Is the old GNR lineup on the new RS cover?

[$$$$]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

[RageNirvanaNIN]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

It wasn't free will when a person in the band had a whole agenda and different idea for the band. I mean what where they supposed to do?

[droezle]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

It wasn't free will when a person in the band had a whole agenda and different idea for the band. I mean what where they supposed to do?

They where supposed to record an album but the ego's of some members did collide.

[jarmo]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

It wasn't free will when a person in the band had a whole agenda and different idea for the band. I mean what where they supposed to do?

On one hand you keep asking for proof and on the other hand you keep repeating what ex-members have said in the press.

So it seems like you're not happy to hear the other side of the argument, but take anything the former members say as fact.


Axl himself said he wanted to make an AFD-type record.




/jarmo

[$$$$]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

It wasn't free will when a person in the band had a whole agenda and different idea for the band. I mean what where they supposed to do?

They should have gone along with it. If I remember correctly they didn't want to do Sweet Child O' Mine, Estranged, November Rain etc, and they turned out to be amazing. They even admitted afterwards that they were glad they listened to Axl in regards to those songs.

[RageNirvanaNIN]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

It wasn't free will when a person in the band had a whole agenda and different idea for the band. I mean what where they supposed to do?

On one hand you keep asking for proof and on the other hand you keep repeating what ex-members have said in the press.

So it seems like you're not happy to hear the other side of the argument, but take anything the former members say as fact.


Axl himself said he wanted to make an AFD-type record.




/jarmo

Axl never said that. Im glad to hear both sides of the argument , and sorry I have a hard time trusting axl's words. Duff seems like he'd know the most without being biased , Slash had too much of ego. Better sounds nothing like AFD nor Madagascar or anything else I've heard.

[RageNirvanaNIN]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

It wasn't free will when a person in the band had a whole agenda and different idea for the band. I mean what where they supposed to do?

They should have gone along with it. If I remember correctly they didn't want to do Sweet Child O' Mine, Estranged, November Rain etc, and they turned out to be amazing. They even admitted afterwards that they were glad they listened to Axl in regards to those songs.

No slash didn't like playing SCOM , the rest I don't know what you're talking about.

[droezle]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

It wasn't free will when a person in the band had a whole agenda and different idea for the band. I mean what where they supposed to do?

On one hand you keep asking for proof and on the other hand you keep repeating what ex-members have said in the press.

So it seems like you're not happy to hear the other side of the argument, but take anything the former members say as fact.


Axl himself said he wanted to make an AFD-type record.




/jarmo

Strange. I've readed in an interview years ago that Axl wanted to make an electro rock (Nine inch Nails,..) album and that anyone else (and especialy Slash) in the band was against this.

[jarmo]

Axl never said that.

You think I'm making it up?

Here you go:

---

Rose: I originally wanted to make a traditional record or try to get back to an "Appetite [For Destruction]" thing or something, because that would have been a lot easier for me to do. I was involved in a lot of lawsuits for Guns N' Roses and in my own personal life, so I didn't have a lot of time to try and develop a new style or re-invent myself, so I was hoping to write a traditional thing, but I was not really allowed to do that.

Loder: What prevented you from doing, like, a traditional rock record?

Rose: Slash.

---

Axl Rose - A conversation with Kurt Loder
MTV US November 8th 1999



/jarmo

[RageNirvanaNIN]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

It wasn't free will when a person in the band had a whole agenda and different idea for the band. I mean what where they supposed to do?

On one hand you keep asking for proof and on the other hand you keep repeating what ex-members have said in the press.

So it seems like you're not happy to hear the other side of the argument, but take anything the former members say as fact.


Axl himself said he wanted to make an AFD-type record.




/jarmo

I dont buy that for a second , Axl didn't want to make a AFD sounding record.

[droezle]

Axl never said that.

You think I'm making it up?

Here you go:

---

Rose: I originally wanted to make a traditional record or try to get back to an "Appetite [For Destruction]" thing or something, because that would have been a lot easier for me to do. I was involved in a lot of lawsuits for Guns N' Roses and in my own personal life, so I didn't have a lot of time to try and develop a new style or re-invent myself, so I was hoping to write a traditional thing, but I was not really allowed to do that.

Loder: What prevented you from doing, like, a traditional rock record?

Rose: Slash.

---

Axl Rose - A conversation with Kurt Loder
MTV US November 8th 1999



/jarmo

That doesn't make sense. Why would Slash be against recording an traditional rock album?

[chineseblues]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

It wasn't free will when a person in the band had a whole agenda and different idea for the band. I mean what where they supposed to do?

On one hand you keep asking for proof and on the other hand you keep repeating what ex-members have said in the press.

So it seems like you're not happy to hear the other side of the argument, but take anything the former members say as fact.


Axl himself said he wanted to make an AFD-type record.




/jarmo

I dont buy that for a second , Axl didn't want to make a AFD sounding record.

How the hell do you know that? Axl says he wanted to make an AFD type record and you call him a liar? What the fuck?

[droezle]

The thing to remember is that the others left on their own free will. I would be pissed if Axl had kicked them all out then continued with the GNR name but he didn't...

It wasn't free will when a person in the band had a whole agenda and different idea for the band. I mean what where they supposed to do?

On one hand you keep asking for proof and on the other hand you keep repeating what ex-members have said in the press.

So it seems like you're not happy to hear the other side of the argument, but take anything the former members say as fact.


Axl himself said he wanted to make an AFD-type record.




/jarmo

I dont buy that for a second , Axl didn't want to make a AFD sounding record.

How the hell do you know that? Axl says he wanted to make an AFD type record and you call him a liar? What the fuck?

  *sarcasm*

[RageNirvanaNIN]

Axl never said that.

You think I'm making it up?

Here you go:

---

Rose: I originally wanted to make a traditional record or try to get back to an "Appetite [For Destruction]" thing or something, because that would have been a lot easier for me to do. I was involved in a lot of lawsuits for Guns N' Roses and in my own personal life, so I didn't have a lot of time to try and develop a new style or re-invent myself, so I was hoping to write a traditional thing, but I was not really allowed to do that.

Loder: What prevented you from doing, like, a traditional rock record?

Rose: Slash.

---

Axl Rose - A conversation with Kurt Loder
MTV US November 8th 1999



/jarmo

That doesn't make sense. Why would Slash be against recording an traditional rock album?

Exactly this is from Slash's fan site

While SLASH chose to remain quiet except for the wish to work with Axl again if they could settle their disagreements, Axl declared that he could not work with SLASH because Slash wanted to produce another rock album while he, Rose, wanted a new direction for the band.

Slash says he rose wanted a new directions

How the hell do you know that? Slash says he wanted to make an new type record and you call him a liar? What the fuck?

[jarmo]

I dont buy that for a second , Axl didn't want to make a AFD sounding record.

You claimed Axl never said that, I showed you the proof.

You were proven wrong and instead of just admitting it, you disregard it while believing what the guys who quit say.



No use in discussing this with you then.

Facts mean nothing to you.


Here's more for you to think about:


On the subject of Slash Axl commented:

?Originally I intended to do more of an Appetite style recording but with the changes in the band's dynamics and the band's musical influences at the time it didn't appear realistic. So, I opted for what I thought would or should've made the band and especially Slash very happy. Basically I was interested in making a Slash record with some contributions from everybody else. There?d still be some chemistry and some synergy happening and whatever dynamics anyone else could bring in to the project. It seemed to me that anytime we got close to something that would work, it wasn?t out of opinion that Slash would go ?hey it doesn?t work?, but it was nixed simply because it did work. In other words, ?Whoa, wait a minute. That actually might be successful, we can?t do that.? People like to call me paranoid. It has nothing to do with paranoia; it was to do with reality. If the material were strong enough for me to sink my teeth in then I would still be in a certain public position in regards to Guns, we?d have possibly still held a certain popularity with the public as I have previously been fortunate enough to have had. Slash and his ex-wife Renee and his security guy and closest confidant at the time, Ronnie Stalnacker could not live with that. It?s not something Slash could live with. Slash chose not to be here over control issues. Now people can say ?Well Axl, you?re after control of the band too.? You?re damn skippy. That?s right. I am the one held responsible since day one. When it comes to Guns n? Roses, I may not always get everything right but I do have a good idea about getting things from point A to point B and knowing what the job is that we have to do. Within those parameters, I give everyone as much freedom to do what they want something Slash has verified in several interviews. Had Slash stepped up and written what we captured glimpses of, it would have created an environment that was beyond Slash?s ability to control. He did not want to do that or put himself through the rigors of taking the band to that level even if he was capable of writing it. Was he capable of doing it? Absolutely 100%. I think that some of the riffs that were coming out of him were the meanest, most contemporary, bluesiest, rocking thing since Aerosmith?s Rocks. The 2000 version of Aerosmith Rocks or the 1996 Aerosmith Rocks by the time we would have put it out. I don?t know if I would have wanted to even do a world tour at the time but I wanted to put that record together and could we have done it? Yes. It?s not something I would want to approach (without Slash) because at the time there was only one person that I knew who could do certain riffs that way. We still needed the collaboration of the band as a whole to write the best songs. Since none of that happened, that?s the reason why that material got scrapped. If one were to say well then why not do it now there are several reasons.1) My band, too much time, too much effort and hardship. Confidence in our material. Excitement in watching this grow and being a part of the whole experience. 2) Money. You get what you play for and nothing?s free. Can you cover the cost of this venture and its financial potential that I am just supposed to walk away from and for what? To where? I do not believe in any true effort or potential regarding most of my past relationship from the other party or parties, creatively or emotionally. Without that the money from a reunion doesn't mean much and though I'm sure the alumni is up for it for me it would be as or more lacking than it was during our attempts to work together previously. As a friend and former friend of Slash said to me in regards to working with Slash, "you can only do so many pull ups." This is my shot and you can root for me to fail all you want, but there is simply way too much put into this to cater to someone else's selfish needs and destroy peoples dreams I truly care about including my own. Not too mention that though I've fought what feels like the heart of the nature of this entire industry, my own people would probably eat me alive if I opted for a lesser course. 3) Slash has lied about nearly everything and anything to nearly everyone and anyone. It's who he is. It's what he does. Duff's support for the man though understandable in one sense in regard to his circumstances, is inexcusable, and furthers my distance from the two of them. For me Matt doesn't figure into the equation and for as much as I was a friend to him he was incapable of reciprocating and life is much better without such an obvious albatross. Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking anything away from the alumni in regard to their prior performances on record or touring to support the albums. I know how I was treated and more importantly I know how they treated others during both of these things, it's not a way anyone should be forced or even asked to work. And for the record I'm referring to Slash and Matt in regards to their actions and behavior, Duff played more of a supporting role (for reasons I've never understood). For the fans to attempt to condemn me to relationships even only professional with any of these men is a prison sentence and something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I'd say my parole is nearly over. I'm practically a free man and if you don't like it you'll have plenty of time to get used to the idea.?

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=82

That doesn't make sense. Why would Slash be against recording an traditional rock album?

Why was he against recording certain songs that turned out to be classic GN'R songs?

Does that make sense?




/jarmo

[RageNirvanaNIN]

I dont buy that for a second , Axl didn't want to make a AFD sounding record.

You claimed Axl never said that, I showed you the proof.

You were proven wrong and instead of just admitting it, you disregard it while believing what the guys who quit say.



No use in discussing this with you then.

Facts mean nothing to you.


Here's more for you to think about:


On the subject of Slash Axl commented:

?Originally I intended to do more of an Appetite style recording but with the changes in the band's dynamics and the band's musical influences at the time it didn't appear realistic. So, I opted for what I thought would or should've made the band and especially Slash very happy. Basically I was interested in making a Slash record with some contributions from everybody else. There?d still be some chemistry and some synergy happening and whatever dynamics anyone else could bring in to the project. It seemed to me that anytime we got close to something that would work, it wasn?t out of opinion that Slash would go ?hey it doesn?t work?, but it was nixed simply because it did work. In other words, ?Whoa, wait a minute. That actually might be successful, we can?t do that.? People like to call me paranoid. It has nothing to do with paranoia; it was to do with reality. If the material were strong enough for me to sink my teeth in then I would still be in a certain public position in regards to Guns, we?d have possibly still held a certain popularity with the public as I have previously been fortunate enough to have had. Slash and his ex-wife Renee and his security guy and closest confidant at the time, Ronnie Stalnacker could not live with that. It?s not something Slash could live with. Slash chose not to be here over control issues. Now people can say ?Well Axl, you?re after control of the band too.? You?re damn skippy. That?s right. I am the one held responsible since day one. When it comes to Guns n? Roses, I may not always get everything right but I do have a good idea about getting things from point A to point B and knowing what the job is that we have to do. Within those parameters, I give everyone as much freedom to do what they want something Slash has verified in several interviews. Had Slash stepped up and written what we captured glimpses of, it would have created an environment that was beyond Slash?s ability to control. He did not want to do that or put himself through the rigors of taking the band to that level even if he was capable of writing it. Was he capable of doing it? Absolutely 100%. I think that some of the riffs that were coming out of him were the meanest, most contemporary, bluesiest, rocking thing since Aerosmith?s Rocks. The 2000 version of Aerosmith Rocks or the 1996 Aerosmith Rocks by the time we would have put it out. I don?t know if I would have wanted to even do a world tour at the time but I wanted to put that record together and could we have done it? Yes. It?s not something I would want to approach (without Slash) because at the time there was only one person that I knew who could do certain riffs that way. We still needed the collaboration of the band as a whole to write the best songs. Since none of that happened, that?s the reason why that material got scrapped. If one were to say well then why not do it now there are several reasons.1) My band, too much time, too much effort and hardship. Confidence in our material. Excitement in watching this grow and being a part of the whole experience. 2) Money. You get what you play for and nothing?s free. Can you cover the cost of this venture and its financial potential that I am just supposed to walk away from and for what? To where? I do not believe in any true effort or potential regarding most of my past relationship from the other party or parties, creatively or emotionally. Without that the money from a reunion doesn't mean much and though I'm sure the alumni is up for it for me it would be as or more lacking than it was during our attempts to work together previously. As a friend and former friend of Slash said to me in regards to working with Slash, "you can only do so many pull ups." This is my shot and you can root for me to fail all you want, but there is simply way too much put into this to cater to someone else's selfish needs and destroy peoples dreams I truly care about including my own. Not too mention that though I've fought what feels like the heart of the nature of this entire industry, my own people would probably eat me alive if I opted for a lesser course. 3) Slash has lied about nearly everything and anything to nearly everyone and anyone. It's who he is. It's what he does. Duff's support for the man though understandable in one sense in regard to his circumstances, is inexcusable, and furthers my distance from the two of them. For me Matt doesn't figure into the equation and for as much as I was a friend to him he was incapable of reciprocating and life is much better without such an obvious albatross. Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking anything away from the alumni in regard to their prior performances on record or touring to support the albums. I know how I was treated and more importantly I know how they treated others during both of these things, it's not a way anyone should be forced or even asked to work. And for the record I'm referring to Slash and Matt in regards to their actions and behavior, Duff played more of a supporting role (for reasons I've never understood). For the fans to attempt to condemn me to relationships even only professional with any of these men is a prison sentence and something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I'd say my parole is nearly over. I'm practically a free man and if you don't like it you'll have plenty of time to get used to the idea.?

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=82

That doesn't make sense. Why would Slash be against recording an traditional rock album?

Why was he against recording certain songs that turned out to be classic GN'R songs?

Does that make sense?




/jarmo

How come though when AXL says something you hold it to be 100% true but ex members MUST be lying is my point? I see alright he said it yea oh mighty jarmo all wise ,  you said I hold everything ex members say to be true , sounds like you trust in all axl's words.

[jarmo]

How come though when AXL says something you hold it to be 100% true but ex members MUST be lying is my point? I see alright he said it yea oh mighty jarmo all wise ,  you said I hold everything ex members say to be true , sounds like you trust in all axl's words.

You say Axl never said that, I show you two different instances where he did and what do you do? You try to insult me.

Hahaha!

You're so classy. 


I'll tell you something. The way I work is that if somebody sticks to his/her story, I tend to believe that person more than somebody who's story changes every other week/month/year.... Hey, that's just me.

Maybe you think that if two or three former members/employees/friends/ex-wives say something about you, it must be true!



/jarmo

[RageNirvanaNIN]

How come though when AXL says something you hold it to be 100% true but ex members MUST be lying is my point? I see alright he said it yea oh mighty jarmo all wise ,  you said I hold everything ex members say to be true , sounds like you trust in all axl's words.

You say Axl never said that, I show you two different instances where he did and what do you do? You try to insult me.

Hahaha!

You're so classy. 


I'll tell you something. The way I work is that if somebody sticks to his/her story, I tend to believe that person more than somebody who's story changes every other week/month/year.... Hey, that's just me.

Maybe you think that if two or three former members/employees/friends/ex-wives say something about you, it must be true!



/jarmo

When have the other members changed their story? Except maybe Steven. Axl promised a tour in 02 , that failed ,Axl promised CD that still isn't out.  You make Axl out to be the most honest to godness person ever.

[chineseblues]

A lot of people believe Axl because his story on things have remained pretty damn consistent over the years, unlike the other guys. Hell slash can't even make up his mind as to whether he went to Axl's house in 2005 or not. One day it's "no I didn't", the next day its "yes but only to talk about a lawsuit," and then the next its "yes but only to apologize about stuff I've said in the past." How can you believe someone who can't even get something that simple straight?

[RageNirvanaNIN]

A lot of people believe Axl because his story on things have remained pretty damn consistent over the years, unlike the other guys. Hell slash can't even make up his mind as to whether he went to Axl's house in 2005 or not. One day it's "no I didn't", the next day its "yes but only to talk about a lawsuit," and then the next its "yes but only to apologize about stuff I've said in the past." How can you believe someone who can't even get something that simple straight?

He said No I didn't go to Axl's house crying and begging him to be back in GNR. Axl still has no music to account for unlike all the ex members , thats all I was saying. You hold him in such a high regard but he isn't that great.