXCITED. This thing is going to sell like hotcakes and it's going to get so much more spotlight just because Axl is on it resulting in Sebastian getting some long over due recognition.

Very nice post.  I completely agree.  People seem to think Axl's stringing us along for a multitude of reasons.  I want the album as much as anyone, but I'm willing to wait if Axl doesn't feel it's ready yet.  I think we're definitely headed in the right direction with the collaboration with Baz.  That should help get Axl back into the spotlight and fuel interest for the new Guns album, at least I hope.

[JMack]

I like Axl's taste in women and his music.  I say this because I'm staying on topic.

[elmir]

Axl Rose kicks ass.....period....no one else in the world sounds like him, not even after 20 years now.....no one gets even close in terms of vocal range and ability....(a little biased there, but you get my drift).....and the fact that he refuses to copy himself from one record to the next is a massive bonus for any fan....

he stuck it out this long when all he could have done is given into pressure and made peace with Slash and apologised and reunited....simple....but he didn't....he chose not to....and that alone makes me excited and i cannot fucking wait to hear what he has done musically over the last 10 years....

[marknroses]

What I like about Axl in the past 5 years is how he exercised judgement and took his sweet time to come back to his original form, because clearly being out of the spotlight had left him out of style and out of touch and out of form. Now he has a style that is a better fit to the music and he's comfortable with it.

He doesn't do all things completely his own way, as much as we would like to believe that he gets away with it. Its ok to get help sometimes and listen to others and take heed to their opinions if you believe it helps you, if their intentions are sincere. Sebastchian has probably been the most important friend Axl has had the past couple of years and its helped Axl snap out of his seclusion and back into the spotlight. His willingness to work with a vocal coach to enhance and maintain his voice has been instrumental in making his shows on a level that they were in the Live Era days, which had not been apparents during his first couple of comebacks between 2000 and 2002.

It has been extremely inspiring watching him now in his mid-40s doing what he does on stage in his singing and peforming. He is truly showing that he is the Nolan Ryan of his sport of Rock music and pulls no punches (sorry Robin Ventura). The bootlegs sound better and better the more I hear of them and I only wonder what else he has in store considering the progress he has made recently.

MNW