Libertad debuts well below Contraband

[Eazy E]

The only rock album that has sold more than Contraband since it came out was the friggen Nickleback and Daughtry CD's. Bands like RHCP, Incubus, Foo Fighters, Tool, etc. all sold less.

American Idiot, Hot Fuss, and X&Y all went platinum at least 3 times to Contraband's 2.... RHCP may have sold half of Contraband in the U.S., but it was a double CD which still counts as 2Xplatinum and they moved more than VR in worldwide sales.

The first week sales are obviously disappointing, so the hope is for a 2nd or 3rd single to catch fire. ?SBQM was really a terrible choice...

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Tool sold 564,000 the first week in May 2006! People talk out of their ass

Well Libertad is shaping up to be a flop, unless word of mouth and/or The Last Fight save its ass this album won't even sniff platinum and will have to settle for just north of gold

It's understandable, people want their favorite bands to do well.  So they will try to rationalize this disappointing debut.  But 100,000 is pretty bad for a band with this kind of starpower, especially when their debut album sold so much more just a few years back.  You can bet that the label is very disappointed and I doubt VR are particularly happy with it either

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Also why are itunes sales and internet sales so confidential.  They need to post these numbers as well.

I don't know what the current iTunes/internet sales are but if this gives you any idea, last year's #1 selling digital album sold approximately 198,000 copies

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=9f8be72f-7185-4429-85d5-c96e6537244d

On a semi-related note, that shitty Hinder album went nearly double platinum 

[Smoking Guns]

it's understandable.. when contraband came out people thought that VR would be a great band...

They are a great band! Why are people like you visiting the Velvet Revolver section if you don't even like their music?

Yeah, do you get any pleaseure in bashing VR?

It's not my favorite band in the world but there's nothing wrong with them, so leave them alone. I have to listen to the record yet, only heard a couple of songs, but I hope it's not a bad record.

Besides, in the music industry, nowadays the image is what matters, not the music per se, so people are looking for bands they can relate too visually not musically, which isreally sad.

maybe you guys should try the velvet revolver forum if you want a bunch of VR fans.? ?You are on a GnR board and not every GnR fan is gonna like VR.? ?deal with it.

Jim Bob, when did Jarmo ask you to be his personal spokesman.  You are not Jarmo, stop using his lines. 

[Smoking Guns]

Tool sold 564,000 the first week in May 2006! People talk out of their ass

Well Libertad is shaping up to be a flop, unless word of mouth and/or The Last Fight save its ass this album won't even sniff platinum and will have to settle for just north of gold

It's understandable, people want their favorite bands to do well.? So they will try to rationalize this disappointing debut.? But 100,000 is pretty bad for a band with this kind of starpower, especially when their debut album sold so much more just a few years back.? You can bet that the label is very disappointed and I doubt VR are particularly happy with it either

Appetite and Hysteria didn't sell shit until SCOM and Pour Some Sugar on me came out.  The Last Fight is a break through track that will be on top 40 stations as well as rock, like Fall to Pieces did.  I think the album will pick up as the tour goes on.

[freedom78]

Jim Bob, when did Jarmo ask you to be his personal spokesman.  You are not Jarmo, stop using his lines. 

You didn't get that memo? 

[Smoking Guns]

Jim Bob, when did Jarmo ask you to be his personal spokesman.? You are not Jarmo, stop using his lines.?

You didn't get that memo??

Fuck, I must had been temporarily banned at that time!

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

Also why are itunes sales and internet sales so confidential.  They need to post these numbers as well.

I don't know what the current iTunes/internet sales are but if this gives you any idea, last year's #1 selling digital album sold approximately 198,000 copies

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=9f8be72f-7185-4429-85d5-c96e6537244d

On a semi-related note, that shitty Hinder album went nearly double platinum 

Yeah dude, that's another favorite of soccer moms.

I was going to bring up BJ, but D beat me to it.

I just don't know, hopefully for you guys, the next single will help out with sales.

I have a question though:  Why isn't there any promotion for this album?  I see Pumpkins' ads on bus benches, I see commercials on TV for other bands.  What gives?

[Smoking Guns]

Also why are itunes sales and internet sales so confidential.? They need to post these numbers as well.

I don't know what the current iTunes/internet sales are but if this gives you any idea, last year's #1 selling digital album sold approximately 198,000 copies

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=9f8be72f-7185-4429-85d5-c96e6537244d

On a semi-related note, that shitty Hinder album went nearly double platinum?

Yeah dude, that's another favorite of soccer moms.

I was going to bring up BJ, but D beat me to it.

I just don't know, hopefully for you guys, the next single will help out with sales.

I have a question though:? Why isn't there any promotion for this album?? I see Pumpkins' ads on bus benches, I see commercials on TV for other bands.? What gives?

They assumed everyone knew the album was coming out!

[killingvector]

Tool sold 564,000 the first week in May 2006! People talk out of their ass

Well Libertad is shaping up to be a flop, unless word of mouth and/or The Last Fight save its ass this album won't even sniff platinum and will have to settle for just north of gold

It's understandable, people want their favorite bands to do well.  So they will try to rationalize this disappointing debut.  But 100,000 is pretty bad for a band with this kind of starpower, especially when their debut album sold so much more just a few years back.  You can bet that the label is very disappointed and I doubt VR are particularly happy with it either

Appetite and Hysteria didn't sell shit until SCOM and Pour Some Sugar on me came out.  The Last Fight is a break through track that will be on top 40 stations as well as rock, like Fall to Pieces did.  I think the album will pick up as the tour goes on.

I don't think the Last Fight compares to those songs; there could be a pop from a decent single but not the type of explosion that AFD had simply because AFD was bolstered by not just one but several excellent singles. I don't think Libertad has that depth.

[freedom78]

Tool sold 564,000 the first week in May 2006! People talk out of their ass

Well Libertad is shaping up to be a flop, unless word of mouth and/or The Last Fight save its ass this album won't even sniff platinum and will have to settle for just north of gold

It's understandable, people want their favorite bands to do well.  So they will try to rationalize this disappointing debut.  But 100,000 is pretty bad for a band with this kind of starpower, especially when their debut album sold so much more just a few years back.  You can bet that the label is very disappointed and I doubt VR are particularly happy with it either

Appetite and Hysteria didn't sell shit until SCOM and Pour Some Sugar on me came out.  The Last Fight is a break through track that will be on top 40 stations as well as rock, like Fall to Pieces did.  I think the album will pick up as the tour goes on.

I don't think the Last Fight compares to those songs; there could be a pop from a decent single but not the type of explosion that AFD had simply because AFD was bolstered by not just one but several excellent singles. I don't think Libertad has that depth.

Wow...that's generous.  "I don't think Libertad has that depth" is like saying "I don't think this Swisher is as good a cigar as the ones that Castro smokes."   

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Tool sold 564,000 the first week in May 2006! People talk out of their ass

Well Libertad is shaping up to be a flop, unless word of mouth and/or The Last Fight save its ass this album won't even sniff platinum and will have to settle for just north of gold

It's understandable, people want their favorite bands to do well.  So they will try to rationalize this disappointing debut.  But 100,000 is pretty bad for a band with this kind of starpower, especially when their debut album sold so much more just a few years back.  You can bet that the label is very disappointed and I doubt VR are particularly happy with it either

Appetite and Hysteria didn't sell shit until SCOM and Pour Some Sugar on me came out.  The Last Fight is a break through track that will be on top 40 stations as well as rock, like Fall to Pieces did.  I think the album will pick up as the tour goes on.

AFD is a totally different comparison though, because it was a debut album for a band of unknown musicians

Bringing up Hysteria's a good point in that it looked like it would fail to live up to the previous album's success.  However, there are a few big differences.   One is that Def Leppard wasn't very well known in the US prior to Pyromania, the guys in VR were true rock stars and veterans before Velvet Revolver even existed.  Def Leppard had one hit album and then kind of faded away from public consciousness by the time they came back with Hysteria.  Compared to Velvet Revolver, whose members have been involved in releasing 10 seperate albums that went at least platinum from 1987-2004, 11 if you include GnR Greatest Hits.

Def Leppard didn't have the kind of built in fanbase that VR did to begin with.  The people buying Def Leppard's album bought them because they liked Def Leppard's songs.  A lot of the people who bought VR's first album only bought it because they liked GnR and/or STP.  With Libertad, they can no longer depend on a large number of people buying their albums just because of the bands they used to be in.  The people who buy it are going to have to buy it because they like Velvet Revolver.  Now they have to "earn it" as their own entity, so to speak.  They can't just sell based on their past, which was a huge reason for the success of their first album

Hysteria also had hit single after hit single after hit single to carry it forward.  I don't see anything on Libertad aside from The Last Fight that's going to be a big followup single

[faldor]

Tool sold 564,000 the first week in May 2006! People talk out of their ass

Well Libertad is shaping up to be a flop, unless word of mouth and/or The Last Fight save its ass this album won't even sniff platinum and will have to settle for just north of gold

It's understandable, people want their favorite bands to do well.? So they will try to rationalize this disappointing debut.? But 100,000 is pretty bad for a band with this kind of starpower, especially when their debut album sold so much more just a few years back.? You can bet that the label is very disappointed and I doubt VR are particularly happy with it either

Appetite and Hysteria didn't sell shit until SCOM and Pour Some Sugar on me came out.? The Last Fight is a break through track that will be on top 40 stations as well as rock, like Fall to Pieces did.? I think the album will pick up as the tour goes on.

I don't think the Last Fight compares to those songs; there could be a pop from a decent single but not the type of explosion that AFD had simply because AFD was bolstered by not just one but several excellent singles. I don't think Libertad has that depth.

It's also not 1987 anymore. ?Back then nobody would have any way to hear those songs. ?"The Last Fight" is easily accessible. ?Just about EVERYONE is on myspace these days and that song is on VR's page. ?Not saying everyone would go there to listen to it, but it can't really be compared to two HUGE songs from 20 years ago. ?Times have changed, if people like "The Last Fight" enough they'll find a way to download that song, and that song alone.

[CheapJon]

these? 2 guys below are just so fucking?

it's understandable.. when contraband came out people thought that VR would be a great band...

They are a great band! Why are people like you visiting the Velvet Revolver section if you don't even like their music?

I like the band it's a good band, NOT a great band, i have their records and have seen them live?

thank you very much for telling me about people like me you must mean guys from sweden huh?

Yeah, do you get any pleaseure in bashing VR?

It's not my favorite band in the world but there's nothing wrong with them, so leave them alone.

Yeah ok i've never bashed VR..
it's not my favourite band in the world but ok.. leave them alone? I won't ever leave them alone.. but have i hurt their feelings and you are either their big sister or their spokesperson since you're telling me that?

and yeah you 2 guys can always start to read my posts in this section, if you are going to tell me about people like me please have your facts straight i don't wanna know untrue stuff about me

[Smoking Guns]

Tool sold 564,000 the first week in May 2006! People talk out of their ass

Well Libertad is shaping up to be a flop, unless word of mouth and/or The Last Fight save its ass this album won't even sniff platinum and will have to settle for just north of gold

It's understandable, people want their favorite bands to do well.? So they will try to rationalize this disappointing debut.? But 100,000 is pretty bad for a band with this kind of starpower, especially when their debut album sold so much more just a few years back.? You can bet that the label is very disappointed and I doubt VR are particularly happy with it either

Appetite and Hysteria didn't sell shit until SCOM and Pour Some Sugar on me came out.? The Last Fight is a break through track that will be on top 40 stations as well as rock, like Fall to Pieces did.? I think the album will pick up as the tour goes on.

AFD is a totally different comparison though, because it was a debut album for a band of unknown musicians

Bringing up Hysteria's a good point in that it looked like it would fail to live up to the previous album's success.? However, there are a few big differences.? ?One is that Def Leppard wasn't very well known in the US prior to Pyromania, the guys in VR were true rock stars and veterans before Velvet Revolver even existed.? Def Leppard had one hit album and then kind of faded away from public consciousness by the time they came back with Hysteria.? Compared to Velvet Revolver, whose members have been involved in releasing 10 seperate albums that went at least platinum from 1987-2004, 11 if you include GnR Greatest Hits.

Def Leppard didn't have the kind of built in fanbase that VR did to begin with.? The people buying Def Leppard's album bought them because they liked Def Leppard's songs.? A lot of the people who bought VR's first album only bought it because they liked GnR and/or STP.? With Libertad, they can no longer depend on a large number of people buying their albums just because of the bands they used to be in.? The people who buy it are going to have to buy it because they like Velvet Revolver.? Now they have to "earn it" as their own entity, so to speak.? They can't just sell based on their past, which was a huge reason for the success of their first album

Hysteria also had hit single after hit single after hit single to carry it forward.? I don't see anything on Libertad aside from The Last Fight that's going to be a big followup single

My point was, anything can happen if the right single catches on.  A lot of times, its a song nobody expects.  Like Pour Some Sugar on me was.

[D]

The Last fight isnt a great single either.

I think its one of the weaker songs on the album to  be honest.

Its like all thats missing is church choir to do the hums etc



Messages needs to be emergency released now and re included on the album or something.

[D]

Tool sold 564,000 the first week in May 2006! People talk out of their ass

Well Libertad is shaping up to be a flop, unless word of mouth and/or The Last Fight save its ass this album won't even sniff platinum and will have to settle for just north of gold

It's understandable, people want their favorite bands to do well.? So they will try to rationalize this disappointing debut.? But 100,000 is pretty bad for a band with this kind of starpower, especially when their debut album sold so much more just a few years back.? You can bet that the label is very disappointed and I doubt VR are particularly happy with it either

Appetite and Hysteria didn't sell shit until SCOM and Pour Some Sugar on me came out.? The Last Fight is a break through track that will be on top 40 stations as well as rock, like Fall to Pieces did.? I think the album will pick up as the tour goes on.

AFD is a totally different comparison though, because it was a debut album for a band of unknown musicians

Bringing up Hysteria's a good point in that it looked like it would fail to live up to the previous album's success.? However, there are a few big differences.? ?One is that Def Leppard wasn't very well known in the US prior to Pyromania, the guys in VR were true rock stars and veterans before Velvet Revolver even existed.? Def Leppard had one hit album and then kind of faded away from public consciousness by the time they came back with Hysteria.? Compared to Velvet Revolver, whose members have been involved in releasing 10 seperate albums that went at least platinum from 1987-2004, 11 if you include GnR Greatest Hits.

Def Leppard didn't have the kind of built in fanbase that VR did to begin with.? The people buying Def Leppard's album bought them because they liked Def Leppard's songs.? A lot of the people who bought VR's first album only bought it because they liked GnR and/or STP.? With Libertad, they can no longer depend on a large number of people buying their albums just because of the bands they used to be in.? The people who buy it are going to have to buy it because they like Velvet Revolver.? Now they have to "earn it" as their own entity, so to speak.? They can't just sell based on their past, which was a huge reason for the success of their first album

Hysteria also had hit single after hit single after hit single to carry it forward.? I don't see anything on Libertad aside from The Last Fight that's going to be a big followup single

My point was, anything can happen if the right single catches on.? A lot of times, its a song nobody expects.? Like Pour Some Sugar on me was.

Yeah dude but there arent any Pour SOme sugar on me or SCOM's on this record.

[Smoking Guns]

I think it will just be a critically acclaimed album like Exile on Main St. was.  No big hits, just a lot of good tunes.  I am happy with it.  The band is happy with it.  Its okay.  As the tour progresses, album sales will pick up.

[chineseblues]

I think it will just be a critically acclaimed album like Exile on Main St. was.  No big hits, just a lot of good tunes.  I am happy with it.  The band is happy with it.  Its okay.  As the tour progresses, album sales will pick up.

Please for the love of god, don't compare that pile of crap to Exile on Main St. Libertad is Nowhere as near as good of an album as anything the Stones have released

[estebanf]

Well, there's nothing to be surprised... ''Libertad'' is a very weak album and VR has not the ''return of the legends'' factor anymore. People already knows that VR is not that ''rock n' roll salvation'' shit they claimed to be in the past.