Help on Rocket Queen & Patience

[keithos27]

Hey everyone.  Can some of you more experienced board members point out some info on Rocket Queen and Patience?  These are two of my favorite GNR songs and I always like to know the stories behind the music whenever possible.  Some things I already have learned:

- Rocket Queen featues real acoustics of Axl having sex with a g/f of Steven Adler at the time.  She did it to get back at Adler for cheating on him. 
- Rocket Queen changes over to a "happier sounding" beat because Axl wanted to end the album on a happy note.
- Patience features Axl's ex-wife in the video.

That's all the little tidbits I know at the moment.  Any other little facts would be much appreciated... any quotes on what band members have to say about the songs, etc.

Cheers,
Keith

[Jim Bob]

theres actually a story on Rocket Queen published in the recent Rolling Stone I believe about Rocket Queen.

Patience was primarily an Izzy song.  Slash and Duff didn't want to do it.

[keithos27]

theres actually a story on Rocket Queen published in the recent Rolling Stone I believe about Rocket Queen.

Patience was primarily an Izzy song.? Slash and Duff didn't want to do it.

i'll have to read the article... i thought it just touched upon the whole "sex noises" thing?

didn't realize slash and duff didn't want to do patience... any particular reason?

they are both very moving songs for me... as well as "think about you".

[Jim Bob]

yea it was all about the sex noises, I believe it was an interview with the lady who made the noises.

not sure why Slash and Duff didn't want to do Patience, but according to Axl in Albany 2002 they argued with him and at first refused to do it..  guess we dont really know but thats what Axl claimed.   

Think About You is also an Izzy song.     I believe he plays lead in that one.

[keithos27]

i must really like izzy love songs then, hehe.  when i saw gnr last year in nyc (twice!) it reminded me of when i used to borrow my cousin's tape of AFD and listen to it non-stop (i was 8 at the time, 26 now).  if only i was "old enough" and "rich enough" to appreciate the band back in their heyday... i would have gone to so many concerts...  at least i can say i saw them in my lifetime... with izzy there at one of the shows!  hopefully i catch them again some time soon.

keep the facts coming friends! 

[RageNirvanaNIN]

theres actually a story on Rocket Queen published in the recent Rolling Stone I believe about Rocket Queen.

Patience was primarily an Izzy song.  Slash and Duff didn't want to do it.

i'll have to read the article... i thought it just touched upon the whole "sex noises" thing?

didn't realize slash and duff didn't want to do patience... any particular reason?

they are both very moving songs for me... as well as "think about you".

Yea what Axl claims , I doubt its a fact for sure. I know that think about you slash said was difficult for him to play , because of the way izzy structured it and stuff it was a little unorthodox in his playing. Izzy plays lead in it and wrote it for the most part. Rocket Queen used to sound a lot different in like 85...and umm yea

[keithos27]

Rocket Queen used to sound a lot different in like 85...and umm yea

what do you mean?  you mean it was just such a "different" sounding song for back in 85 or it was played differently in 85 as opposed to how it is played now?

[Loaded NightraiN]

I read a tidbit about patience, a long time ago that said:


The lyrics for the last part of the song were totally different... But Izzy forgot them, so when it came time to record, he made up some new ones....

[RageNirvanaNIN]

Rocket Queen used to sound a lot different in like 85...and umm yea

what do you mean?  you mean it was just such a "different" sounding song for back in 85 or it was played differently in 85 as opposed to how it is played now?

The build up , from the normal part to the harder riff was a little bit different and I think the lyrics hadn't been planned out as much , youtube has some early vids that are interesting.

[CheapJon]

There was an awesome article a couple of months ago posted in the VR section i think, where slash went through how he remembered the recording of AFD

I searched for it but couldn't find it (maybe it was deleted because it contained scans from the magazine)

if anyone can find it, it would be awesome

[keithos27]

Rocket Queen used to sound a lot different in like 85...and umm yea

what do you mean?? you mean it was just such a "different" sounding song for back in 85 or it was played differently in 85 as opposed to how it is played now?

The build up , from the normal part to the harder riff was a little bit different and I think the lyrics hadn't been planned out as much , youtube has some early vids that are interesting.

really!?!?  if you happen to have time to post some URLs i would appreciate it... i'll search on youtube as well, of course.

[Jim Bob]

i must really like izzy love songs then, hehe.  when i saw gnr last year in nyc (twice!) it reminded me of when i used to borrow my cousin's tape of AFD and listen to it non-stop (i was 8 at the time, 26 now).  if only i was "old enough" and "rich enough" to appreciate the band back in their heyday... i would have gone to so many concerts...  at least i can say i saw them in my lifetime... with izzy there at one of the shows!  hopefully i catch them again some time soon.

keep the facts coming friends! 

i was at the same show - izzy's first onstage appearance with Axl in almost 14 years.  and i'm 26   
   
i wanted to see the band back on the metallica tour but my mom wouldnt let me go    but i made up for it last year. 

[keithos27]

i was at the same show - izzy's first onstage appearance with Axl in almost 14 years.? and i'm 26? ?
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i wanted to see the band back on the metallica tour but my mom wouldnt let me go ? ?but i made up for it last year.?

haha rock on!  dude how sick was that show!?!?  i saw the one on mother's day too where sebastian bach did a duet on "my michelle"... i *think* that was the first time they had done that, correct (didn't axl claim that he burried a 13 year hatchet with sebastian the day prior because he needed vocal chord help or something like that...)?  and a couple of victoria's secret models were there that night... hotness! 

[CheapJon]

(didn't axl claim that he burried a 13 year hatchet with sebastian the day prior because he needed vocal chord help or something like that...)??

man don't go off topic in your own thread,, anyway, no i don't think there ever were a hatchet to bury between the 2.. just that they hadn't spoken in since early 90's

[RageNirvanaNIN]

Here is a demo of rocket queen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpdWYTAbHOM

You can hear slash doing some octave bends that he doesn't do , and the build up part is a different. Duff is really hitting some sweet bass fills.

Here is a live version from Roxy of 86

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdf3bkguvdM

and another one from the same year I think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-dSQGcEhVI , you can hear their idea but it isn't quite the song we know today but still jaw dropping!

[estebanf]

www.GNRsource.com is you friend in these cases 

[keithos27]

www.GNRsource.com is you friend in these cases?

sweet website, thank you.

[CheapJon]

thanks for the demo of RQ, R.N.N.

damn i love RQ and that demo was awesome, the slightly changed ending is purty damn cool

[keithos27]

thanks for the demo of RQ, R.N.N.

+1 thank you

[LunsJail]

Hey everyone.? Can some of you more experienced board members point out some info on Rocket Queen and Patience?? These are two of my favorite GNR songs and I always like to know the stories behind the music whenever possible.? Some things I already have learned:

- Rocket Queen featues real acoustics of Axl having sex with a g/f of Steven Adler at the time.? She did it to get back at Adler for cheating on him.?
- Rocket Queen changes over to a "happier sounding" beat because Axl wanted to end the album on a happy note.
- Patience features Axl's ex-wife in the video.

That's all the little tidbits I know at the moment.? Any other little facts would be much appreciated... any quotes on what band members have to say about the songs, etc.

Cheers,
Keith

Where is Axl's ex-wife (Erin Everly I'm assuming) in the Patience video?  I never remember seeing her.