Libertad debuts well below Contraband

[CSS]

Robin does not fuck up anything. He plays the songs the way he wants to play them. If you want to talk about fucking up solos on the Illusion tour.

Stop.

1. Why does it always have to be about GN'R? (I know you didn't bring it up)

2. Everybody fucks up.

3. Understood? Noone is guilty...

[mikegiuliana]

I have to ask with the state of rock and what's selling does it matter what vr released as far as sales go?? I mean SBQM isn't the best song but it's far from the worst of the lot considering Fall out Boy Linkin Park or Nickleback do so well.. I mean The Last Fight is the next single, I think it's a killer tune, but say it doesn't help the album at all, is it vr's fault or is the supergroup thingy over, the curiousity over.??

Just saying does it matter how good your material is, or is it just the luck of the draw.. We all know afd didn't explode until scom.. Not by any means comparing anything vr to afd so lets not go there at all..

Is it age of the band, or as I said the curiousity of bringing two old  great/good groups together to form one All star one over..?? We all know many groups can sell out arenas n have a huge following but can't slaways get the albums sold anymore..

I also know many people that enjoyed slither, ftp, and those who heard dlt so it's not the material.. Money was a cool cover, set me free was good too for the hulk...

Lets just say Estranged was released in 1991, it probably could have had November rain ratings, but cause it wasn't the right time n music was in a change it didn't fair nearly as well.. I mean is this possibly the same thing, that window for mainstream to want a VR album is over, but they'll still shell out the bucks to see a great rock band play live??

So what's your thoughts being t's a pretty good album and there's much worse then SBQM's out there and it does 100x's better..

[acompleteunknown]

A lot of it has to do with the marketing machine.  What's an easier sell to the music-buying public?  Fall Out Boy is hot with the under 18 crowd so despite the quality of the music, the label will promote the hell out of the band.  In VR, you have a bunch of 40+ rockers.  It doesn't matter how good the music is, if you're a teenage girl, do you really want the poster of a rock star on your wall who is the same age as your father?

People are sheep.  They follow the herd.  If the rest of their friends are listening to emo pop rock, then that's what they are going to listen to...and likewise, the labels push all the same sounding music because there is a better chance to sell their music.

I can't believe that Plain White T's song "Hey Deliha" was the number 1 song on itunes...I mean, the song isn't bad...but it's not that good...it's just trendy.

[Billo]

OK..do u like the album??  I havent got the new Lpark and have no wish to....Ive got Libertad and love it..I dont like much of the music in the charts anyway..most of its shit..

[AxemanOnFire]

If they wanted sales of the album to really take off, they ought to release Can't Get It Out Of My Head as a single - that song is made for radio, and it'd be played twice as often as any other VR single has been before (including Fall To Pieces). Whether they'd want to have an ELO cover out as a single (from an image/rock credibility point of view - ELO don't fit with the 'rock's last badasses' tag the marketing machine has given VR) is another matter entirely, of course. It isn't as good a track as Gravedancer, but then Fall To Pieces wasn't as good as You Got No Right. It's about what works on the radio, and what appeals to a larger spread of people. Using Mike's example, Estranged is probably (personal opinion) as good a track as November Rain. But Estranged makes a bad single, because it isn't a radio song.

[chineseblues]

Last Week 45   This Week 47   VELVET REVOLVER  LIBERTAD  RCA/RMG  8,330  NOW IN: 61.81%

[jarmo]

Billboard
Issue Date:  2007-08-25

This Wk   Last Wk           Artist                 Album     Peak     Wks On                 
    61            49        Velvet Revolver      Libertad      5              6



http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=The+Billboard+200&pageNumber=Top+51-100&g=Albums


/jarmo

[Falcon]

Any idea how many units sold last week?

This thing looks like its too far gone to save...

[rgr1607]

Any idea how many units sold last week?

From the Metal Sludge forum...

61 VELVET REVOLVER LIBERTAD 10,444 -26 192,840

http://www.metalsludge.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=123477&sid=21b56b964c0988cc613e352844e5ca4c

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Any idea how many units sold last week?

This thing looks like its too far gone to save...

#61: Velvet Revolver, Libertad
This Week: 10,444
Cume: 192,840

http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=2025#more-2025

[Christos AG]

I don't think the Last Fight will save the day...

As I've said a thousand times...:

One more album... tops.

[RTK]

It just seems more and more likely that this band will be another version of Audioslave, where they break up before reaching their full potential, and one of the bands reunites (probably STP).

Then again, Marilyn Manson's album is not doing well, and besides Nickelback and Hinder, there isn't one rock album thats on the charts that has gone platinum.

And as Jarmo kept saying before Libertad, when people would bring up the fact that Contraband went triple platinum, and sold a lot, thus meaning that its a good album, Sales and quality don't neccessarily relate in the new music industry, especially with Rock music.  And as long as the band is on good terms with each other and the tours do well, they could have some longevity.

[COMAMOTIVE]

I don't think the Last Fight will save the day...

Frankly, if they have to rely on radio-bubblegum-garbage like that to sell this thing, then they should've packed it in after Contraband -

[GeraldFord]

I'm pretty amazed that this album did as poorly as it did. I thought it would sell at least one million in the States.

[D]

Singles drive record sales.


VR had the HUGE DOUBLE WHAMMY last time with SLither and then Fall To Pieces.

They struck a chord with the public.


SBQM and THe Last Fight don't have that same luster.


Last Fight is good but it isnt a single thats gonna truly resonate with people enough to make them buy the album.


I use Bon Jovi as an example cause its what i know best.


Their album "Bounce" was a HUGE FLOP, why? they didn't have the big singles.  Everyday flopped as the first single, the 2nd single "Misunderstood" was a minor hit but the album only sold 800,000.  Let's not forget though they played the NFL opening thing  in front of half a million people in New York and got tons of publicity and it still didn't go platinum.



Fast Forward to the album after that "Have A Nice Day"  The title track flopped at radio and the album looked sort of like a goner but here came a HUGE SINGLE "Who Says You Can't Go Home"  The album took off and sold almost 2 million in the US.


So its all about singles.

U have great singles, u sell records, u dont, u wont.

Same will go for Chinese Democracy and every other album.


MUsic is about Singles these days.  People dont want to buy an album with 12 good songs

U better have 2 or 3 amazing songs mixed with 8 or 9 good songs.

[Ines_rocks!]

Has Last Fight been released as a single yet?

[faldor]

Has Last Fight been released as a single yet?

I heard it on the radio today for the first time, Sirius 20 Octane.  So I'd have to guess that it has been released.  I thought I remember hearing somewhere around Aug. 20th or so.

[Ines_rocks!]

Has Last Fight been released as a single yet?

I heard it on the radio today for the first time, Sirius 20 Octane.  So I'd have to guess that it has been released.  I thought I remember hearing somewhere around Aug. 20th or so.

Here, in my country (Portugal) I haven?t heard, not even once, SBQM on the radio. It just has no air play. Dunno if it happens in other european countries too. However, there are many VR fans in Portugal (I have sources that told me that the canceled show they were going to give in Lisbon this year was almost selling out, and the 2004 eventually did it). I guess VR just ain?t reaching to the popular masses... if you know what I mean. Try asking a "normal" person about VR... they won?t know what to answer. But if you try someone who likes music... they will know. So I guess thats whats happening right now. The rock fans, music fans in general (and the VR/Guns/STP fans too obviously) bought in the first weeks. The popular masses didn?t (maybe cos they are more focused right now on the Umbrella song by Rhianna  ). So I guess that?s why it has been dropping in the table since.

[Jim Bob]

I dont see "The Last Fight" doing anything to help this albums sales.

[Smoking Guns]

I dont see "The Last Fight" doing anything to help this albums sales.

Nice new name change Jimmy Bobby.  Glad you finally changed your picture too.

The Last Fight cannot hurt album sales, that is for sure.