Pat Tillman, U.S. poster boy, assassinated by fellow soldiers.

[Juanjay]

Your study involved normal people whom have never undergone military training. .

from studying psychology at university i can tell you that soldiers are more conditioned to be submissive than normal people. i'm not saying this guy was murdered intentionally, but to say that soldiers don't follow orders that are illegal/immoral is just plain wrong.

well being a vet and being SOF I can say we were also trained to NOT follow illegal and immoral orders. some soldiers do follow those orders, no one said they don't. but its just like society, you have scum bags in all walks of life.

the only people that know what happened to Tillman were there when it happened. maybe he was murdered, maybe he wasn't. but if it was an order to kill him that wouldn't fly. the shit storm would be a lot worse than it is now. who's to stop other people in the unit from talking? what next take out the whole group? but people don't think about those things because any SOF unit is obviously a group of brainwashed murders.... 

[DevilHatesALoser]

I wasn't claiming that it made you less likely to follow orders, in fact it would be the exact opposite.  But part of that training is to identify right or wrong, legal and illegal.  Just because a soldier doesn't like or agree with an order doesn't mean he doesn't have to obey it.  But part of the training is to disobey illegal and immoral orders.

In the Army, there exists a universal moral compass.  Not everyone agrees with it, but they understand it and abide by it.  That univiersal compass doesn't exist in the outside world and none of that studies test subjects would necessarily abide by it.

[pilferk]

if you are one of those americans who think your country is the best there is and your country is perfect i won't bother discussing anymore.
i'll say only one thing: orders are orders no matter which country you're in and there will always be soldiers to obey blindly and execute them no matter what those orders are.

I don't think America is better than every country or that our soldiers are the most disciplined.  In fact that is part of my point, US Soldiers are no where near as obedient as soldiers in many other, poorer countries (which I think is a good thing).  US Soldiers would never committ the acts you decribed against their own people.  I'm sorry if you don't want to hear it, but the US military is far better trained and equipped than your own; that is the luxury of our defense budget.  US Soldiers follow(99% of the time) the orders that are right.  Now I'm not saying that what is right is always in accordance with the law (and that works both ways), but as a group they certainly don't follow orders that are openly acknowledged as heinous crimes.  No soldier would follow an order to rape and murder a woman.  Do these events happen, unfortunately yes, but they are few and far between and never condoned or tolerated by the military.  Just look at those recent American soldiers caught or the Marines last year. 

Maybe you get offended by this, but the US Army is alot more respectful and considerate than the Armies of 3rd world countries.

Wow...that's just...naive'.

Edit: Let me clarify.  I think, mostly, you' re right.   You probably couldn't order some rank and file soldier to put 3 bullets in the guys head (though that may have happend, just not on orders). Given what's happened in previous ground campaigns (like Viet Nam) though.....I'd not be 100% confident even in that.

I also think that any thought that there are not specific wetworkers out there, who will pretty much do whatever they're asked,  is naive.  Tillman was a high profile soldier,  before he died. The math isn't so hard to do.  I'm not saying it definitely WAS an ordered assasination. None of us were there, so we don't know.  But I don't think you can discount it just because of your high regard for MOST of the "military moral compass".

As you said...there are "scumbags" in all walks of life.  What makes you so sure the CO who gave the order didn't "know" of a specific "scumbag" (or "scumbags") and send him/them out to accomplish the objective?

[fuckin crazy]

Wet jobs have been illegal in the US since the 60s. The DCI gets other orgs. to do his dirty work.