Libertad debuts well below Contraband

[jarmo]

Are some suggesting that Jarmo's feelings towards VR have affected sales for VR?  When Tommy Stinson solo albums and Izzy Solo albums make the front page news and VR doesn't that does mean their is a slight bias against VR. 

I'm not gonna use my time to promote something I don't believe in.



A Tommy or Izzy solo record definitely interests me more than whatever the fuck this Scott character releases.

I know I'm not the only GN'R fan who feels that way.




/jarmo

[PhillyRiot]

And if Axl supported VR, you would be up their butt too.  Anyway the wind blows......

[darth monkey]

That's fine Jarmo, it clearly shows your hatred for VR, this board used to be great (was always one of my favorites and I still do come here multiple times a day) but now it has turned into a pretty shitty place to come. Always the same arguments. And for myself a fan of both GN'R and VR it isn't really something I'm into. You don't see VR boards talking shit about GN'R all the time. I think it's insulting and childish to see what has happened here. I know it's your website, but VR news belongs there as much as Tommy's shitty albums and Izzy's material (which I love). I guess we can't expect people to grow up and stop this stupid nonsence if that very type of behaviour is exibitted and praised by the webmaster.

[stolat]

Velvet Revolver is on the board so it may be discussed and analysed by GN'R fans. Don't be insulted by it. You are merely experiencing other people's perspectives on the matter. And yeh, sorry, we can't paint a 'nicer' picture for you.

[darth monkey]

There is a differnce between being on the board and having people bitch and complain on every single VR post just because they feel GN"R are Gods and have to bring down VR cause they feel threatened  because VR actually release new music every couple of years. There couldn't possibly be people that like BOTH bands and want to hear news and talk about both. Some of the arguments I see on this board are so stupid and idiotic. I'm not sure some of you have a high enough IQ to be able and tie your shoe (velcro shoes don't count).

[stolat]

There is a differnce between being on the board and having people bitch and complain on every single VR post just because they feel GN"R are Gods and have to bring down VR cause they feel threatened? because VR actually release new music every couple of years. There couldn't possibly be people that like BOTH bands and want to hear news and talk about both. Some of the arguments I see on this board are so stupid and idiotic. I'm not sure some of you have a high enough IQ to be able and tie your shoe (velcro shoes don't count).

If you know anything about Freud I do believe that you are "projecting your own shadow". The words "threatened", "bitch" and "complain" are coming from your perspective and comprehension of the arguments presented thus far. I certainly have not read those words into the arguments presented by Gn'R fans.

PS. Trying to insult people's IQs shows a sense of desperation. Low blow only....

[AdZ]

Some of the arguments I see on this board are so stupid and idiotic. I'm not sure some of you have a high enough IQ to be able and tie your shoe (velcro shoes don't count).

 

[Bodhi]

I agree that Scott has hurt VR's sales....there has to be SOME explanation how a band in 2004 that NOBODY even heard of sells over 250,000 the first week and that same band after years of touring and music videos and magazine covers sells less than 93,000 the opening week......SBQM and SLither are pretty much identical songs too...so i dont want to hear that it was because it was a weaker single.....I really wanted VR's record to do well BUT there was also a part of me that was a little happy it tanked because Scott Weiland is always opening his mouth about Axl and GNR...especially when Scott recently said that Chinese Democracy wont sell a million copies......kind of ironic how his record tanks and as of right now has no shot in hell of selling a million copies...

[darth monkey]

I read your nonsensical argument you had yesterday with other people here about whether VR could play other GNR songs or not. The other members made sound arguments, and you always responded the same garbage to their response. I'm not trying to insult some of the posters IQ, they do that on their own. It is a low blow but I'm tired of reading the same shit here day after day. I know I'm free to go somewhere else, but this board used to be my favorite GN'R, just unfortunate that it can't survive VR. It's a shame cause GN'R has, their on tour and will hopefully release their CD soon. Why can't you guys go on living life like the rest of GN'R has and not have to come and post nonsence here everyday.

[stolat]

I read your nonsensical argument you had yesterday with other people here about whether VR could play other GNR songs or not. The other members made sound arguments, and you always responded the same garbage to their response. I'm not trying to insult some of the posters IQ, they do that on their own. It is a low blow but I'm tired of reading the same shit here day after day. I know I'm free to go somewhere else, but this board used to be my favorite GN'R, just unfortunate that it can't survive VR. It's a shame cause GN'R has, their on tour and will hopefully release their CD soon. Why can't you guys go on living life like the rest of GN'R has and not have to come and post nonsence here everyday.

It's Ok dude, not everyone has a grasp on ethics.

[darth monkey]

I don't think you understand ethics...because you own the name of a band you don't own everything. As others have mentioned the songs VR sings were not written by Axl, they were written by the members of VR and Izzy, so they have more ownership of that material than Axl. You don't see any VR fans bitching about Axl's GN'R covering those songs. VR has never used that material in any commericial release to drum up publicity. In fact in the recent concert that was on MSN all GN'R and STP material was removed and only VR material was broadcast. GN'R and STP are an important part of their past and they should play a few songs, they do so because they respect and take pride in their past. You can play any song you want live in concert. In fact, Axl's GN'R could play a VR song if they wanted. Axl could pull off most of the songs Scott sings, I think Axl is a better vocalist. However I have some doubts about the band behind Axl being able to do the material justice.

And for some of you who are misguided individuals, sure Scott has said things about GN'R that he shouldn't have and as a GN'R fan I don't agree with them, but Axl (and his assitant) has said stuff about Slash and Scott that they should not have and as a VR fan I don't agree with them. Both parties have made mistakes, but they haven't made it a long running feud and have moved on and for the most part been rather civil. The same CANNOT be said for some individuals on this board.

[jarmo]

And if Axl supported VR, you would be up their butt too.  Anyway the wind blows......

Fuck you.


Too bad you're as clueless as the rest.


Now go and listen to that masterpiece record Libertad and kiss your Weiland poster.



/jarmo

[stolat]

In fact, Axl's GN'R could play a VR song if they wanted. Axl could pull off most of the songs Scott sings, I think Axl is a better vocalist. However I have some doubts about the band behind Axl being able to do the material justice.

Axl has way higher ideals than to do that.

What Jarmo said........

[Eazy E]

I'm not gonna use my time to promote something I don't believe in.

... But you will use it to do the opposite!? ?

Too bad you're as clueless as the rest.


Now go and listen to that masterpiece record Libertad and kiss your Weiland poster.

"The rest", "the rest", I always wonder who falls into that category?... For about a week there I thought you had better things to do with your time than talk trash about something that doesn't interest you (or respond to people who don't "get it"), but welcome back!?

[darth monkey]

Yep...great arguments guys...you two are a perfect representation for everything that has gone wrong with this board in the last couple of years. I don't idolize Weiland or Axl, I think in the end I will probably enjoy Libertad more than I will Chinese Democracy, which is my choice. I do really enjoy Libertad. Is it as good as Appetite, no. But there are some really good songs on there. What attracted me to GN'R was their hard rock blues style music, much like what attracts me to Aerosmith. This to a large extent is gone in Axl's GN'R, sadly enough even when they play the old stuff and it has been replaced by industrial and dance-like beats and sounds. It is true that GN'R is changing and evolving, and it is understandable that some of you will like that better and that is your choice and right and I won't make fun of you. However; VR's roots are closer to that hard rock blues style music than Axl's GN'R, so if some fans prefer VR over Axl's GNR because of that, you should respect that and stop being assholes and picking on them all the time.

What you have to realize is that GN'R reached a fork in the roads in the mid 90's where they split into two bands, with neither band really being GN'R anymore. One fork eventually became VR and the other Axl's GN'R. Some fans may like VR or Axl's GNR better than the original GN'R which is fine, others like myself will always like the old band better but have excepted the split and be fans of both bands. Just because your a fan of one band doesn't mean you HAVE to hate the other and if you don't like them that is your right but you don't have to spread your hate with lies, mis-truths and nonsensical arguments, just except it and listen to the music and be glad that GN'R still exists in some form or another be that as VR, Axl's GN'R, or both.

[D]

Weiland's insults were in pretty big magazines, so yeah I know for a fact a lot of GNR fans saw those and were turned off by it.


I have a friend who refuses to listen to VR after what Scott said about Axl.


So I don't think its ludicrous at all to think some of that may have hurt VR


Fuck, Look at Ja Rule the rapper, He got into it with Eminem and 50 cent.................. Now the dudes career is OVER. Seriously, its finished.




Honestly Here is what I believe.

People were curious and bought Contraband, Didnt like it, so they didnt come back for the 2nd album.


Also, Great ballads drive album sales, Call it *RichardNixon's Soccer Mom Effect* ?All bands do the nice ballad to get older,Soccer Moms to buy and listen to their albums.

[jarmo]

"The rest", "the rest", I always wonder who falls into that category?... For about a week there I thought you had better things to do with your time than talk trash about something that doesn't interest you (or respond to people who don't "get it"), but welcome back! 

Everybody who thinks they fucking know me or what I'm all about is the rest,

I never talked to this PhillyRiot person, yet he acts like he knows me.

Just like many of you VR fans.



Worry about your own lives instead of trying to figure out why I think Scott Weiland is a clueless overrated poser and a joke. 



/jarmo

[D]

^
Only speculating, but VR use to be covered here, I think there were pics of u at a VR concert.


Just seems when Scott ran his mouth, u started really hating the band which is cool and totally understandable but at one time u seemed to have supported VR.

[CheapJon]

^
Only speculating, but VR use to be covered here, I think there were pics of u at a VR concert.

AdZ is on them too?



 

[Smoking Guns]

Jarmo, goes both ways. ?You think you know the VR fans cause you think they think they know you? ?

Did you listen to libertad? ?I think its better than CB. ? You can comment, Axl won't fire you. ?Just be honest, like WARose, Jim Bob, and Younggunner have all done. ?They all listened to the album, and were as fair as they could be.